Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 10, 2022 15:28:25 GMT 10
www.ammoland.com/2022/01/wyoming-bear-attack-on-elk-hunters-september-2021/#axzz7HI2SCq2q--- --- I feel many might think I'm to jumpy when it comes to dealing with bear issues.... Well, maybe... Years ago I used to know this country on the east side of US Yellowstone park well.. --- --- This my reply to the post with the link.. Saying the bear had multiple tatoos from previous human encounters..?? Possible reloacated Yellowstone bear with multiple bad habbits..?? A relatively new learned instinct being that gun shots means a gut pile or dead game animal available.. Goodie two shoes condo people getting legislation to stop, restrict predator hunting that keeps predators wary of humans.. A number of bad situations coming together to be a no win for anyone.. Especially the animals.. Ever so tired of seening the same type headline with the seeming deer in the headlight shocked look, like this is the first time this has happened.. Of course it isn't the first time.. People just done't remember, learn from the last time... If or when the media chooses to put the info out.. We have all the above situations up here also.. --- --- Surprised to find this post of support after my post.. --- --- No doubt Tim Horton, and it's hard for me to find any sympathy for the 2 legged idiots that cause trouble for the 4 legged creatures. I almost had a stroke when I heard (and saw the videos) of a few neighbors intentionally putting out a feeding station - FOR BEARS - so they could capture it on their trail cams! Of course these are summer residents from out of state, leaving us to deal with the consequences the rest of the year.  It's those situations that have me cheering on Darwinism in full earnest. lol --- --- I can't think of a good comparison, other than maybe a big salty in you local bilibong.. Am I close ??
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Post by bug on Jan 10, 2022 16:01:04 GMT 10
Humans wiped out Australia's land predators 40,000 years ago. The most deadly would have been the Thylacoleo (think tiger, but marsupial). We have no equivalent of a bear. It's easy to stay away from salties. There are signs in all the tourist areas, and the locals already know to avoid them. The name is a bit deceptive as they will come into fresh water too.
Probably the most dangerous predator in the Australian bush is the escaped hunting dogs that interbred with dingoes. They are effectively fulfilling the role of wolves now.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 10, 2022 19:31:43 GMT 10
Got caught with a dog pack of 6 cross dingo's attacking our cows, with only my single shot Lithgow 22, and facing at least 6 dogs. Luckily, they scarpered at the shot and I found myself reloading whilst backing up. Got wise then and went shopping for a semi auto, but she who must be obeyed didn't want me to get it, so I settled for a magazine fed, bolt action 22 with scope and red dot sights instead. Oh yes, and a noise reducer, u cant call them silencers. And yes, if the rifle comes with it its legal as registered. And a few spare mags as well.
Have had a couple of reports of wild pigs around the river, so might be carrying the 12 g. A 22 just upsets them.
A Planck length is 1.6e-35 of a meter: now, if that doesn't sink in take a look at this analogy. Anything smaller than a Planck length cannot be measured, and “makes no physical sense”.
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Post by bug on Jan 11, 2022 7:53:02 GMT 10
If it's legal where you are, the taurus circuit judge is handy. It takes 5 shots of either .410 or colt 45. Just need to remember which choke you've put in. It's a 5 shot revolver, so slow to reload, but 5 shots should definitely be enough to ward off wild dogs. Accuracy isn't a strong point though. I can hit a basketball sized target out to about 70m with it, though the actual range is obviously much longer than that.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 11, 2022 8:02:52 GMT 10
A bolt action .22 with subsonic ammunition does not require a suppressor. They are accurate to 100m. No need to go through all the hoops trying to get a permit for a prohibited weapon.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 8, 2023 11:22:55 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Aug 8, 2023 13:47:35 GMT 10
Your grizzlies are no match for our drop bears. Drop bears might be smaller but they are heaps nastier. I always carry loaded when I’m on my retreat, just in case.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 9, 2023 20:40:12 GMT 10
I'm thinking if the poxy hunters had killed the Elk on the spot with a proper shot the entire bear encounter would not have happened. So many US hunters seem to tote huge calibre rifles around and can't use them effectively. I can't imagine a bull elk is tougher than a Feral Bull camel and I killed heaps of the latter with a single round from a .308 or with head shots even a .243. I've even taken down running camels with shots to the back of the head from a .243 on quite a few occasions. Mostly because I have the skills and take the time to get close before opening fire and keep really calm when the trigger squeezing starts.
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Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 18, 2023 4:21:16 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 18, 2023 9:16:01 GMT 10
A 12 g with solid shot can take down a feral pig, easily done. Simple, cheap solution.
Id like to apologize to anyone I haven't offended yet, I will get to you shortly !
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Post by spinifex on Aug 21, 2023 16:39:47 GMT 10
Yep. I've read that more elephants have been dropped with .303 British and 7.92 Mauser than all the magnums combined. I'm sure a single well placed .223 bullet at sensible range will drop a deer every time. |
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 21, 2023 16:43:54 GMT 10
Ive been looking at some ballistics tests on U tube with 12 g shotgun.
Don't underestimate the damage that a 12 G solid shot can do out to 50 meters.
Even a cut down 12 G buckshot round can put a hole in a 18 mm plywood sheet at 50 meters.
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 23, 2023 9:14:31 GMT 10
A couple results of many from a simple you tube search of 12ga gel tests..
When ever I was in the ...bear bush... or moving around the farm buildings at night I carried a 20" smooth bore riot barrel on a Remington 870 12ga with slugs and a good light mounted ahead of the magazine tube.. Occasionally I carried an SKS with soft point ammo when I finely got a barrel mount bracket for my flash light... Lets just say both platforms worked well for my needs at the time...
Every ones experience will be different..
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 23, 2023 10:16:23 GMT 10
Theres a reason that the humble 12 g is a prohibited weapon in warfare....If u wanted one in Vietnam, you got one sent from home, plus ammo to suit.
Always have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 12, 2023 9:11:34 GMT 10
In the last 2-3 days, I saw a 1 minute video of a grizzly bear mauling a bear hunting dog.. Luckily the dog had an armor vest as use on bear dogs.. I have no idea the location of this encounter... The video was shot from over the shoulder of a hunter that only had a shot at the bears hind quarters..
In that kind of situation if that is the only shot you have ...you take it... The hunter shot the bear through the hind quarters at about 15-20 meters and when the bear released the dog the hunter shot the bear through the head... In my experience the bear would go about 150+ kilo... Coincidentally The hunter was using an SKS...
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Post by Stealth on Sept 12, 2023 19:26:06 GMT 10
They have armour vests for bear dogs?! I mean, it makes perfect sense. I'd just never thought of such a thing. I wonder if people with pig dogs use them. But I definitely would never judge someone who has a lived experience or understanding of bears for their views or responses. Being Aussies, we're pretty well versed in "If it's alive, it's probably got a vested interest in either killing you or maiming you if only for self-protection"! Wildlife is wild. We tend to stay away from the things that we know will want us dead and just as many that possibly might just because they look cute and have to prove themselves. Roos can gut a person in a heartbeat if you either go into their territory or give them a fright. Bears are a pretty scary concept that's worth being wary about in my humble opinion.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 12, 2023 19:59:51 GMT 10
Pig dogs have protective vests. And radio trackers.
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