Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 17, 2020 5:02:48 GMT 10
OK... So I see this as deserving its own area to discuss....
Being an old guy, bunker in type, I have made up a couple "kits" of fire starters..
Both started with a 10 liter or so plastic bucket with a tight screw on lid.. The buckets contained swimming pool shock chemicals of some kind.. Washed, dried, labels off, painted blaze orange, and marked "Fire Starter"
Contents are a number of things from around the farm...
Bic lighters grill lighters a box of strike anywhere kitchen matches in a vacuum seal bag a package (24) hexamine fuel tabs, vacuum sealed 2-3 vacuum seal bags of half a box, or 6-12 hexamine tablets.. Contents can be added to or changed at any time.. - - - - I have bought several "match light" type treated compressed sawdust logs made to be used in a fireplace.. No idea how old they were, but they obviously had been in someone camp supplies as the packaging was obviously was well traveled... I broke them up into golf ball size chunks. They are hard to light on there own, but used with a hex tablet work well to start kindling much easier than without..
Tips, tricks, experience, ideas, thoughts ?? ??
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Post by bushdoc2 on Oct 17, 2020 6:22:28 GMT 10
Coffee bags (the little mylar ones you get from Robert Timms) snugly fit a bic and can be resealed with a household iron.
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Post by Joey on Oct 17, 2020 8:37:02 GMT 10
Fatwood or other kindling type fire starter material?
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Post by norseman on Oct 17, 2020 9:21:01 GMT 10
My Compact Fire Kit containing Bic Lighter, Ferro Rod + Striker, tightly packed with a fist sized pile of Vas covered cotton wool tinder. There is room in the Strobe Pouch for additional Tinder / Lighters / Folding Knife / Fire Starters etc. It's Dummy Corded to the pouch, a second Bic is also Dummy Corded separately to my hunting rig, remember one is none two is one! The design allows for the waterproof capsule to be unscrewed from the tethered lid and to be used without the lighter being removed from the capsule. The waterproof capsule preserves the lighter and avoids accidental leakage of fuel.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 18, 2020 6:18:30 GMT 10
Did you cam the top of that lighter?
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Post by norseman on Oct 18, 2020 8:02:49 GMT 10
Did you cam the top of that lighter? Mate you know I have a rattle can fetish! I go weak at the knees when I've got a can of Olive Drab in my hands! Why I'd even hit the wife up with some OD or Coyote if she'd let me!
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Post by kelabar on Oct 18, 2020 8:51:00 GMT 10
What's the container, norseman ? Looks very handy.
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Post by kelabar on Oct 18, 2020 9:22:43 GMT 10
Fatwood or other kindling type fire starter material? I find this makes lighting fires in rain easier. Have enough small wood or combustibles to build a tiny fire, just large enough to start drying collected wood so it then takes off. Similarly a few sheets of cardboard around the edge of the bucket would allow you to use the cardboard as a roof over the fire to get it started when raining. I did the same thing recently with a thin plank of wood. Propped the wood about 10cm up in the air, shoved some plastic, paper, bark and small sticks under it, laid larger damp wood over the top and lit it. The heat lit the thin plank and any heat directed around the plank dried the wood on top. At the same time the plank stopped the rain dousing the small fire. It worked well. Flint and steel for when you run out of matches and lighters. Bulrush/cattail/cumbingi flower fluff is a good tinder. norseman(?) mentioned WetFire which looks good. I think there are a number of these type of surefire (pun intended!) firelighters. Condy's crystals and sugar mixed 9:1 and ground to a powder will light from a spark. Even a handful of dry grass is really handy to get a fire lit. A lot of heat very quickly. The plastic label from soft drink bottles also burns well. Fold it up and stick it down with its own adhesive and you get a little wad of plastic which when burning gives off heat for a few minutes. I find this really handy as the heat is in one spot so dries anything above it well. Paper, cardboard or wood burns from one side to the other which is good for increasing the size of a fire but the plastic ignites one spot well. Very handy. I also use old spray cans to help light fires. Make sure the can is empty and not under pressure. Put a couple of holes in it (I use the can opener on a Swiss Army Knife on the bottom of the can and I make two holes to be sure it is vented as exploding spraycans are not fun!). Then point the end of the can with the holes in it at the fire. Residual propellant will come out of the can and give a small flame. As the can heats a bit more boils out. Not much but it helps initially. Put a couple of candles in there as well. Light the candle and you have a flame for as long as it takes to get the fire lit. Better than wasting match after match. I love the gas torch lighters. But they run on butane which doesn't like freezing temperatures so not recommended for Canada! Although you could put it in your pocket to warm it up. "Blazer" is a brand that was recommended on Day to Day Preppers. The cheap ones don't last well.
