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Post by SA Hunter on Dec 8, 2019 2:44:03 GMT 10
As preppers we usually focus on practical steps that will give us a better chance of surviving whatever crisis comes down the road. We talk about what kind of food to store and how much of it, where our water is going to come from, and the best weapons to have available. These are all important points, and if we don’t get them right life will be a lot harder post-SHTF. But is there something else, maybe just as important, that we’re all overlooking? www.askaprepper.com/whats-the-limit-of-your-morality-in-a-crisis/Interesting article, that should provoke some interesting conversations. |
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Post by frostbite on Dec 8, 2019 4:40:19 GMT 10
It would provoke some interesting private conversations. Perhaps not so interesting on a public forum.
I would like to think my moral code remains unchanged, but who really knows how they will react when watching their children starving to death.
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Post by milspec on Dec 8, 2019 7:20:05 GMT 10
It's an essential topic to consider and we'll presented in the article. I agree that societal collapse and the subsequent absence of punitive measures for serious crimes will embolden many people to routinely act in immoral ways, never mind the people who've lowered their morals simply to survive. Surviving in that world would leave you no choice but to modify your personal moral standards.
In the first phases of collapse there would be overwhelming risk by virtue of numbers of desperate people looking for help or willing criminal seeking easy prey and we expect that our survival responses would leave little room to assist. Our responses would be defence and deter oriented.
We expect that we will see the weak,the clueless, the old, the young, the unfit people dying as life becomes survival of the fittest. Criminal behaviour which seriously undermines survival of a community/group living in low resources collapse conditions would warrant extraordinary punitive measures given that there won't be secure detention facilities, or resources to keep them detained and fed.
In my opinion the moral acceptability of the actions and responses of a decent person would have to vary with the evolving collapse and rebuild situation.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 8, 2019 8:37:10 GMT 10
Read up on post USSR. That's what collapse actually looks like and there are many accounts of life under those conditions.
What is far scarier and far more morally testing is the ethic cleansing scenarios played out in the Balkans in the 90's. Plenty of depraved stuff went down over there for several years.
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Post by norseman on Dec 8, 2019 9:30:30 GMT 10
Read up on post USSR. That's what collapse actually looks like and there are many accounts of life under those conditions. What is far scarier and far more morally testing is the ethic cleansing scenarios played out in the Balkans in the 90's. Plenty of depraved stuff went down over there for several years. Balkanisation is taking place in Oz as well as all other Western Nations, if anything the forced multiculty policies of our various Goobermints and their ruling Public Serpents have only just accelerated the process! Right or Wrong we are going tribal folks and there is no way back, just be ready for it! |
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Post by frostbite on Dec 8, 2019 10:29:37 GMT 10
Read up on post USSR. That's what collapse actually looks like and there are many accounts of life under those conditions. What is far scarier and far more morally testing is the ethic cleansing scenarios played out in the Balkans in the 90's. Plenty of depraved stuff went down over there for several years. As it did in East Timor, Bouganville, Northern Ireland, Ukraine and just about anywhere that people resort to their base morality. We live in a savage jungle covered by a thin veneer of civility. You don't get peace through superior firepower alone. You also need superior aggression. |
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Post by bce1 on Dec 8, 2019 10:38:04 GMT 10
Like Frostbite I think it is conversation for over a beer not and written down in perpetuity!
I think without rule of law you end up resorting to the basic ethic principles - but the focus is on the group and not the wider population. And there it all changes.
What is in the interests of the tribe is not necessarily in the interests of a wider population.
I would never say anyone doesn’t deserve to live.... but currently many live with my indirect support and in a WROL situation they wouldn’t have that and I am ok with that....... I don’t wish any ill to them..... but my tribe comes first if resources are limited
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Post by spinifex on Dec 8, 2019 14:47:52 GMT 10
WROL is a rare and transient situation. Even places like Somalia operate on WCROL. (With Corrupt Rule of Law). Ya can't just shoot any R-sole you like there without attracting serious attention. Only some R-soles - depending on what group they are in and what their connections are. My understanding is there is also no place remote/secret enough to hide yourself to avoid having to interact with said R-soles. They show up anywhere and anytime and if they don't return safely a lot MORE show up to restore 'order'. That seems to involve shallow graves and abductions.
History shows WCROL is the much, much more common thing and it lasts for a very long time - typically decades. The lines are also a LOT more blurry too. There are official instructions given on who are the victims and who are the perpetrators. 'We' don't get a real choice based on how we feel or think. Either we actively participate to oppress/liquidate groups AB and C or we end up being part of groups AB and C or we are actually IN groups A,B and C.
We will be duly instructed as to who to suspend our morality against in due course. Or we may find ourselves the victims.
Either way it's pretty much out of our hands so I'm choosing to just relax.
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