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Post by Beno on Jun 2, 2022 17:11:52 GMT 10
They have tried to train us to get jabbed, show ID whenever leaving house, dob in people, stay home, distrust alternative opinion, prepare for food shortages but not to stockpile, panic buy, prepare for austerity, not eat meat, price increases....it goes on. I call it training to get used to 3rd world living.
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Post by protoss on Jun 2, 2022 17:25:12 GMT 10
They have tried to train us to get jabbed, show ID whenever leaving house, dob in people, stay home, distrust alternative opinion, prepare for food shortages but not to stockpile, panic buy, prepare for austerity, not eat meat, price increases....it goes on. I call it training to get used to 3rd world living. I completely agree with you.
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Post by bug on Jun 2, 2022 18:02:08 GMT 10
Who would have thought that selling our gas overseas at miniscule prices would come back to bite us.
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Post by spatial on Jun 2, 2022 23:43:49 GMT 10
There is a global energy crisis, no more gas drilling, coal mines closed and new mines mostly prevented.
Coil price at all time hig h ($USD 412/tonne), as well as natural gas. Oil price rising like crazy. They are trying to bring the fuel price down as will impact US mid term election.
Trade wars, now protectionism, keeping food and fuel/gas and banning exports. Next economic collapse as inflation gets the debt bubbles, then global war. It is all unravelling very fast. Cold snaps, heat waves in US expect power outages,
Almost glad labour won the election, they will now sit with the baby and be blamed for the mess.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jun 3, 2022 9:14:39 GMT 10
Who would have thought that selling our gas overseas at miniscule prices would come back to bite us. I heard recently that Western Australian natural gas prices are capped at a percentage more than the cost to extract it and must be lower than the export price, where as Eastern Australia is not capped and there is no restriction on the sale price for domestic use. And to add further insult, the cost for domestic users in Eastern Australia is more than the export sale price. I haven't found any info to confirm it. Anybody know if it is true or not? And if so, what the percentages are?
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Post by Beno on Jun 3, 2022 18:58:17 GMT 10
Who would have thought that selling our gas overseas at miniscule prices would come back to bite us. I heard recently that Western Australian natural gas prices are capped at a percentage more than the cost to extract it and must be lower than the export price, where as Eastern Australia is not capped and there is no restriction on the sale price for domestic use. And to add further insult, the cost for domestic users in Eastern Australia is more than the export sale price. I haven't found any info to confirm it. Anybody know if it is true or not? And if so, what the percentages are? It is true. WA has 15% domestic production set aside. Idon't know the name. East coast ket in the multis who set the contracts and price when johnny h was in power. However at some stage the CSG could not meet contracted supply so they sourced gas for export from Bass strait which was our traditional local supply. This screwed our local market.
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Post by bug on Jun 4, 2022 12:40:27 GMT 10
Who would have thought that selling our gas overseas at miniscule prices would come back to bite us. I heard recently that Western Australian natural gas prices are capped at a percentage more than the cost to extract it and must be lower than the export price, where as Eastern Australia is not capped and there is no restriction on the sale price for domestic use. And to add further insult, the cost for domestic users in Eastern Australia is more than the export sale price. I haven't found any info to confirm it. Anybody know if it is true or not? And if so, what the percentages are? Can confirm. Gas is traded as a commodity in the eastern states the same way electricity is. There's no cap on the price unless a force majeure is declared. WA is not in the national market like that. So what happens is that the gas peaker generators that normally trim the top off electricity price spikes don't operate as much due to the gas price spike. The solution as always is to get solar panels and an EV/battery system for your house, whilst storing supplies that would be affected by these commodity prices.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 4, 2022 12:55:31 GMT 10
On the radio thursday, an employee from Santos mentioned that we can be completely self sufficient for gas. But, there are capped gas wells everywhere, but, the Greens will cause a big political stir and it won't happen. They hate coal & gas, so are pushing harder for renewables.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 4, 2022 13:04:19 GMT 10
This is absolutely the reason that we're looking at a solar system with a good battery to help insulate us from future price rises. It's definitely going to cost a lot to install but the reality is that it'll be a cost well spent when electricity starts to cost more than raising a child -.-
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 4, 2022 13:12:48 GMT 10
Go the whole way, totally off grid and give these pesky polies the flick forever.
I'm going to speak my mind as I have nothing to lose.
