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Post by norseman on Oct 21, 2019 14:35:33 GMT 10
For many of them, joining the Police "Force" was Plan B with their early retirement strategy being a Medical Discharge and a taxpayer funded payout!
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Post by frostbite on Oct 21, 2019 15:35:01 GMT 10
I hope that girl and her legal team hold the offending officer legally and financially accountable.
Most people dont know that citizens can launch private criminal prosecutions in NSW.
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Post by Beno on Oct 21, 2019 15:59:12 GMT 10
Yep the civil suits are the money makers and where people can at least feel like they are getting justice.......but at a high initial price and also at the cost of your wits.
Its funny that we have these crazy authoritarian laws and no one blinks an eye when they come in (most recently the currency bill) but all it takes to be scrutinised is a relatively small thing, in this case a strip search. It’s been said many times, no more new laws until we can effectively deal and use the old ones.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 21, 2019 17:00:46 GMT 10
I'm told you can bring a criminal charge against an individual police officer, without going through the police or DPP, but for a civil case you can only sue the police department, not individual officers. A mate of mine is looking at charging a police licencing sgt with perjury, because the audio recording he has of him in not what the officer testified under oath.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 22, 2019 11:04:40 GMT 10
These kinds of incidents performed by 'bad apples' cause harm at a few levels.
The individual on the receiving end gets harmed. The public get harmed as it suffers a general loss of faith in the integrity of the police organisation. The other 'good apples' in the organisation suffer reputation damage 'by association'.
I hope in this case is looked at in wide-angle by a judge to determine if there is an issue with training/policy. It can be easy to scape-goat an individual in these situations.
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Post by milspec on Oct 22, 2019 11:21:11 GMT 10
Is that a fact? I know a few good cops, a few dead cops and a few broken cops. Pretty sure none of them joined for an early retirement strategy. Generalisations like this don't really do anyone any good, including the reputation of this forum. As the original post implies, there are also some bad cops... just as most lines of employment have some bad people.
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Post by norseman on Oct 22, 2019 13:42:48 GMT 10
milspec,
Sorry if you are serving cop or an ex cop or your partner is! However I really do resent the fact that my tax dollars are paying the wages of many cops who have quite simply "lost the plot" and that includes the copper mentioned in the article! When the Police start believing their own "bigger and better than mere civilians" bullshit then we are in big trouble!
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Post by norseman on Oct 22, 2019 15:46:30 GMT 10
So putting my money where my mouth is, here is an example:- How many forum members have heard this from a serving Police Officer "Well if you weren't being such a smart arse I wouldn't have booked you!" Essentially that simple statement in it's own right is a form of Police Corruption!
My point is this you are either breaking the law or you are not! NO IF'S NO BUT'S !!
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Post by WolfDen on Oct 22, 2019 15:49:09 GMT 10
Disagree. Most of the time it's the person just being a smart ass.
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Post by norseman on Oct 22, 2019 16:15:00 GMT 10
Disagree. Most of the time it's the person just being a smart ass. Mate, That's all fine too but either way it should not influence how a copper applies the Law!
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Post by frostbite on Oct 22, 2019 16:28:57 GMT 10
Here's my 2 cents: I try to stay on good terms with the police, and have a friend who is a sgt in NSW Police and who gets regular invites to my retreat. He's HP and a decent bloke but sometimes needs a few days at my retreat to wind down, especially if he's just been to a fatality involving a child.
However, in the same station there's a licencing sgt who is a real piece of work. He threatened to charge a mate of mine for being in posession of a prohibited firearm (an ar10), even though my mate has a licence for this (and machine guns as well). Then the cop lied under oath at my mate's hearing in the local court (my mate is an ex fed cop and has legaly obtained recordings to prove perjury). And when my mate lodged an official complaint with the NSW Police ethical standards unit (or whatever internal affairs is called these days) the local superintendent covered it up. The licencing sgt actually charged my mate with 14 counts of following the firearms act. You read that right. He did everything by the book and got charged. The sgt even threatened to charge him for having unregistered guns, but dropped this when FAR advised it was their backlog of work that was the issue. This cop is a total piece of $hit who abuses his power for a personal vendetta. He needs to be in prison himself.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 22, 2019 16:37:31 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Oct 22, 2019 16:50:41 GMT 10
Is that a fact? I know a few good cops, a few dead cops and a few broken cops. Pretty sure none of them joined for an early retirement strategy. Generalisations like this don't really do anyone any good, including the reputation of this forum. As the original post implies, there are also some bad cops... just as most lines of employment have some bad people. Yep. Every group of people exists as a spectrum of personalities. It is important to weed out the depraved and support the good operators.
