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Post by norseman on Jul 28, 2020 7:24:11 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 28, 2020 12:01:06 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Jul 28, 2020 18:15:55 GMT 10
What the hell is going on in the USA these days?
When a band of armed civilians like NFUK start demonstrating in public its time to roll in a Marine battalion (of hand-picked african american troops) to take their toys away and send them to a suitable containment facility.
JHC back in 1970 unarmed students were getting slaughtered on Kent State University campus by National Guard for protesting the Vietnam War. Now it's ok to tool up for combat in public places? How the hell can the leadership of a nation be so damn bi-polar?
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Post by Beno on Jul 28, 2020 19:36:03 GMT 10
It’s bizarre. They are apparently protesting their rights to bear arms but i call it intimidation. It’s wild west bullshit. Also i thought the 2nd amendment was to tool up incase they needed to overthrow tyrannical government but it appears they just wanna pick on people with alternative views. as far as i can see the armed protesters are loving Trumpet so why all the guns? The whole mob has gone full retard.
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Post by bug on Jul 29, 2020 10:12:09 GMT 10
What the hell is going on in the USA these days? When a band of armed civilians like NFUK start demonstrating in public its time to roll in a Marine battalion (of hand-picked african american troops) to take their toys away and send them to a suitable containment facility. JHC back in 1970 unarmed students were getting slaughtered on Kent State University campus by National Guard for protesting the Vietnam War. Now it's ok to tool up for combat in public places? How the hell can the leadership of a nation be so damn bi-polar? The US isn't a single country the way that Australia is. Some pretty serious things have to happen for the national guard to be rolled out and it needs to be at the behest of all levels of government. Normally this is fine for disaster relief, but when you've got racist local governments who are happy to allow armed racial militias to wander the streets as long as they are black, it makes intervention difficult. I'm sure there's more to it than that though. |
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Post by kelabar on Jul 29, 2020 10:37:33 GMT 10
Never a good idea to use military on civilians. Just doesn't work. Nobody likes it. Military hates it, they don't want to kill their own people, civilians don't like it. The protesters really wouldn't like it, but other civilians don't like the abuse of power by gov. Just makes things worse. Bad feelings forever, dead people, even less trust.
Just fix the problem instead.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 29, 2020 12:44:17 GMT 10
Nominally the Guard reports to the Governor of the State they reside in, and they theoretically report to them; the governor can mobilize the guard as needed.
But then comes the “national” part--the national guard can be federalized at any point, which means they then work for the President as commander in chief. They are the governor's only until a bigger dog wants them.
That is why 37 states also have a state guard in addition to a national guard — to have a force which belongs solely to the state and cannot be diverted to foreign wars quite so easily.
The Governor of the state the unit is in, is in charge. The Governor decides on when a situation calls for the Guard. Things like forest fires, riots, and hostile situations. Each state has a Guard unit and each governor is the commander and chief of that states Guard. That's why the state pays for the Guardsmen. If the president calls upon the Guard, then the Federal Government pays for the Guardsmen and is then federalized.
Many Guard units are specialized such as medical/ law enforcement/ engineering etc.....
My husband was a Military Policeman in the United States Army for years and later a guardsman for many years. Their function was to police the military. To police their own and not civilians. That is not what they are trained for. Their training is much more (militant) than say the local police force. As a guardsman they were used more in emergency situation to assist the local and state law enforcement. They did have extensive riot training. When federalized they guarded the swedish refugees and Cuban boat people.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 29, 2020 13:04:34 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Jul 29, 2020 13:40:26 GMT 10
The appropriate response it to cordon the area and arrest every single person.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 29, 2020 13:53:24 GMT 10
The appropriate response it to cordon the area and arrest every single person. I agree! And in some cities that does happen. Remember when the group cordoned off part of Seattle and occupied it. They tried the same thing in Nashville, Tennessee at th capitol. The Governor refused to even talk to them. They were eventually arrested. Their tents torn down, belongings confiscated and charges filed against them. They wanted him to defund the police. He said he had no intentions of doing it and they had nothing to talk about. They eventually faded back into wherever they came from. Most of what you are seeing is in the large Northern Democratic cities. For us 60 million every day folk that live in the rural areas and small towns of this country we have not seen the first protest. We turn on our television every night after dinner and are just as amazed and disgusted as you are. The other thing you are not seeing is that businesses and citizens are pouring out of those cities in droves and buying rural land to get away from all the nonsense. |
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Post by spatial on Jul 29, 2020 14:10:29 GMT 10
Nominally the Guard reports to the Governor of the State they reside in, and they theoretically report to them; the governor can mobilize the guard as needed. But then comes the “national” part--the national guard can be federalized at any point, which means they then work for the President as commander in chief. They are the governor's only until a bigger dog wants them. That is why 37 states also have a state guard in addition to a national guard — to have a force which belongs solely to the state and cannot be diverted to foreign wars quite so easily. The Governor of the state the unit is in, is in charge. The Governor decides on when a situation calls for the Guard. Things like forest fires, riots, and hostile situations. Each state has a Guard unit and each governor is the commander and chief of that states Guard. That's why the state pays for the Guardsmen. If the president calls upon the Guard, then the Federal Government pays for the Guardsmen and is then federalized. Many Guard units are specialized such as medical/ law enforcement/ engineering etc..... My husband was a Military Policeman in the United States Army for years and later a guardsman for many years. Their function was to police the military. To police their own and not civilians. That is not what they are trained for. Their training is much more (militant) than say the local police force. As a guardsman they were used more in emergency situation to assist the local and state law enforcement. They did have extensive riot training. When federalized they guarded the swedish refugees and Cuban boat people. Yip, that is my understanding - The US president has no security authorization in the states. They are using the excuse of guarding federal assets like court houses. Word out on the street is they should just let Portland burn and take responsibility for their actions -and Fed should stay out of it. It is horrendous things going on and state leader seem to be encouraging it. |
