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Post by doglover on Jan 30, 2021 23:03:55 GMT 10
I don’t believe this will continue for two primary reasons. First is the owner of Robin hood made several millions on this. Ok, great for him. The problem is all those new investors just paid 300$ for a stock worth 15$. Game stop has allready dropped substantially and will continue to do so, eventually all the way back to what it is actually worth. Once these new armchair millennial investors realize how much of their real money was lost they will know the dangers of gambling and likely quit. The short sellers aren’t the only ones that will loose money here. Secondly, I bet there will be some investigations that will likely lead to market manipulation and some of the people involved at the top will be prosecuted. Especially the guy that started Robin hood.
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Post by bug on Jan 31, 2021 13:33:51 GMT 10
I agree that this will not happen again. Too many very rich, powerful, unethical people lost money for this to go unpunished. Those who did it will somehow get charged with something. The rules will then be changed to prevent it ever happening again.
The same people who lost money by investing in Melvin will be shorting gamestop right now to get their money back.
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Post by milspec on Jan 31, 2021 13:53:48 GMT 10
I don't pretend to be across the investment subtleties in all of this but what did stand out to me is the suppression moves by big tech and the media language about 'criminal market manipulation' by retail investors. Its the election all over again, distorted stories in the media, the 'undesirables' are branded as criminals, big tech shuts down the enabling platforms which challenge the 'system'.
This is the new norm IMHO. Acquiesce or be crushed.
I look forwards to a truly decentralised internet where internet services like web hosting and the voices they host cannot be shut down on at the whim of big tech. I'd invest in that.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 31, 2021 14:02:38 GMT 10
I don't pretend to be across the investment subtleties in all of this but what did stand out to me is the suppression moves by big tech and the media language about 'criminal market manipulation' by retail investors. That's the thing, there's literally NOTHING illegal about what they're doing. They're acting in exactly the same way that hedge funds do, getting together to decide what price stocks should be. The very thing that allows hedge funds to manipulate the market (don't even get me started on derivatives!) has been used against them and there is nothing that they can do about it unless they get the government to come in and legislate against their very own practices.
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Post by bug on Jan 31, 2021 15:01:54 GMT 10
I don't pretend to be across the investment subtleties in all of this but what did stand out to me is the suppression moves by big tech and the media language about 'criminal market manipulation' by retail investors. That's the thing, there's literally NOTHING illegal about what they're doing. They're acting in exactly the same way that hedge funds do, getting together to decide what price stocks should be. The very thing that allows hedge funds to manipulate the market (don't even get me started on derivatives!) has been used against them and there is nothing that they can do about it unless they get the government to come in and legislate against their very own practices. I'm a bit more pessimistic than that. Wall Street is a club of billionaires who look after each other to the exclusion of everyone else. These robin hood guys are not members of that club. As dirtdiva mentioned, the media narrative is already being set against them. My gut feel is that it is for their prosecution or at the very least to scare off anyone else who tries it. The 'big boys' absolutely strangled wikileaks by hitting them from every angle. You literally couldn't even give wikileaks money by the end of it and we all know what has been done to Assange. Whether or not you agree with what Assange did is largely beside the point. It shows what happens to anyone who dares to go up against the 'club'.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 31, 2021 18:13:25 GMT 10
Oh don't get me wrong, I firmly believe they'll try to make it illegal for the little guy. I'm just not so sure that I see it sticking. Especially as these guys at the moment are doing it out of funzies but some are starting to get emotionally invested. It seems like a large group of them are as mad as cut snakes, and we all know what happens when you poke at a cut snake.
The next few weeks will be interesting to be sure. I'm staying out of it, as much as is feasible. But damn if I'm not laughing at all the memes hahaha.
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Post by bug on Feb 1, 2021 8:03:30 GMT 10
There's already discussions from the NYSE about monitoring online 'chatter' when it is linked to stockmarket 'abnormalities'.
In English, if this happens again, the 1% will freeze trading on the stock to prevent them from losing money. Wall street only operates when it makes the 'right' people money.
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Post by doglover on Feb 1, 2021 9:00:48 GMT 10
I just read an article about these new investors buying up silver coins and bars over the weekend, driving prices up. I don’t know how much or any specific details yet, but will watch spot price tomorrow and thru the week. I’m not much for day trading but there is no doubt if this new phenomenon continues the ones that get in and out early can make money.
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Post by fei on Feb 1, 2021 14:13:32 GMT 10
There's already discussions from the NYSE about monitoring online 'chatter' when it is linked to stockmarket 'abnormalities'. In English, if this happens again, the 1% will freeze trading on the stock to prevent them from losing money. Wall street only operates when it makes the 'right' people money. "Monitoring online chatter" is how the feds phrase its when talking about monitoring terrorists. I guess that's how the TPTB see these "little guys" who have banded together to jack up Gamestop. I guess it'll be fine as long as they only concentrate on one or two stocks, but if they start playing with a whole lot of stocks and start getting too many pieces of the pie, then LE will come down hard and start locking people up (regardless if any laws have been broken).
