Tri-Polar
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Post by Tri-Polar on Apr 20, 2021 20:23:00 GMT 10
So, if your like me and live out of town, how do you/would you go about contacting emergency services if you really need them.
I dont have phone reception at the best of times inside the house, outside its abit hows it going. 30mins away from town. What are your thoughts on how to get in contact?
I generally have UHF/VHF (without a license) on me the majority of the time. From what i see, most frequencies are dead air as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 20:28:53 GMT 10
Go outside and set off 3 quick shots, some do gooder will hear them and call the cops for you
Or if that fails, light a fire......a BIG fire
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Post by frostbite on Apr 20, 2021 21:22:43 GMT 10
I use a sat phone, because tbere's no reception at the retreat. Bought the phone outright, monthly access is $15. Calls and text charged at normal mobile rates.
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Post by lonewolf on Apr 20, 2021 23:16:22 GMT 10
maybe get a bigger aerial ?
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 21, 2021 8:02:38 GMT 10
You can get a phone/data repeater that has 2 parts, a base station that u place where u are working, and an external station that u place where there is signal. The external station has provision for an external aerial as well, so it would have to be a really bad spot not to be able to get reception. The repeater is limited to 5 users at once, not an issue for home use but a bit of a pain at work situations. We have absolutely no reception at work, not even in the yard, but the repeater with an external 14 element Yagi aerial works well most of the time. I think Telstra screws around with the network at times, causing reception to drop out for no reason though. Its an expensive way to do it, I think it was nearly $1K for the unit, cheaper ones are available, but they didn't work, we tried them all. See yr local Telstra shop.
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Post by Joey on Apr 21, 2021 19:26:01 GMT 10
UHF ch5 is the designated emergency repeater channel. Outside of major centres, it's usually monitored by a few licensed radio operators who will act as your relay.
If using UHF Ch5 for a genuine emergency call, use these call signs and anyone listening will know it's a genuine call.
PAN PAN PAN : non-life-threatening emergency
MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY : life-threatening emergency
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Post by Tri-Polar on Apr 21, 2021 19:59:49 GMT 10
Go outside and set off 3 quick shots, some do gooder will hear them and call the cops for you Or if that fails, light a fire......a BIG fire Neighbors wouldnt bat an eyelid if they heard shots from me. I use a sat phone, because tbere's no reception at the retreat. Bought the phone outright, monthly access is $15. Calls and text charged at normal mobile rates. I had thought about that and also a garmin (with inreach) or a spot x. But outright and subscription might hurt me abit. maybe get a bigger aerial ? Roof mounted 4g antennas for internet (when it works). Also roof mounted UHF/VHF antenna. You can get a phone/data repeater that has 2 parts, a base station that u place where u are working, and an external station that u place where there is signal. The external station has provision for an external aerial as well, so it would have to be a really bad spot not to be able to get reception. The repeater is limited to 5 users at once, not an issue for home use but a bit of a pain at work situations. We have absolutely no reception at work, not even in the yard, but the repeater with an external 14 element Yagi aerial works well most of the time. I think Telstra screws around with the network at times, causing reception to drop out for no reason though. Its an expensive way to do it, I think it was nearly $1K for the unit, cheaper ones are available, but they didn't work, we tried them all. See yr local Telstra shop. Advertising is legalized lying. I have one for a telstra netwrok, but we are on the optus network. Celfi pro with 14DBi directional. But useless for me. Not looking to swap to a telstra network either as data plans are through the roof for costs. UHF ch5 is the designated emergency repeater channel. Outside of major centres, it's usually monitored by a few licensed radio operators who will act as your relay. If using UHF Ch5 for a genuine emergency call, use these call signs and anyone listening will know it's a genuine call. PAN PAN PAN : non-life-threatening emergency MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY : life-threatening emergency Have used pan pan before on a VHF channel when stranded once, but i heard people talking prior. Where i am now i dont hear any chatter except on a monday night. To scared to try channel 5 to see if someone is listening in the area.
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Post by lonewolf on Apr 21, 2021 22:34:25 GMT 10
Have you thought about what might be possible without emergency services?
A book worth a mention is "Where there is no doctor".
Suffice to say, if in a deadly situation like flood,fire and life threatening medical emergencies then comms and emergency services are a must if they are available and i would spare no expense.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 22, 2021 18:50:33 GMT 10
That's what Ham radio is all about in an emergency situation.
If we see you smoking we will assume you are on fire and take the appropriate action.
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Post by greyhat on Apr 24, 2021 7:24:22 GMT 10
Sometimes I've received a better signal by reverting to 3G Instead of 4G in remote or regional areas with marginal reception. Obviously very dependant on what towers are nearby but something easy to try in your mobile settings.
Ham radio is certainly another worthy string to add to your comms bow. Licensed operators are more likely to monitor certain simplex frequencies or repeaters in your area and be able to assist as a relay to emergency services - this is covered in the training/exam and all operators know they must assist if they hear a pan/mayday/request for assistance. You may want to see if there are any ameteur radio repeaters in your area - search google for repeaterbook.
