Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Nov 3, 2019 4:17:08 GMT 10
I have read, seen some video of US veterinary, agriculture experts, and nutrition people saying with the swine flu epidemic in Asia and Africa there could be a "protein crisis" in 2020..... I'm sure so in some places, but likely not everyplace is my feeling. None the less we are arranging to get a cut and wrapped pig from our friends with the butcher shop, as I'm sure if nothing else comes of the "crisis" there is likely to be a price spike, if nothing more. Years ago my dad heard on his world wide short wave radio there was an issue with import, export of Argentine beef somehow. He called and said buy a cut and wrap beef asap. I did and beat a significant price spike of the time. It was a pain to shuffle freezer space for a while, but worked out well at that time. Facts, details, thoughts  |
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Post by milspec on Nov 3, 2019 5:32:10 GMT 10
Lamb prices here have been pretty high for a while now. With the swine flu reducing pork availability I can imagine the price staying high for some time.
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 3, 2019 7:42:05 GMT 10
As long as you’re getting enough calories you’ll be getting enough protein even without meat. So it would be a meat crisis not a protein crisis.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 3, 2019 9:53:13 GMT 10
I have read, seen some video of US veterinary, agriculture experts, and nutrition people saying with the swine flu epidemic in Asia and Africa there could be a "protein crisis" in 2020..... I'm sure so in some places, but likely not everyplace is my feeling. None the less we are arranging to get a cut and wrapped pig from our friends with the butcher shop, as I'm sure if nothing else comes of the "crisis" there is likely to be a price spike, if nothing more. Years ago my dad heard on his world wide short wave radio there was an issue with import, export of Argentine beef somehow. He called and said buy a cut and wrap beef asap. I did and beat a significant price spike of the time. It was a pain to shuffle freezer space for a while, but worked out well at that time. Facts, details, thoughts Crisis is a strong word. It's just going to jack up meat prices. "Investment opportunity" is the positive way of looking at it. Good time to buy shares in firms involved in livestock. Price of vegetable proteins like soybeans, lentils etc might go up a tad too. |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 3, 2019 14:41:00 GMT 10
Plenty of free protein walking around my retreat.
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Post by perthprepper on Nov 4, 2019 14:44:00 GMT 10
It's just going to jack up meat prices. "Investment opportunity" is the positive way of looking at it. Good time to buy shares in firms involved in livestock. Might it be too late for that? If this issue is already being talked about widely, any share price rise would in theory already have happened |
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Post by feralemma on Nov 4, 2019 15:06:40 GMT 10
A recent visitor into Australia was found with 4kg of mooncakes containing pork.....which tested positive for ASF as well as Foot and mouth disease 😯 how TF do both of these extremely serious livestock diseases find their way into the same product?? Seems to almost be a concerted effort to spread these diseases and introduce them here 😡 it seems that not only will we be dealing with increased prices due to export demands, but we could also face the annihilation of our own livestock industries.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 4, 2019 17:19:58 GMT 10
It's just going to jack up meat prices. "Investment opportunity" is the positive way of looking at it. Good time to buy shares in firms involved in livestock. Might it be too late for that? If this issue is already being talked about widely, any share price rise would in theory already have happened Possibly a speculative rise has already occurred. But I expect much more to come. |
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Post by frontsight on Nov 7, 2019 16:03:16 GMT 10
Seems to almost be a concerted effort to spread these diseases and introduce them here 😡 it seems that not only will we be dealing with increased prices due to export demands, but we could also face the annihilation of our own livestock industries. I highly doubt this, if it is that work of a state actor, this is one dumb ass way to bring stuff in. You don't need much, just a small packet of freeze dried virus and a bit of "creative" planning will be enough to destroy our entire pork industry. Most of the regional players IMPORT our pork these days, it will serve them no good to bump up pork prices. As much as we should be worried about our biosecurity, ASF can be a blessing in disguise. Higher demand = more export income and hell we need export income. High local prices? Yeah sure but chicken is still $3.5/kg in bulk, pork price in relation to wages is very very low. Ask the baby boomers, meat was more expensive when compared to income back then. For as long as we can produce clean agriculture products, the worse off the rest of the world is, the better for us. Yeah sure, we pay more too due to demand but it is more of a inconvenience than health issue, we are not starving. Maybe we will eat less shit and be a bit skinnier as a nation? Make some money and lose some weight, why not. The news never seem to show the positive side, remember a year ago the news was full of mothers complaining about Chinese buyers shipping all the "good" baby formulas and there was "nothing" to feed the babies. I am speaking as someone with a degree in Food Science, the other Aussie brands are pretty much the same, the baby won't feel the difference. But yeah all of a sudden there was a national baby "protein crisis". This was just an inconvenience, the manufacturers and famers surely were pretty happy because they have screwed by two supermarket chains for milk prices for too long, some export income is welcomed. |
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Post by frontsight on Nov 7, 2019 16:21:51 GMT 10
As long as you’re getting enough calories you’ll be getting enough protein even without meat. So it would be a meat crisis not a protein crisis. Just be careful.... Generally speaking yes, you are right but some foods are protein poor and some protein rich food lack some essential amino acids. Having enough calories at least prevents your body from burning protein as fuel but still need some essential amino acid (more so in children). It is possible to get a balance diet from non meat sources alone but it is way harder to manage. The good news is you don't need much, an egg and a glass of milk on top of a otherwise high protein veg diet will do it. |
