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Post by Tim Horton on Nov 30, 2021 13:31:01 GMT 10
We have found the occasional home canned product that the lid has come unsealed.. Depending on the product, they will have a petre dish look on the top to a full white Santa beard on the product.. Most things go to the chicken yard...
My 2 other experiences was with a can of sweet, caraway sourcrout that rusted a hole in it.. Leaked a little and left a brown stain on the shelf.. The other was a can of store brand tomatoes that had not started to leak, but was kind of swelled like you would imagine a pipe bomb going off in slow motion... I was very careful getting it outside before puncturing it with a 22 rifle.. It made quite a splash...
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Post by tactile on Dec 4, 2021 7:41:39 GMT 10
My 2 other experiences was with a can of sweet, caraway sourcrout that rusted a hole in it.. Leaked a little and left a brown stain on the shelf... I would of thought canning anything fermented would be pushing the boundaries? I've only ever seen and bought sauerkraut in glass here.
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Post by dirtdiva on Dec 6, 2021 0:54:07 GMT 10
My personal preference is anything containing acid or fermented products in jars only. I no longer purchase and store tomato products in metal cans. I try to grow and can all my own tomato products in jars only or frozen or dehydrated. If I do purchase in cans it is to use immediately. Kraut I ferment at home in jars and keep in the fridge. I can grow cabbage here 8 months out of the year. Kraut will keep in the fridge for months no problem. Same with fermented pickles and veggies.
I have canned at home a long time and lids are going to come unsealed occasionally and tin cans are going to fail from time to time. If it is dented or swollen throw it out. If it smells bad throw it out. If it tastes off throw it out. If it looks off throw it out ( discoloration and mold). I try not to buy tab top cans because I do not trust them.
True fermented foods in the states such as kraut can be bought in the refrigerated section of the grocery in sealed plastic bags or in jars. Same with kosher pickles fermented in salt. They can be found in the refrigerator case in both plastic and glass. Pickles and Kraut purchased from the aisles and not refrigerated are products pickled in vinegar and salt solutions and not fermented.
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Post by Tim Horton on Dec 6, 2021 16:31:28 GMT 10
kraut can be bought in the refrigerated section of the grocery in sealed plastic bags or in jars. Same with kosher pickles fermented in salt. === === Now this is interesting... I have never bought kraut in a bag, and never suspected it would be different than in a jar or can.. Will have to try that.. I do go through the occasional craving for kraut, or a salt, or other kind of wilted vegie mix.. Just weird I guess.. Occasionally a small jar of kimchi will tide me over until the next craving.. Unfortunately.. We do not get good kimchi this far north..
I have seen a number of videos of people home canning mixed, salted, veggies using water bath.. This giving the illusion it is shelf stable.. Sweetie saying it is NOT an approved method.. These videos mostly from sounthern Europe, Ukraine and like places..
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Post by Stealth on Dec 6, 2021 17:30:02 GMT 10
Yeah I wouldn't trust a water-bath fermented food as far as I could kick it o.O seems like a risky choice! I make fresh kraut when the whim takes me. It's always better than the jarred stuff. We do have commercial jarred stuff at the supermarkets but it's never quite right for some reason.
I'd offer to send you some good kimchi from down here Tim but it'd probably be so fermented from shipping conditions it'd be liable to explode when it got to you! Lol.
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Post by tomatoes on Dec 26, 2021 17:15:53 GMT 10
My 2 other experiences was with a can of sweet, caraway sourcrout that rusted a hole in it.. Leaked a little and left a brown stain on the shelf... I would of thought canning anything fermented would be pushing the boundaries? I've only ever seen and bought sauerkraut in glass here.
I would expect that canning, which involves high temps to destroy bacteria, would cease the process of fermentation anyway.
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Post by tomatoes on Dec 26, 2021 17:24:28 GMT 10
Yeah I wouldn't trust a water-bath fermented food as far as I could kick it o.O seems like a risky choice! I make fresh kraut when the whim takes me. It's always better than the jarred stuff. We do have commercial jarred stuff at the supermarkets but it's never quite right for some reason. I'd offer to send you some good kimchi from down here Tim but it'd probably be so fermented from shipping conditions it'd be liable to explode when it got to you! Lol. The commercial jarred stuff that sits on the shelf in the supermarket and has a long shelf life has most likely been heat treated - the commercial equivalent of pressure canning. There is probably no point in eating that for probiotics. If you want one that still has the live goodies, it will have a shorter shelf life and be in the fridge section of the store. And - you can water bath a form of pickled veg but only if you are making it highly acidic - you add the measured amount of vinegar. That is an approved method (last time I looked) on all those US govt etc sites that have the up to date canning rules and bu vacola in Australia. You definitely cannot just do veg and salt and then water bath them!!!
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Post by ausprep130 on Mar 21, 2022 22:04:18 GMT 10
i believe food cans are supposed to have a very thin food safe plastic coating on the inside which stops the reaction with the metal.
If cans are dented in anyway it is best not to purchase as this can puncture the plastic lining.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Mar 22, 2022 6:20:09 GMT 10
i believe food cans are supposed to have a very thin food safe plastic coating on the inside which stops the reaction with the metal. If cans are dented in anyway it is best not to purchase as this can puncture the plastic lining. Some cans do, some don't. Buy one, open it. If no lining, think twice about shelf life.
2 things I recommend:
Fish in OIL (not brine or springwater) has never rusted out. Harvest brand (Aus made, eg. Irish stew, steak and veg), these are great quality, and have plastic lining. Again, I have never had one of these go off.
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Post by iceage on Mar 23, 2022 23:07:11 GMT 10
Yep tuna in oil is the go, that manky spring water is probably cheap thai bore water.Saying that though, the oil ive witnessed in some of the john west cans and others are pretty thin oil, seems to be watered down or just very thin oil ?
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Post by peter1942 on Mar 24, 2022 13:32:48 GMT 10
Nearly all of the cans you see on the market shelves are made of steel with a thin coating of tin because tin does not rust.
Damage the can in any way and the tin layer maybe compromised and then the steel will start to rust.
We have been preserving fruit for many years in glass jars with twist top lids and the very few times we have had a failure we can put it down to a faulty lid that has rusted and caused the problem.
We gave up preserving vegetables a number of years ago as we are able to grow a supply of them all year round, no point in spending time and resources when fresh is available.
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