tomatoes
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Post by tomatoes on Apr 21, 2020 8:00:54 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Apr 21, 2020 8:07:37 GMT 10
Holy cow. That's different.
The mind boggles how that is even possible. The forward contracting system in the US oil market must be 100% shenanigans driven.
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Post by blueshoes on Apr 21, 2020 8:13:20 GMT 10
You're not allowed to pour oil down the back paddock like you can with milk, and they've run out of tanks and tankers to fill up
Also the oil price is actually still $20 a barrel, its next months promise-to-buy-US-oil price (futures) that's trading negative. As in, the oil companies will pay you $54 a barrel if you promise to buy it from them next month... the catch is you now have to buy it next month
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Post by frostbite on Apr 21, 2020 10:15:36 GMT 10
So why aren't we being paid by the petrol station to fill up our cars?
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Post by fei on Apr 21, 2020 11:33:04 GMT 10
So why aren't we being paid by the petrol station to fill up our cars? They'll keep the prices as high as they can as long as they can. Still, I wonder what the government's excuse would be now for not building up the strategic stockpile they refuse to build? How about they promise to buy that oil next month, get paid to take it away, and use the money earned to cover freight?
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Post by Joey on Apr 21, 2020 11:43:06 GMT 10
Wouldn't this be an awesome time for the government to suddenly build a mass strategic oil storage facilities around the country to capitalise on the cheap price and sure up our reserves?
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Post by frostbite on Apr 21, 2020 14:15:39 GMT 10
They can't afford such a sensible idea after spending so much money on double Dole payments, Corona bonus and make-up wages for latte stirrers and smashed avo spreaders.
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Post by spatial on Apr 21, 2020 23:33:19 GMT 10
The price of Brent oil is below $20 a barrel. Some of the biggest oil trading companies in the world are now filing bankruptcy.
The stock markets are all down 2-3%. The reality on the ground is fast catching up with the fake financial markets. The same is going to happen with job losses and company earnings. The reality on the ground or in financial terms main street is going to catch up to wall Street and what has happened with oil markets is going to happen with other industries.
For example global vehicle market, housing and mass defaults on debts. Like Virgin Air many companies are sitting on the Brink of collapse and will fail.
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Post by wanderer on Apr 22, 2020 0:24:03 GMT 10
I have a feeling this oil crash is all just smoke and mirrors, something much bigger than covid-19 is about to erupt.
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Post by illuminati on Apr 22, 2020 4:14:42 GMT 10
Part of it is a massive drop in demand since a lot of people are staying home, not going to work, and a lot of factories are shutdown etc.
The other part is Saudi Arabia and Russia waging an economic war, they increased production during the drop in demand, to make prices fall even lower.
USA has actually become the biggest oil producer, and they get their oil mainly from fracking and shale. Which has relatively high overheads compared to Saudi Arabia and Russia. These companies have lots of debts as well. They are only profitable when prices are high. With prices this low they can’t make a profit. As their debts come due they’ll struggle and Russia/Saudis aim is for most to go bankrupt. This will leave Suadi and Russia in stronger positions with less competition.
It’s basically capitalism. Competition. Seeing an opportunity to take some players out.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 22, 2020 6:30:32 GMT 10
So when do we see a massive global oversupply, and corresponding price plummet, on Glenfiddich, cuban cigars and hot blonde backpackers?
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Post by tomatoes on Apr 22, 2020 8:56:01 GMT 10
Wouldn't this be an awesome time for the government to suddenly build a mass strategic oil storage facilities around the country to capitalise on the cheap price and sure up our reserves? Opinion: We have a fuel problem — and coronavirus has handed us an extraordinary opportunity to fix it www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-oil-price-fuel-security/12170390“In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, global oil prices have plummeted. US oil prices went into negative for the first time ever on Monday — at -$38 a barrel — when oil producers effectively ran out of space to store the supplies of crude oil that have not been used during the pandemic. Australia must take advantage of this. As a nation dependent upon imported liquid fuel for more than 90 per cent of our refined fuel needs, a glut of cheap oil is a bonanza. ...”
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Post by illuminati on Apr 22, 2020 9:08:53 GMT 10
We should tell them we can store it for them, for a modest recurring fee
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Post by illuminati on Apr 22, 2020 9:09:51 GMT 10
Or buy it on the futures market in negative dollars, so they are paying us, if we can get it collected and transported.
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Post by Beno on Apr 22, 2020 10:37:26 GMT 10
It would be a great stimulus measure to build several strategic oil reservoirs around the country but it would take a while to build. Maybe we could meet our 90 day strategic storage goals? The negative dollars would actually pay for this so it’s a win win in the short term. I still think electrification of vehicles is going to win the race but the short term benefits are significant.
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Post by tomatoes on Apr 22, 2020 17:02:49 GMT 10
Australia capitalises on low fuel prices to establish stockpile in US www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/government-to-buy-fuel-secure-national-stockpile/12173276“Federal Energy Minister Angus Taylor said the Government would take advantage of historically low fuel prices to build a "strategic fuel reserve", to be held initially in the United States. "We have full storages here in Australia, but in time we are exploring opportunities with the industry to establish local storage," he said. ..... He said moving the storage reserve to Australia was a "priority" and that work to begin expanding domestic capacity would be done as soon as possible.....”
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Post by illuminati on Apr 23, 2020 5:15:49 GMT 10
First the Australian government was saying it’s too costly to build additional storage. Now they are saying the storage is cheap it’s the fuel that’s expensive.
They announced they’ll buy oil and store in the USA, and plan to eventually move it to Australia.
Why don’t we already have capacity? The international agreements say we should have 90 days yet we only have 26. It’s been like this for ages, and it’s only now they seem to be taking any action, which still seems to fall far short.
I don’t think we have much refineries here. Since we import 90% of our fuel. So even if we stored 90 days of oil, we wouldn’t be able to use it if there was some major disruption or conflict. Probably we’d have to export it to Singapore or similar and have them refine it for us and then import the fuel.
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Post by bug on Apr 24, 2020 16:06:37 GMT 10
It would be a great stimulus measure to build several strategic oil reservoirs around the country but it would take a while to build. Maybe we could meet our 90 day strategic storage goals? The negative dollars would actually pay for this so it’s a win win in the short term. I still think electrification of vehicles is going to win the race but the short term benefits are significant. I'm a big fan of EVs, but they aren't a reason not to have a strategic oil store. We still need petroleum based lubricants, plastics etc. These are far better uses of oil than burning it un-necessarily, and we can be completely self sufficient if we choose to be.
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