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Post by Stealth on Feb 1, 2021 15:00:42 GMT 10
Apparently now silver go brrrrr....
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 1, 2021 16:48:10 GMT 10
I they are winning, all is good, but if the little person can score, this means they have been found out and its time to put the squeeze on the little person and stop them from making a profit.
If it takes infinite energy to accelerate an object to the speed of light, how come the 2 d size batterys in my torch can ? Are they more powerful than I first thought ?
A lecture on time travel will be held yesterday.
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Post by spatial on Feb 1, 2021 18:07:59 GMT 10
There are a few big whales buying into it like an Asian billionaire, Elon Musk posted support. They trader funds that prevented further buying are now facing multiple class action law suits. In history when the ravenous mob combine, no gov has ever been able to stand. Silver is one of the most shorted and manipulated of all stocks, being a physical commodity there is nowhere for the fat cats to hide. Just the online thumbs up on a reddit page has spooked the silver market, no one can purchase physical silver any more. Hehee check the billboards the mob have paid to get erected., mocking the fat cats. Much watch, this is personal and war. www.the-sun.com/news/2240915/gamestop-reddit-army-troll-wall-street-billionaires-banners-billboards/
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Post by spatial on Feb 1, 2021 19:11:27 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Feb 1, 2021 19:35:13 GMT 10
The Perth Mint was out of silver in most types by 4pm. I haven't seen it pop off so much since April last year. We had talked about buying some last week, and managed to get some (at a reasonable price) this arvo but if you were buying rounds you weren't buying cheap. We'd already priced in to buy and this wasn't a "OHHHH SILVER SQUEEZE!" purchase for us. It never is. It's a buy and hold until the market fails and then have physical commodities in hand to protect ourselves.
A lot of people on WSB seem to be arguing that it's a manufactured distraction designed to make people jump ship from GME and go to silver instead. Which is highly possible, but to be honest I don't care if it's the folks wrapped up in commodities shorts or hedge shorts that eat a bag on this one. Neither one has my sympathy. But I do have a decent amount of concern for the fall out of the markets blowing up if this becomes a chain reaction thing.
Now I don't know for certain that it will squeeze. But I DO know that one of the financial advisers that I watch on youtube with a very small fan-base but a very good history of picking the highs and lows said that he thinks it looks like the start of a possible squeeze. He also said that he's recommended to his paying subscribers to buy in. Old mate was successful enough in his market analysis to retire at 55 and literally does this stuff out of interest at this point. He doesn't need paying customers to foot his bills and you can tell that from his videos. So will silver squeeze? Dunno. Doesn't really matter to me in the long run if it doesn't.
But if it DOES...
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Post by milspec on Feb 1, 2021 20:22:29 GMT 10
One bit of investment philosophy I do go by is to consider the fundamentals in choosing what to invest in and when ... not so much reacting to the spin & the hype. I see all the talk as financial information/influence operations.
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Post by norseman on Feb 2, 2021 6:30:01 GMT 10
So I buy an ounce of Silver for $35 and then sell it five days later for $38 how does that make me rich? I just don't get it!
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Post by bug on Feb 2, 2021 7:36:29 GMT 10
Silver is an important metal for many industrial processes due to it being the best electrical conductor. Artificial price spikes are a bad thing in this case.
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Post by doglover on Feb 2, 2021 22:18:24 GMT 10
So I buy an ounce of Silver for $35 and then sell it five days later for $38 how does that make me rich? I just don't get it! Your right about making 3$ on one ounce of silver being no big deal. But there are fund managers out there that can buy huge amounts of it, making it worthwhile. I don’t believe silver will move anything near what GameStop did. It’s a much bigger market the Hunt brothers tried to raise the price of silver years ago. (Yes, the Hunt catsup guys). They bought all the silver they could thinking when it went up in price they would sell and get even richer. They actually got the price I think to around 50$ an ounce. They also got into a lot of legal trouble for attempting to manipulate the market and ended up loosing a ton of money. I don’t know what this current market bounce will end up doing but doubt silver will go up more than 20%. With that being said a 20% gain is pretty darned good in this terribly low interest rate economy were in now. I have a decent amount of silver and will sell if it goes up enough with the intention of rebuying once it drops back down.
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Post by bug on Feb 4, 2021 7:30:03 GMT 10
Disregard the $3 per ounce thing. It's a 10% return in a single week. That is huge.
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