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Post by norseman on Oct 22, 2019 16:56:01 GMT 10
An officer involved in policing at Splendour in the Grass last year has admitted to an inquiry strip searches conducted at the music festival were unlawful.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 22, 2019 17:00:45 GMT 10
Here's my 2 cents: I try to stay on good terms with the police, and have a friend who is a sgt in NSW Police and who gets regular invites to my retreat. He's HP and a decent bloke but sometimes needs a few days at my retreat to wind down, especially if he's just been to a fatality involving a child. However, in the same station there's a licencing sgt who is a real piece of work. He threatened to charge a mate of mine for being in posession of a prohibited firearm (an ar10), even though my mate has a licence for this (and machine guns as well). Then the cop lied under oath at my mate's hearing in the local court (my mate is an ex fed cop and has legaly obtained recordings to prove perjury). And when my mate lodged an official complaint with the NSW Police ethical standards unit (or whatever internal affairs is called these days) the local superintendent covered it up. The licencing sgt actually charged my mate with 14 counts of following the firearms act. You read that right. He did everything by the book and got charged. The sgt even threatened to charge him for having unregistered guns, but dropped this when FAR advised it was their backlog of work that was the issue. This cop is a total piece of $hit who abuses his power for a personal vendetta. He needs to be in prison himself. I had a firearms related paperwork glitch a while back. Must say everyone I dealt with at SAPOL were totally helpful in resolving it. Special cred to a local officer from a nearby small town for his excellent approach to public relations and solving problems without fuss.
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Post by norseman on Oct 22, 2019 17:14:13 GMT 10
Here's my 2 cents: I try to stay on good terms with the police, and have a friend who is a sgt in NSW Police and who gets regular invites to my retreat. He's HP and a decent bloke but sometimes needs a few days at my retreat to wind down, especially if he's just been to a fatality involving a child. However, in the same station there's a licencing sgt who is a real piece of work. He threatened to charge a mate of mine for being in posession of a prohibited firearm (an ar10), even though my mate has a licence for this (and machine guns as well). Then the cop lied under oath at my mate's hearing in the local court (my mate is an ex fed cop and has legaly obtained recordings to prove perjury). And when my mate lodged an official complaint with the NSW Police ethical standards unit (or whatever internal affairs is called these days) the local superintendent covered it up. The licencing sgt actually charged my mate with 14 counts of following the firearms act. You read that right. He did everything by the book and got charged. The sgt even threatened to charge him for having unregistered guns, but dropped this when FAR advised it was their backlog of work that was the issue. This cop is a total piece of $hit who abuses his power for a personal vendetta. He needs to be in prison himself. I had a firearms related paperwork glitch a while back. Must say everyone I dealt with at SAPOL were totally helpful in resolving it. Special cred to a local officer from a nearby small town for his excellent approach to public relations and solving problems without fuss. spinifex Good one, full credit to them!
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Post by frontsight on Oct 22, 2019 19:32:24 GMT 10
Disagree. Most of the time it's the person just being a smart ass. Mate, That's all fine too but either way it should not influence how a copper applies the Law! It does, cops do have power of discretion on less serious offences, they may choose to let someone off the hook if the person is sorry and lesson is learnt. Cops are not robots or every kid who jay walks would have been booked (but I am sure if you jaywalk in Sydney CBD during office hours, they will book you). There are many bad apples yes, but the majority are just trying to do they job and it is a hard gig.
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Post by norseman on Oct 23, 2019 7:53:50 GMT 10
Mate, That's all fine too but either way it should not influence how a copper applies the Law! It does, cops do have power of discretion on less serious offences, they may choose to let someone off the hook if the person is sorry and lesson is learnt. Cops are not robots or every kid who jay walks would have been booked (but I am sure if you jaywalk in Sydney CBD during office hours, they will book you). There are many bad apples yes, but the majority are just trying to do they job and it is a hard gig. frontsight Yes you are correct mate, that is how it works! A point I would like to make is this, when you say "if the person is sorry" who are they apologising to? So is it the cop? The Government? The Public Service? The Citizens who the cop works for and thus pays his salary? Another point is this:- I fully agree that it is a "hard gig" thus you would only want citizens of the highest calibre to become Police Officers! How many times have I heard this:- "Well if I don't make it here I can always go sign up for the cops!"
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Post by norseman on Oct 23, 2019 9:36:19 GMT 10
So if the law is to be applied fairly without prejudice or corruption then that Police Person should now be charged with 19 counts of Sexual Assault and Unlawful Detainment! Yes or No??
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