Beno
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Post by Beno on Aug 17, 2020 7:44:31 GMT 10
I lied and went straight to season 3. nearly finished this season but can’t help think there is a better way to pick a winner than see who can starve the longest. Maybe calculate total percentage of body mass loss and whoever loses the least weight wins?? And Dave, whoa what a way to go, the psychology is so interesting when people start starving and are alone for so long.
I’d like to see some of these people try to live a bit better in samll teams and see how things change. that could be a risk and we might see some documented cannibalism.....
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Post by norseman on Aug 17, 2020 8:02:20 GMT 10
I lied and went straight to season 3. nearly finished this season but can’t help think there is a better way to pick a winner than see who can starve the longest. Maybe calculate total percentage of body mass loss and whoever loses the least weight wins?? And Dave, whoa what a way to go, the psychology is so interesting when people start starving and are alone for so long. I’d like to see some of these people try to live a bit better in samll teams and see how things change. that could be a risk and we might see some documented cannibalism..... In a medium term situation "Hunger" for many is as much psychological as it is physical impact! True "Starvation" is virtually 100% physical. Just my theory. |
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Post by frostbite on Aug 17, 2020 11:51:27 GMT 10
I'm not playing this game unless they add Glenfiddich whisky, Cuban cigars and hot blonde Vietnamese backpacker to the list. Give me those 3 things and I will outlast anyone.
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Post by dadbod on Aug 17, 2020 14:22:45 GMT 10
i feel a lot of the contestants are not students of the show and are rather self taught wilderness survival "experts". there are lots of lessons to be learnt:
build a storage or start tethering items so they dont get lost, losing your firestarter is really unacceptable.
eat what you can, when you can. getting booted because you are under weight when you have a cache of dried fish is the stupidest thing ever.
stay up at night making little things to pass the time. laying in bed with nothing but your thoughts is gonna end bad.
make a gill net.
fireproof your shelter.
cut and season firewood early so that you dont have to do it later. duh
always carry your bow and quiver.
set a daily routine, walk trap line, check gill nets, collect water, clean shelter, eat and drink.
I by no means have what it takes to do this, but these lessons seem apparent from watching the show.
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Post by Beno on Aug 17, 2020 15:27:49 GMT 10
having a stash of food whilst starving was a defining reason to pull him out. he had lost his rational thinking.
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Post by kelabar on Aug 17, 2020 17:43:12 GMT 10
In a medium term situation "Hunger" for many is as much psychological as it is physical impact! True "Starvation" is virtually 100% physical. Just my theory. Never been hungry, never want to be. But even when fasting or deliberately going without food for whatever reason, at the end we always know that there will be food available when we want it. So no experiments we try can reproduce what it is truly like. Without that known happy endpoint, hunger becomes a very different concept. Really scary! Misquote from a book: "While it may be true that hunger teaches many lessons, I will relieve my ignorance at a later date!"  |
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Post by spinifex on Aug 17, 2020 17:49:37 GMT 10
What happened with Dave and his fish hoard/starvation scenario is actually a not uncommon psychological reaction to starvation. Theres an interesting story about a couple of blokes who got lost in a remote part of the amazon in the late 70's. They got separated and one guy ended up with like 5kg of rice and beans ... the other nothing but a machete. The guy with the food was eventually rescued weeks later by the guy with the machete (who made it back to safety) and he was very skinny but had eaten virtually none of the rice and beans. He instead was 'saving it' for when he met up with his companion again.
Go figure. Severe hunger really fries the circuits in many people.
The other big glitch in a lot of the Alone contestants is they don't seem to understand nutrition. Too much focus on 'protein'. Very high protein/low fat/carb diets are actually a good way to lose weight. In mongolia they were using abundant, fat grasshoppers to catch lean fish, in some cases very regularly and prolifically ... and they were still losing weight. A smarter competitor would have collected and eaten as many grasshoppers as possible and even cooked and dried them to save for later when the snow set in (as well as still catching fish). One guy in that series hit the idea of carbs from inner pine bark (good thinking) but found out the hard way one can't digest pinebark in basic form - it has to be processed to get the carbs out. If you don't know the process it results in bowel obstruction from too much fibre.
These shows are great for learning!
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Post by fei on Aug 17, 2020 23:43:33 GMT 10
i feel a lot of the contestants are not students of the show and are rather self taught wilderness survival "experts". there are lots of lessons to be learnt: build a storage or start tethering items so they dont get lost, losing your firestarter is really unacceptable. eat what you can, when you can. getting booted because you are under weight when you have a cache of dried fish is the stupidest thing ever. stay up at night making little things to pass the time. laying in bed with nothing but your thoughts is gonna end bad. make a gill net. fireproof your shelter. cut and season firewood early so that you dont have to do it later. duh always carry your bow and quiver. set a daily routine, walk trap line, check gill nets, collect water, clean shelter, eat and drink. I by no means have what it takes to do this, but these lessons seem apparent from watching the show. I think they are mostly all YouTube survival experts. Would like to see someone like Ed Stafford, or even better, a local tribesman / native person, who would know exactly what to do to get local foods, but with the least effort and probably have a lot of time left for other stuff. |
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