Ameteur operators are also able to utilise other modes, higher power levels and different areas of the spectrum. Lately I have been using a global system called Winlink. This allows me to send an email from a windows laptop to any internet email address through my radio. Specifically I use only 5w-10w of power on HF to send my message to a relay station ~500km away which in turn can forward the email on via the internet. Being able to send email to multiple reliable contacts can help relay any messages. Obviously this all requires costs for license and equipment, training, failing, experimentation etc but it's a great hobby and very practical if you value being able to communicate in adverse conditions.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 24, 2021 10:35:49 GMT 10
Greyhat, the teacher in me is coming out now ! One part of the equation is the getting of suitable radio comms gear, coming to grips with the technology and language, but there is another part, and that is maintenance of the gear. Also, you could lump construction of radio gear in there as well. I believe that its no good just buying equipment, but you should have the knowledge to be able to construct your own gear as well. Most hams just are content to make the aerial systems and perhaps the power supply, solar power the radio etc, but the thrill you get when communicating to someone, even just in the next town, over equipment you have constructed yourself from "junk", just cant be described. Don't underestimate the comfort and satisfaction you get knowing that no matter what the world throws at u, you have the knowledge to construct comms gear to keep in touch with others. After all, we are a society type of people and seek out company...usually anyway. I myself find a peace in knowing I can rebuild or even start from scratch and build gear to talk around the world, its the same feelings of peace that you get when surveying your preps, BHB etc and knowing you are more prepared than 99% of the rest of the world. Its a bit like secret knowledge that only a few select have. Our ham licenses, except for the foundation one, allows u to design and construct your own transmitters, although anyone can design and construct and use a receiver. That's a privalidge that no other branch of society has, its unique to hams. Regenerative receivers and modulated oscillators are simple to make and can be based on valve technology, rendering them mostly EMP/CME resistant. Yes, I have and use commercial gear, but the thrill when talking to another ham, even just in the next town, using such gear is unreal. Its a skill that can fly under the Govts radar. When constructing a project, i am constantly thinking about weather the equipment will be useful after the SHTF and who might be on the other end. Yes, weapons, food, water etc are vital, but knowing what's happening around you will also be a survival necessity. I remember asking a military vet who was our training officer in the Army, what he feared most in Nam, and he answered, "lack of comms, not knowing what was going on or happening around us" The same should concern us. Forewarned is forearmed, guns and ammo are needed, but so is Intel (Intelligence), especially in the initial stages of society's downfall. Establish a network of like minded hams now around you and be ready with yr alternative comms gear, because the World isn't going to get any better. Start listening to short wave stations, working out those that are not badly propagandized, getting a grip on conditions. One thing I am looking forward to is the reduction in interference from power line systems after the fall as there wont be any left operating. The background noise level should radically decrease, making simple home made gear practical. In the 1920's world wide comms was possible with less than 1/2 watt, using AM or CW (Morse code), so it will be again. 100's of watts wont be needed and may just draw attention to yourself from undesirable persons during the falling out. A transmitter capable of delivering 1 watt at any high frequency ham band, would consist of no more than a dozen parts, likewise the receiver, and be tunable as well. Quite within the means to be built from a junked TV set in a morning, but u need the knowledge so get it now. And on that comment, I believe that money will soon be worthless, as will gold and silver, knowledge will be the new currency, in the future. Knowledge to farm, repair/construct farming equipment (Don't underestimate how much effort it takes to grow say potatoes for yr group. Its not easy). Enough or now, got to repair a digital short wave radio I found at the tip for a chap who wants some independent communications receive capability.
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Post by awsumads on Apr 24, 2021 18:49:08 GMT 10
So, if your like me and live out of town, how do you/would you go about contacting emergency services if you really need them.
I dont have phone reception at the best of times inside the house, outside its abit hows it going. 30mins away from town. What are your thoughts on how to get in contact?
I generally have UHF/VHF (without a license) on me the majority of the time. From what i see, most frequencies are dead air as well.
Hi All, I just joined this community today and having a look through the posts. Lots of great comments on regarding alternate communications. Apart from the obvious preparedness, ensuring you have medical supplies, water etc to keep you alive for 24 hrs, a well communicated notification to someone about where you are going and when to expect your return, I would investigate: 1. SAT communicator or Sat Phone - You can get Satelite communicatiors that link to your mobile phone so once your phone goes outside tower coverage it can route messages via sat communicator. This is a great Alternate Comms device beyond Primary Phone and Radio (UHF/VHF), Alternatively a Sat phone can do the same thing but with its own phone number etc for emergencies or communication when outside phone and radio range. 2. PLB (Personal Locator Becon) with GPS - Really this is for Emergency ONLY but if you regularly go SOLO outiside regular comms range and there is a risk of injury or not being able to get back to base/home location this could be a life saver. There is a lot that you can do reduce the need for one of these like letting people know exactly where you are going and when you will be back and having a plan for a rescue party to come look for you if you are not back by a certain time etc. but if SHTF, you get lost somewhere, injured, away from designated track so low change of the people you notified about your plans finding you, a PLB could save your life. Assuming its not End of Days....
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Post by grumble on Apr 24, 2021 19:44:01 GMT 10
I've given up on gimmicks and stick with satellite phones now for emergency contact out in the wilds and it doesn't cost that much to get set up with a unit that will suit most people most of the time. I find it interesting that people shy away at the cost of a serviceable entry level sat phone but will spend twice as much on a new smart phone. I've used mine heavily for a year and used it as my sole contact to the outside world for weeks on end including using it to check in 3 times a day to let people know i was still operational The benefits of a sat phone i feel outweigh the initial cost and yeah you only have to pay $15 a month to maintain connection on some of the plans but here is the important part satellite phones are not equal and price or popularity is not an indication of quality or reliability do your research and importantly sit down and work out what you really want from it and don't over complicate it don't buy a unit that isn't what you need just because some sales guy try's to upscale you to something else here is the unit i use www.telebiz.com.au/product/Thuraya-XT-Lite/9?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=falseits a great unit and so far its survived being bounced around in machinery and tossed on the dash even with thick cloud cover I've not had issues with reception plus if you get the external aerial for it you can have it set up inside like a home phone
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Post by frostbite on Apr 25, 2021 19:17:45 GMT 10
I have the Thuraya XT Lite as well, sms contact no problem, voice calls a bit sketchy at times, but I'm on the skimpy $15 per month plan, which has less satellites in the network.
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