dirtdiva
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 7:23:09 GMT 10
I am curious as many of you are gardeners/farmers if you were just starting out prepping or advising a new prepper what would you prep or advise to prep for growing your own food?
What tools do you keep on hand or advise keeping on hand for the garden including publications?
How do you intend to address soil fertility/ pest control/ preserving the harvest in a survival situation and what do you prep for it?
What crops do you intend to grow and why?
And lastly how would/have you prepared a BOL for gardening in case you have to leave your home?
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 29, 2021 8:07:37 GMT 10
Not just starting out, but have all the usual hand tools, hoe, shovel, mattock, rake as so on. Also, as we expect quite a few of my relations to turn up here WTSHTF and we have been preparing for them with caravan accommodations, I also have a 6 foot rotary hoe and a David Brown Tractor, with lots fuel stored away (stabilized). Water is next, a dam with solar pumping to a large header tank to give gravity feed to the crops. We use miniature pigs, both for fertility and to turn over the garden beds, which after a week or so, are clear of all the grass, roots and ready to plant straight in to. Don't forget bees, get a few hives, learn how to take care of them, spilt into new hives, and of course as well as getting almost 100% pollination, honey is the by product. Makes for good trading item as well. Preserving, we are busy dehydrating as much as possible, with 2 Sunbeam dehydrators running all day, every day. Luckily we are 100% solar powered, so cost is nothing. Also, do some canning as well as a couple of large freezers. Crops, sticking to staples, spuds, carrots, lots of beans, some wheat, and various fruits. Stuff that grows well, and quickly and fills the belly. The usual salad vegies, kale, and such. We make our stand here, if we have to leave, its all turned to s..t and survival will be hard when on the move.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 8:33:07 GMT 10
Sounds like a great set up! Couple questions MWT what is a rotary hoe? Do you use cover crops of any kind? The bee suggestion is a great one. Are you strictly using pigs for fertility or do you store fertilizers/amendments as well? I make my last stand here as well. Just too old to go traipsing around the country. I do own other property with a cabin/shack but do not plan to leave. Your setup is similar to mine except for the pigs.
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Post by drjenner on Aug 29, 2021 8:34:06 GMT 10
Good info, We are ending up selling our home we are in now - 3 acres with an orchard, fruit trees, I had planted corn, potatoes. Chickens with chicken poop for fertilizer (and sawdust). Veggie garden with herbs, berries - we had built a greenhouse for winter growing here in the NW. I was going to work on a rainwater catch system to irrigate the garden, but now that we are moving, I will save that. Husband has a large shop with a bobcat (all the attachments), large tank for fuel, we have a rota-tiller, and of course all the usual hand tools.
On the list is definitely bees - I want to build an outdoor kitchen for canning on the porch so I don't heat up the house in the summer - also so it's easier. Also will try my hand at growing mushrooms once we get into the new place.
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Post by Beno on Aug 29, 2021 8:52:21 GMT 10
I have 2 different mindsets depending on the situation.
1. if it’s economic hardship and not too doomsday everything you, MWT and others are doing is what i’m doing (to a much lessers scale at this stage) and is all totally awesome and appropriate. I am making large amounts of compost out of weeds and hedge trimmings, chook coop waste and unwanted chook scraps from he kitchen. I also use , chook poo pellets, lime, gypsum and rock phosphate for fertiliser but hope to reduce the use of import nutrients. At this stage i just use a mattock, flat blade shovel, small shovel for all my prep and maintenance work.
