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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 27, 2020 0:15:38 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Jul 27, 2020 8:00:21 GMT 10
This is not so. Of the large number of reefs and islands, none of the proper inhabited islands are held by the CCP. The CCP has only two islands and they are both fake, having been constructed on top of reefs.
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Post by Joey on Jul 27, 2020 8:07:59 GMT 10
We just don't have a ship[ numbers tp spare for running around doing FONOPS like the Pacific Fleet does. We should be working to very quickly build up massive defence bases in areas such as PNG and Timor and have a couple of ships permanently stationed there as a sort of initial intervention/QRF if things kick off.
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Post by bug on Jul 27, 2020 9:14:32 GMT 10
We just don't have a ship[ numbers tp spare for running around doing FONOPS like the Pacific Fleet does. We should be working to very quickly build up massive defence bases in areas such as PNG and Timor and have a couple of ships permanently stationed there as a sort of initial intervention/QRF if things kick off. Agreed. As much as what the CCP is doing is wrong, it isn't our territory and we are not a policeman. If the local nations (Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia) aren't sailing with us to do it, we shouldn't bother. We have no economic play in this. Strategically it will matter in the long term, but again unless the locals stand up, any efforts by Aust/US/anyone else become meaningless. |
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Post by ygidorp on Jul 28, 2020 13:41:24 GMT 10
Why would the locals stand up? The CCP has been spending big money in the area, adding to their economy.
Investing money in your neighbours is absolutely a form of warfare. But we have tons of people here screaming over the 0.2% invested in foreign aid. "HELP EVERYONE AT HOME BEFORE SENDING MONEY OVERSEAS". How many times have we seen that opinion expressed?
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 28, 2020 14:14:00 GMT 10
"HELP EVERYONE AT HOME BEFORE SENDING MONEY OVERSEAS". How many times have we seen that opinion expressed?
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I wish to hell they would get and understand that message here...
Don't get me started..
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Post by bug on Jul 28, 2020 14:37:16 GMT 10
China is a little more strategic with their money than us. The prefer loans to aid. It works well for them. They gave a massive loan to Tajikstan which they knew would not be repaid. To 'forgive' the loan, Tajikstan ceded around 1500sqkm of its territory to China. They also now have troops stationed in Tajikstan. Far cheaper to act as a loan shark than to use military force.
It's a tactic China continues to use.
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Post by kelabar on Jul 28, 2020 20:23:40 GMT 10
China is a little more strategic with their money than us. The prefer loans to aid. It works well for them. They gave a massive loan to Tajikstan which they knew would not be repaid. To 'forgive' the loan, Tajikstan ceded around 1500sqkm of its territory to China. They also now have troops stationed in Tajikstan. Far cheaper to act as a loan shark than to use military force. It's a tactic China continues to use. Whereas the US just flat out invades with a crapload of military hardware killing thousands, sets up their bases and continues to kill them. Bad China!   |
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Post by illuminati on Jul 29, 2020 7:39:56 GMT 10
USA took land when UK ran out of money in exchange for help during WW2
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Post by spinifex on Jul 29, 2020 7:51:23 GMT 10
The British empire took 1/3 of the earths surface away from local inhabitants in exchange for ... um... yeah. And that included Dutch, French, Ottoman and German colonies too.
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Post by bug on Jul 29, 2020 10:06:02 GMT 10
China is a little more strategic with their money than us. The prefer loans to aid. It works well for them. They gave a massive loan to Tajikstan which they knew would not be repaid. To 'forgive' the loan, Tajikstan ceded around 1500sqkm of its territory to China. They also now have troops stationed in Tajikstan. Far cheaper to act as a loan shark than to use military force. It's a tactic China continues to use. Whereas the US just flat out invades with a crapload of military hardware killing thousands, sets up their bases and continues to kill them. Bad China! The last time the US did that was in WWII and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the conflict. They also subsequently held referenda for the territories that they took off Japan to see what they wanted to do. That's 75 years ago. Since then the US hasn't annexed anything. |
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jul 29, 2020 16:44:19 GMT 10
USA took land when UK ran out of money in exchange for help during WW2 99 year leases in exchange for destroyers. Wonder what happens in mid-2040s...will the US give back the bases to the UK?
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