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Post by feralemma on Nov 8, 2019 14:24:57 GMT 10
Seems to almost be a concerted effort to spread these diseases and introduce them here 😡 it seems that not only will we be dealing with increased prices due to export demands, but we could also face the annihilation of our own livestock industries. I highly doubt this, if it is that work of a state actor, this is one dumb ass way to bring stuff in. You don't need much, just a small packet of freeze dried virus and a bit of "creative" planning will be enough to destroy our entire pork industry. Most of the regional players IMPORT our pork these days, it will serve them no good to bump up pork prices. As much as we should be worried about our biosecurity, ASF can be a blessing in disguise. Higher demand = more export income and hell we need export income. High local prices? Yeah sure but chicken is still $3.5/kg in bulk, pork price in relation to wages is very very low. Ask the baby boomers, meat was more expensive when compared to income back then. For as long as we can produce clean agriculture products, the worse off the rest of the world is, the better for us. Yeah sure, we pay more too due to demand but it is more of a inconvenience than health issue, we are not starving. Maybe we will eat less shit and be a bit skinnier as a nation? Make some money and lose some weight, why not. The news never seem to show the positive side, remember a year ago the news was full of mothers complaining about Chinese buyers shipping all the "good" baby formulas and there was "nothing" to feed the babies. I am speaking as someone with a degree in Food Science, the other Aussie brands are pretty much the same, the baby won't feel the difference. But yeah all of a sudden there was a national baby "protein crisis". This was just an inconvenience, the manufacturers and famers surely were pretty happy because they have screwed by two supermarket chains for milk prices for too long, some export income is welcomed. So far in the last 8 months there has been over 27 tonnes (!!) of pork products stopped by customs from entering the country thru airports. I'm more of the opinion that a certain country is aiming for bigger fish. What happens to our farms when ASF, or even worse Foot and Mouth disease, gets loose here? Farms go up for sale. Cheap. The same way "they" created a false economy for our dairy industry and then pulled out, leaving farmers in huge debt and having to sell up fully set up dairy properties. We are currently not a viable alternative source of pork to replace their own sources, as what we produce in a year is consumed there in 57 hours, and is expensive for them to buy from us. We do currently export some pork, but not much. I would like to see what happens with a 60,000 sow piggery that was planned and approved in a shire not far from us but didn't go ahead due to the slump in pork prices caused by over supply of the market. |
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Post by frontsight on Nov 8, 2019 15:16:18 GMT 10
If it were the work of a state actor, it would have been in freeze dried form and normal customs detection won't pick it up, it is neither a drug nor explosive.
Annual dairy export has not dropped for several years so whatever it is, can't blame farms not making money on export sale. Our two supermarket giants' treatment to the dairy industry is disgraceful, that is why our farms are not profitable. The farm gate milk price has dropped during the past few years. I am not saying that we should not worry about foreign influence, of course we do, but the news is usually all about foreign conspiracy, nothing about how the local retail giants screwing our primary producers. This may just be my personal opinion, an opinion typed during my lunch break inside a DPIRD building.
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Post by bug on Nov 8, 2019 19:07:51 GMT 10
Not sad to see failings in the pork industry. The way they treat the animals is pretty horrible. Blows me away the idiocy of people who will criticize hunting a deer which has lived it's whole life in the wild as a feral, but happily chow down on pork from a pig that lived its life in a sow stall.
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Post by feralemma on Nov 9, 2019 16:46:28 GMT 10
If it were the work of a state actor, it would have been in freeze dried form and normal customs detection won't pick it up, it is neither a drug nor explosive. Annual dairy export has not dropped for several years so whatever it is, can't blame farms not making money on export sale. Our two supermarket giants' treatment to the dairy industry is disgraceful, that is why our farms are not profitable. The farm gate milk price has dropped during the past few years. I am not saying that we should not worry about foreign influence, of course we do, but the news is usually all about foreign conspiracy, nothing about how the local retail giants screwing our primary producers. This may just be my personal opinion, an opinion typed during my lunch break inside a DPIRD building. Lol as a farmer I can totally agree that the supermarket giants are bending us over and screwing us! The only way around it is selling direct to the public....which then costs us extra in permits and the like, not to mention all of the extra work that goes into establishing a sustainable client base. A lot of the dairy farms that are now supplying the export market are no longer Auatralian owned, the same as the piggeries that supply the export market. |
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Post by Tim Horton on Nov 15, 2019 12:43:38 GMT 10
Sooo... This issue has been hashed over for a while now....
The biggest thing I get from thought of most people is this isn't a protein crisis as much as a possible pork shortage in some areas of the world. Pretty much supply and demand with the resulting rise of prices that can, will ocure with that.
Many have been quick and in detail to tout and explain the virtues of plant protein, which is good, but may also be price affected with any other market adjustments..
It is with just plain good operating efficiency and stock management in mind that we are keeping our freezers pretty much full as consumption and replenish opportunities come along.
My 5 cents of opinion...
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Post by spatial on Nov 18, 2019 17:03:19 GMT 10
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