2. If it goes mad max then i’m changing to small almost “tactical hehe” gardens not easily visible and with plants most emo’s won’t really recognise outside of a beautiful looking ,tilled garden. I’m talking plantings in the bush along natural soak areas or creeks. Things that can survive without love but can still offer rewards like arrowroot, sweet potato, pumpkin, potato, climbing beans, cherry tomatos. just about everything else will give the game away by the amount of care it needs to keep them going. My mad max plan is to live of meat and supplement that with small amounts of fruit and veg and mainly live off bush greens like edible weeds, lomandra, bullrush, nettles etc.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 9:05:14 GMT 10
1. A collection of open pollinated seeds. Not necessarily heirloom or survival but open pollinated. I like to store my seeds in vacuum sealed bags in the freezer and they will usually stay viable for many years with just a few exceptions. I save as many seed as possible every year. 2. Fertility: I stock some soil amendments such as lime, soy bean meal and cotton seed meal for homemade fertilizer. I also stock some standard commercial fertilizer non organic. I keep them in large metal garbage cans in my shed. I stock some sprays such as neem oil and some pyrethrin and bt. I also will compost anything I can get my hands on and plant crops specifically for composting as well as cover crops. I suggest a good manure fork and extra tarps if you plan to compost or either build actual bins. I also have small stock animals for fertility chickens, rabbits and ducks. 3. Tools: Several pruners with a way to sharpen, the normal shovels, a couple good hoes with extra handles and files for sharpening. I do not till but do use a broad fork. I find when you till sandy soil you get concrete. I try to work my soils with a broadfork and use a cover of compost and then mulch and some cover crops. In my beds I like to double dig the soil. 4. Water: I also store rain water specifically for crops but rarely have to rely on it with more than adequate local rainfall as a general rule most of the year. 5. Crops: I grow the crops that traditionally grow well in this area that we like to eat. I plant successive plantings about every 3 weeks of some crops to maintain a steady supply of fresh food from about April to November. I like to plant what grows fast is most nutritious and stores/cans/freezes/dehydrates well. I develop recipes around those crops. I also plant crops for livestock and soil enrichment. I also plant herbs and flowers for both seasoning, drawing pollinators and some medicinal teas. I maintain a wide variety of native and non native fruit trees and bushes. 6. I have a metal greenhouse but do not use it. I do utilize cold frames for season extension. I do not intend to bug out. This is DD's last stand
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Post by frostbite on Aug 29, 2021 10:01:16 GMT 10
I got the water supply sorted, the big acres of cleared river flat sorted, the forested hills to escape into if overrun, a supply of temp fence panels to keep the critters out of a veggie patch, bird netting to keep the birds out, seed and gardening tools. Haven't bought a tractor, the immediate neighbours have all the big machinery and I own the best land. So hopefully we come to an arrangement. You could plant a lot of corn or wheat on those acres.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 29, 2021 16:54:39 GMT 10
Sounds like a great set up! Couple questions MWT what is a rotary hoe? Do you use cover crops of any kind? The bee suggestion is a great one. Are you strictly using pigs for fertility or do you store fertilizers/amendments as well? I make my last stand here as well. Just too old to go traipsing around the country. I do own other property with a cabin/shack but do not plan to leave. Your setup is similar to mine except for the pigs. A rotary hoe is a set of beaters that rotate to break up the soil ready for planting. I have a picture of them, but it wont copy across. We usually sow oats as a green manure crop in winter, let it die back, and plough it in for summer crops. The pigs are there for several reasons, but not food. The main one is to dig up the runner grass and weeds, to make it ready for planting into. The other reason is for fertilizer, although there really isn't much of that as they are kept in large areas, around 3 acres at a time. Weve spent 18 odd years getting ready for this time, have 5 independent off grid solar systems (over 20 kilowatts), plus solar water pumping from the dams, solar hot water, and nearly finished building homes for our grown up kids and my sister and her girls when they escape from Wollongong, near Sydney. Have a fully set up radio room and workshop with enough gear to tackle most on farm jobs, but a lathe would be nice ! I think we will need to be our own first responders when the world collapses, so have our own on farm fire truck and equipment that is all compatible with the RFS gear. Security is an issue, but being a long way from town will help, and I have some home made night vision gear, along with a couple of portable high powered torches that can floodlight an entire paddock in one go, for about 10 mins till the internal battery goes flat. We have enough UHF radios for all expected to be here (Up to 12 or so), and EMP/CME proof Ham comms gear. Looking at buying a new bull to replace old Jerry (short for geriatric !)
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Post by milspec on Aug 29, 2021 19:14:00 GMT 10
There's a lot of wisdom in those posts. As I'm in the middle of setting up new veggie gardens the things I'm needing are lime (Ive got sandy loam soil which is acidic as expected), compost, fertiliser & mulch. I'm shredding old straw with alpaca & sheep manure to create some bio active organic matter and using the loose straw from the lucerne stock feed as mulch. Presently im using dynamic lifter & pelletised chook manure plus some super-phosphate to replenish the leached sandy/loam soil. Oh and I bought a thousand worms to spread amongst the gardens too, I have not sighted a single worm in all the digging Ive done thus far! (That's sad but that's where I'm starting from)
Tool wise shovels, rakes, forks, cultivator rake, watering gear, I also use a rotary hoe (tiller) and a decent wood chipper.
As I set up these new gardens aside from dealing with poor soil I have to protect them from alpacas, kangaroos and a few hares (and some strong winds and occasional frost). Havent got as far as seeing what diseases & pests I'll have to contend with! I suspect its these kind of things that people arent thinking about when they are planning to bug out with a bag full of seeds to some unprepared bush location.
My initial plantings, herbs, corn, peas capsicum, tomatoes, silverbeet, chillies, greens, onions, garlic, pumpkin, lemon, lime, orange, mango, avocado, blue berries, passionfruit, mulberries. Potatoes & sweet potatoes in due course. Would love to grow mushrooms but no experience there.