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Post by norseman on Oct 18, 2020 10:08:11 GMT 10
What's the container, norseman ? Looks very handy.
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 19, 2020 5:06:42 GMT 10
Condy's crystals and sugar mixed 9:1 and ground to a powder will light from a spark.
+++ Explain this to me.... Condy's crystals must be a the brand name of a local product of some kind ?? ??
What is that ?? Details please..
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Post by norseman on Oct 19, 2020 6:51:15 GMT 10
Condy's crystals and sugar mixed 9:1 and ground to a powder will light from a spark. +++ Explain this to me.... Condy's crystals must be a the brand name of a local product of some kind ?? ?? What is that ?? Details please.. Tim It's Potassium Permanganate and mixed with sugar will actually ignite using straight friction no spark required.
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Post by kelabar on Oct 19, 2020 8:51:18 GMT 10
Condys crystals AKA Potassium Permanganate AKA KMnO4. Also the addition of glycerin to the Condy's/sugar powder will produce spontaneous combustion. It is an oxidiser so works well as an antiseptic. A faint pink solution in poultry water can help with 'wet cough' in poultry. Also works as an anti-fungal for your feet, soak your feet in the pink solution. Could possibly be used as a water sterilisation agent but I don't think it is vigorous enough to kill everything in the water, just most things. But it does stain, quite a dark purple colour when you get it wet, so be wary. Can also be used in methamphetamine production, if that is your thing!
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Post by kelabar on Oct 19, 2020 8:53:46 GMT 10
will actually ignite using straight friction no spark required. Ooh, nice one, thanks, I didn't know that. That could really help with firelighting with a fire bow.
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Post by spatial on Oct 19, 2020 11:42:03 GMT 10
A good while back it was popular to have a few of those weather proof trick party candles that reignite after blown out. Like $5 for pack of 12.
A fire kit must have is a pencil sharpener, break twigs off side of tree truck especially pine, remove the bark and process through pencil sharpener, quick start in any whet condition.
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Post by norseman on Oct 19, 2020 12:41:54 GMT 10
A good while back it was popular to have a few of those weather proof trick party candles that reignite after blown out. Like $5 for pack of 12. A fire kit must have is a pencil sharpener, break twigs off side of tree truck especially pine, remove the bark and process through pencil sharpener, quick start in any whet condition. Yes both very good tips!
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Post by spinifex on Oct 19, 2020 17:33:58 GMT 10
May as well just carry a bundle of hand held marine flares.
Those suckers will light a fire under water.
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 20, 2020 1:57:04 GMT 10
Condys crystals AKA Potassium Permanganate
+++ Yes... Got it... A long time ago, I used to use vet grade potassium permanganate over the pharmacy counter to stain antlers when doing some amateur taxidermy.. A little more natural looking color and result than any other stains available at the time.. - - - - - - Also works as a anti-fungal for your feet, soak your feet in the pink solution. +++ Treatment for Trench Foot.. Athletes Foot, and the like.. A soak in this after a soak in hydrogen peroxide mix with water helps cure a lot..
I'll take your word on the use in meth production as never thought of doing that.. Does that mean it is harder, restricted, to get ?? ?? - - - - Pencil sharpener.... Good idea.. If not that a cheap folding pocket knife that takes disposable utility blades and extra blades in the kit..
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Post by bushdoc2 on Oct 20, 2020 19:47:12 GMT 10
Remember the pencil sharpener itself is fine aluminium, can be shaved to make tinder.
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Post by norseman on Oct 21, 2020 8:01:07 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Oct 21, 2020 16:58:12 GMT 10
I've tried setting fire to a few types of 'new buy' alloy pencil sharpeners with a gas torch.
They melt and do not catch fire.
Even expensive ones.
Combustible sharpeners must be a relic of history. Like properly made rifles.
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