dadbod
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Post by dadbod on Oct 23, 2019 5:10:12 GMT 10
I got my letter from the registry about the adler reclassification. it says any capacity above 5 is now a class D. I can fit 5 full sized 12g cartridges plus one in the chamber. I dont know how many stubbys i could cram in there.
if thats a class d, and I go out hunting and get checked, i will have a class d weapon with a class a and b license.
also, my firearm has been devalued, because the pool of buyers has dropped to only class d buyers. why would they buy a lever action when they could go semi auto? my gun is now worthless.
vicpol said that my gun has a capacity of 4, so i think i will let them have that. but interesting that depending on the ammo you use, you could have a class b or class d firearm.
i would happily wear it if it means I am now able to have class d's, but i doubt it.
anyone else confussed
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Post by Joey on Oct 23, 2019 9:18:52 GMT 10
The standard adler should only be a class B now being 5 shot, the ones with the extended tube mags are the cat D ones.
According to the NFA capacity only goes off the magazine capacity NOT including a chambered round.
I would be ringing up your firearms licensing dept and having a chat with them about that.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 23, 2019 14:15:24 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Oct 23, 2019 17:56:10 GMT 10
My understanding is the Adler has 5 round or 9 round 'MAG chamber'.
I am in NSW and got notification in post my Adler has been reclassified to B, a few months later got a new issued licence. Did not have to do anything.
The one in the firing chamber is not counted.
To my limited knowledge the 9 round is not imported any more.
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Post by dadbod on Oct 24, 2019 2:06:06 GMT 10
i wonder what these do to your capacity. i dont know if they would cycle well, but would love to find out. stupid beauracracy pushed by emotion rather than evidence.  |
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Post by frostbite on Oct 24, 2019 4:04:28 GMT 10
You could always buy a box mag fed shotgun (lever or straight pull) and feed it with 5rd or 10rd mags.
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Post by norseman on Oct 24, 2019 6:08:44 GMT 10
None of this is about community safety or commonsense! It's all about the "F*CKAROUND FACTOR"!! How it works is that the Public Servants are constantly ratcheting up the "F*CKAROUND FACTOR" to ensure more and more Law Abiding Firearms Owners just give up and walk away from their sport, their lifestyle and their outdoor pursuits! Nobody ever voted for any of this Bullshit but we cop it in spades! 60 percent of all post 96 firearm laws are based on the "F*CKAROUND FACTOR"! The truly evil in all of this are the anonymous Public Servants who hidden away in their little office cook up all this crap and then feed it to the Politicians for onforwarding to the general public! Your average Politician is brain dead and shit scared of the Public Service Mafia to the extent it's actually the Public Serpents that are the true rulers of our states and our nation!
Rant Off! Back on topic:-
A question to the Feds and Public Servants who monitor this forum:- According to your statistics how many violent crimes have been committed using ADLER Shotguns?
I fully expect absolutely ZERO !
GOOGLE is good! :-
"During discussion about the amendment, Mr Rich-Phillips directed pointed questions to Minister Gayle Tierney, who represented the Police Minister in the Upper House. "
"Hansard shows it became clear the Minister and her advisors had little understanding of the lever-action shotgun nor the lack of necessity to reclassify it."
“It is clear that this a purely political decision and we are perplexed as to why the Liberal Party or The Nationals did not vote against it and show that they have the interests of law-abiding firearms owners at heart.”
"In putting forward the amendment to the Bill, Mr Bourman said reclassifying lever-action shotguns was not based on evidence."
“There is no data to support these changes,” he said."
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Post by bug on Oct 25, 2019 17:23:46 GMT 10
Communist/socialists HATE independent people. Firearms owners are generally independent people. Andrews is not your friend.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 25, 2019 18:50:27 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Oct 25, 2019 18:59:10 GMT 10
Communist/socialists HATE independent people. Indeed. Joseph Stalin (communist). Adolf Hitler (Socialist). Neither were big on private firearms ownership or independent thinking. Turns out Capitalists also hate independent people. Aboriginal people, native Americans and Boers were all extremely independent until the English capitalists showed up. What's that leave us with? We need a new kind of 'ist'. |
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Post by fei on Oct 25, 2019 23:38:28 GMT 10
They banned the sale of knives in Beijing before the Olympics there in 2008. Had old grandpas going to get new cleavers and being told they would just have to do without for a month or two until the restrictions finished. Even people going online and buying were having their packages seized and held until after the restrictions were finished. I hear the UK is going pretty much the same way, but restrictions will become permanent for types of knives. They also have the kind of appearance based laws Aus has for firearms -- ie. the poms banned "zombie knives", with the definition being: "the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with— (i)a cutting edge; (ii)a serrated edge; and (iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.” How many items does that description fit? Does a pocket knife with a saw back on the blade and a skull or zombie printed on it qualify? Ridiculous when laws are based on such obscure wording. |
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Post by Morgo on Nov 17, 2019 9:26:12 GMT 10
This just shows how stupid those people are.
A dangerous knife is a blunt knife.
Blunt knives mean you apply more pressure to cut something so when you eventually slip on the object, which the likelihood of slipping is also increased by the fact your pushing harder and have less control, all that force you were pushing on the knife means the results.... well you can imagine.
Besides do they think people have not heard of things like files? or grinders? Its just plain friggin stupid.
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Post by Morgo on Nov 17, 2019 9:28:03 GMT 10
I hear the UK is going pretty much the same way, but restrictions will become permanent for types of knives. They also have the kind of appearance based laws Aus has for firearms -- ie. the poms banned "zombie knives", with the definition being: "the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with— (i)a cutting edge; (ii)a serrated edge; and (iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.” How many items does that description fit? Does a pocket knife with a saw back on the blade and a skull or zombie printed on it qualify? Ridiculous when laws are based on such obscure wording.
Yes they did and we also followed suit here.
Zombie knives, or any knife that meets their stupid definition now, is now banned in Australia. Its purely an appearance based ban, just like military looking firearms ban in Australia.
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Post by norseman on Nov 17, 2019 9:37:56 GMT 10
Morgo
Are you surprised by all this, if so why?
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Post by bug on Nov 17, 2019 9:41:37 GMT 10
Communist/socialists HATE independent people. Indeed. Joseph Stalin (communist). Adolf Hitler (Socialist). Neither were big on private firearms ownership or independent thinking. Turns out Capitalists also hate independent people. Aboriginal people, native Americans and Boers were all extremely independent until the English capitalists showed up. What's that leave us with? We need a new kind of 'ist'. Libertarian might be the word you are looking for. Big on personal rights and responsibilities. Low on government control and taxation. |
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Post by norseman on Nov 17, 2019 9:57:45 GMT 10
Indeed. Joseph Stalin (communist). Adolf Hitler (Socialist). Neither were big on private firearms ownership or independent thinking. Turns out Capitalists also hate independent people. Aboriginal people, native Americans and Boers were all extremely independent until the English capitalists showed up. What's that leave us with? We need a new kind of 'ist'. Libertarian might be the word you are looking for. Big on personal rights and responsibilities. Low on government control and taxation. bug Pretty correct there mate, if someone finds the need to pigeonhole me then I want to be labelled "Libertarian"! |
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Post by Morgo on Nov 18, 2019 13:26:20 GMT 10
Morgo Are you surprised by all this, if so why?
Nope
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Post by bug on Nov 18, 2019 19:57:58 GMT 10
I'd cop libertarian. If there was a group for environmentalists with out all the socialist crap that often goes with it, then that's me.
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