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Post by milspec on Aug 29, 2021 19:19:57 GMT 10
@frosbite have you had soil tests done? You might need a few tons of lime and fertliser as well as the machines to spread it before the cultivatable land would be productive? Likewise for herbicides & seed.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 21:53:55 GMT 10
I got the water supply sorted, the big acres of cleared river flat sorted, the forested hills to escape into if overrun, a supply of temp fence panels to keep the critters out of a veggie patch, bird netting to keep the birds out, seed and gardening tools. Haven't bought a tractor, the immediate neighbours have all the big machinery and I own the best land. So hopefully we come to an arrangement. You could plant a lot of corn or wheat on those acres. Wow what a view!
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 22:07:26 GMT 10
I have 2 different mindsets depending on the situation. 1. if it’s economic hardship and not too doomsday everything you, MWT and others are doing is what i’m doing (to a much lessers scale at this stage) and is all totally awesome and appropriate. I am making large amounts of compost out of weeds and hedge trimmings, chook coop waste and unwanted chook scraps from he kitchen. I also use , chook poo pellets, lime, gypsum and rock phosphate for fertiliser but hope to reduce the use of import nutrients. At this stage i just use a mattock, flat blade shovel, small shovel for all my prep and maintenance work. 2. If it goes mad max then i’m changing to small almost “tactical hehe” gardens not easily visible and with plants most emo’s won’t really recognise outside of a beautiful looking ,tilled garden. I’m talking plantings in the bush along natural soak areas or creeks. Things that can survive without love but can still offer rewards like arrowroot, sweet potato, pumpkin, potato, climbing beans, cherry tomatos. just about everything else will give the game away by the amount of care it needs to keep them going. My mad max plan is to live of meat and supplement that with small amounts of fruit and veg and mainly live off bush greens like edible weeds, lomandra, bullrush, nettles etc. In response to your tactical hehe garden Beno my husband and I were talking the other day that we both had noticed ironically that our gardening efforts have spread to the surrounding countryside courtesy of the wild life. We are noticing asparagus now in the fencerows and ditches where the birds have sowed it. The surrounding properties are starting to get tomato seedlings coming up again spread by the birds. The other day we spotted elderberry and plum thickets emerging along the forest edges in a couple places on adjacent properties. As the animals steal and carry off fruit and as the birds feast they are doing a nice job of spreading the wealth .
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 29, 2021 22:11:17 GMT 10
There's a lot of wisdom in those posts. As I'm in the middle of setting up new veggie gardens the things I'm needing are lime (Ive got sandy loam soil which is acidic as expected), compost, fertiliser & mulch. I'm shredding old straw with alpaca & sheep manure to create some bio active organic matter and using the loose straw from the lucerne stock feed as mulch. Presently im using dynamic lifter & pelletised chook manure plus some super-phosphate to replenish the leached sandy/loam soil. Oh and I bought a thousand worms to spread amongst the gardens too, I have not sighted a single worm in all the digging Ive done thus far! (That's sad but that's where I'm starting from) Tool wise shovels, rakes, forks, cultivator rake, watering gear, I also use a rotary hoe (tiller) and a decent wood chipper. As I set up these new gardens aside from dealing with poor soil I have to protect them from alpacas, kangaroos and a few hares (and some strong winds and occasional frost). Havent got as far as seeing what diseases & pests I'll have to contend with! I suspect its these kind of things that people arent thinking about when they are planning to bug out with a bag full of seeds to some unprepared bush location. My initial plantings, herbs, corn, peas capsicum, tomatoes, silverbeet, chillies, greens, onions, garlic, pumpkin, lemon, lime, orange, mango, avocado, blue berries, passionfruit, mulberries. Potatoes & sweet potatoes in due course. Would love to grow mushrooms but no experience there. Build the soil and nurture it the rest will fall into place. I have seen some miraculous fertility transformations on properties but it all starts with the soil.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 29, 2021 22:19:02 GMT 10
My garden is small - when I moved here, the soil was very sandy and had bugger all nutrients. 8 yrs of composting, adding more decent soil, manure, compost etc, I actually have worms. Each year is different - one year tomatoes rage, the next not - seasonal, temperatures etc all influence. Last year finally got Basil raging, now Coriander, but I can't get Dill to work. I also grow a LOT in pots/containers, so if I have to, and get the chance, can throw them in the trailer and take to my bol. I don't have a garden there atm, just a few fruit trees and native bush tucker - but hopefully soon I'll get an established garden. Have enough seeds to plant out at least an acre though, and some seeds I've been replenishing for over 20 yrs.
The other garden I have access too, soil is really poor, sandy, no structure - but apparently it was top quality garden soil - yeah right - grows weeds ok, that's about it. Hoping this summer to at least get a good crop in of veggies and some fruit trees too. DD, if you are ever in Oz, you will have a few months work (paid) getting my gardens into shape, and at my bol too.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 30, 2021 20:17:25 GMT 10
Good suggestion re some sharpening tools,like a whetstone and so on.
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