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 29, 2020 14:55:25 GMT 10
Nominally the Guard reports to the Governor of the State they reside in, and they theoretically report to them; the governor can mobilize the guard as needed. But then comes the “national” part--the national guard can be federalized at any point, which means they then work for the President as commander in chief. They are the governor's only until a bigger dog wants them. That is why 37 states also have a state guard in addition to a national guard — to have a force which belongs solely to the state and cannot be diverted to foreign wars quite so easily. The Governor of the state the unit is in, is in charge. The Governor decides on when a situation calls for the Guard. Things like forest fires, riots, and hostile situations. Each state has a Guard unit and each governor is the commander and chief of that states Guard. That's why the state pays for the Guardsmen. If the president calls upon the Guard, then the Federal Government pays for the Guardsmen and is then federalized. Many Guard units are specialized such as medical/ law enforcement/ engineering etc..... My husband was a Military Policeman in the United States Army for years and later a guardsman for many years. Their function was to police the military. To police their own and not civilians. That is not what they are trained for. Their training is much more (militant) than say the local police force. As a guardsman they were used more in emergency situation to assist the local and state law enforcement. They did have extensive riot training. When federalized they guarded the swedish refugees and Cuban boat people. Yip, that is my understanding - The US president has no security authorization in the states. They are using the excuse of guarding federal assets like court houses. Word out on the street is they should just let Portland burn and take responsibility for their actions -and Fed should stay out of it. It is horrendous things going on and state leader seem to be encouraging it. Yeah! It is pretty sad  My youngest daughter ( early 20's) recently spent a year and half working and living in Portland for her job. As soon as her contract was up she came home and turned down an offer to stay. We are so thankful she did. It was right before the virus broke out and all the civil unrest started. Counting our blessings that she got out. Most people here seem pretty disgusted with this situation as well. There are great differences between the states and their individual governments. I would say Oregon and Washington are making a pretty poor impression on the world. |
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Post by bug on Jul 29, 2020 17:00:59 GMT 10
The cities that are suffering have brought this on themselves because the local government decided being politically correct was more important than being safe. Portland is burning but Memphis is not. The correlation is quite clear.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 29, 2020 18:38:46 GMT 10
Never a good idea to use military on civilians. Just doesn't work. Nobody likes it. Military hates it, they don't want to kill their own people, civilians don't like it. The protesters really wouldn't like it, but other civilians don't like the abuse of power by gov. Just makes things worse. Bad feelings forever, dead people, even less trust. Just fix the problem instead. Totally agree. And yet, I think at some point Mr and Mr's Average are going to be begging for order to be restored by whatever means it takes. |
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Post by Beno on Jul 29, 2020 19:22:42 GMT 10
Never a good idea to use military on civilians. Just doesn't work. Nobody likes it. Military hates it, they don't want to kill their own people, civilians don't like it. The protesters really wouldn't like it, but other civilians don't like the abuse of power by gov. Just makes things worse. Bad feelings forever, dead people, even less trust. Just fix the problem instead. Totally agree. And yet, I think at some point Mr and Mr's Average are going to be begging for order to be restored by whatever means it takes. Yep that is where this whole shebang has gone wrong including here. Mrs and Mrs average were too boring politically so political parties went cray cray promoting all sorts of extreme left and right wing filth eg boat people, gay marriage, work choices etc. |
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Post by Beno on Jul 29, 2020 19:23:26 GMT 10
oops.
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Post by Beno on Jul 29, 2020 19:23:42 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Jul 30, 2020 14:02:53 GMT 10
Never a good idea to use military on civilians. Just doesn't work. Nobody likes it. Military hates it, they don't want to kill their own people, civilians don't like it. The protesters really wouldn't like it, but other civilians don't like the abuse of power by gov. Just makes things worse. Bad feelings forever, dead people, even less trust. Just fix the problem instead. Totally agree. And yet, I think at some point Mr and Mr's Average are going to be begging for order to be restored by whatever means it takes. Once they form a racist militia and show up in public trying to appear threatening, they are no longer civilians. They are an insurgent group. |
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Post by spatial on Jul 30, 2020 15:35:29 GMT 10
Totally agree. And yet, I think at some point Mr and Mr's Average are going to be begging for order to be restored by whatever means it takes. Once they form a racist militia and show up in public trying to appear threatening, they are no longer civilians. They are an insurgent group. On the ultra radical left gov sponsored Australian ABC radio they said yesterday that Trump is the first US president in a while that not started a war because he does not have international backing, but instead has started a civil war against the American public, they are already starting to appropriate blame for the big mess that the politically correct have made. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 30, 2020 17:35:57 GMT 10
I watched this video last night - it's worth the watch. You could almost substitute America for Australia in a lot of it.
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My youngest daughter ( early 20's) recently spent a year and half working and living in Portland for her job. As soon as her contract was up she came home and turned down an offer to stay. We are so thankful she did. It was right before the virus broke out and all the civil unrest started. Counting our blessings that she got out. Most people here seem pretty disgusted with this situation as well.