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Post by bug on Jun 4, 2022 13:35:56 GMT 10
On the radio thursday, an employee from Santos mentioned that we can be completely self sufficient for gas. But, there are capped gas wells everywhere, but, the Greens will cause a big political stir and it won't happen. They hate coal & gas, so are pushing harder for renewables. As they should. Renewables are cheap and reliable. Interesting that as preppers we always say to install solar and battery and go off grid, but some people burst a vein in their forehead at the suggestion that the country as a whole should do the same thing.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jun 7, 2022 13:59:52 GMT 10
It is said, energy prices through the roof.. Now there are more and more threats to availability.. Supposedly in places in California US, gas is higher priced than the minimum wage... Look for that to be an inflation buster... --- --- They have tried to train us to get jabbed, show ID whenever leaving house, dob in people, stay home, distrust alternative opinion, prepare for food shortages but not to stockpile, panic buy, prepare for austerity, not eat meat, price increases....it goes on. I call it training to get used to 3rd world living. --- --- As long as this training applies to the greenies and such that keep taking a hard line approach to not allowing anything to ease the crisis, let them sit and look at there soy latte machines that there is no power to run..
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Post by Joey on Jun 7, 2022 17:09:07 GMT 10
The problem with the system, is our coal-powered plants are not equipped to be able to withstand the varied influx of the wind and solar systems that have been plugged into the system causing the base load generators to fluctuate in their output. Because most of the generator units are older units they can't handle a variable ramping throughout the day in their cycles and burn out quicker. Add to that the power companies that manage the coal plants have been scrimping and saving wherever possible on maintenance to save a few bucks and no it's biting them in the arse. Currently, there has a couple of coal plants that have a generator or 2 offline for maintenance, one of the ones here in Qld blew out a month ago and is estimated to take up to 6mths for it to be back online again due to the huge damage caused.
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Post by bug on Jun 10, 2022 11:39:05 GMT 10
There's no requirement at all for coal generators to fluctuate their output. When this happens it's a direct result of the price that the power plant owners bid into the market. It's a problem of their own making. You can't make money operating in the electricity market by running obsolete equipment into the ground, then complain when a competitor comes along and starts eating into your profit margins. If coal plants need to run at a temporary loss to prevent a reduction in output, that's their call. Nobody elses.
Blaming renewables is a scapegoat for these guys. All new renewables plants are required to put in reactive plant like statcoms and syncons to adhere to system stability requirements that the coal generators never had to meet. Practically every new renewable generator is installing a large battery or at least allowing for it. Coal generators want their cake and eat it too, then blame someone else if occasionally it tastes like shit.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 10, 2022 11:54:59 GMT 10
The price of elecrikery doesn't really concern us totally off gridders, but the flow on to food and fuel etc prices is real.
All power systems need a reserve of spinning energy to overcome the changes in demand, and as the amount of iron in an alternator is huge, the magnetic field coils take a finite time to adjust the field strength of the excitation to match the load.
Just a thought.....Why cant we pump water up in the snowy scheme during the day using the renewables, then let it run back through the turbines and generate during peak hour ? If I recall, that's what the scheme was originally designed for in the 50's, as peak load shedding capacity. Hydro can be started and stopped within minutes, even less if its already up to speed, and would stabilize the whole grid ? Answer, because its not being used to stabilize the grid but provide base load energy 'cause its cheap and more profit can be made using it that way.
Follow the money, as in everything concerned with corporations and Government jokers.
I'm not nearly think as confused you i think am...
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Post by bug on Jun 10, 2022 12:13:43 GMT 10
As hydro has high MW capacity but low MWh capacity, it is generally used sparingly. The 'baseload' hydro dams are ones whose primary purpose is agriculture. Hydro is terrible for spinning reserve, and wasted if used in that role. Pumped hydro can be very useful, though it means you need two dams, not one. The flood of syncons being installed is providing the new spinning reserve these days.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 10, 2022 12:23:11 GMT 10
When I was working at BHP, (Australian Iron and Steel) at Port Kembla, we had the capability to generate enough electricity to just run the plants, but we also had an interconnect agreement with the SEC to supply mega watts,cant remember how much, at short notice to support the grid. Also, the Ilgner generating set at the Slab Mill could pull the entire grid of NSW by about 1/2 cycle on overloads, and indeed, when starting it from a down day, Power /control had to notify the Commission an hour or so before starting to enable them to put more generation on line. The grid is more resilient now though, and solid state electronics has taken the place of motor/generator sets for speed control. Synchronous capacitors are used for power factor correction nowadays, because the response time for the control gear is faster due to the use of solid state and digital controls. No longer is a little man standing there turning a big wheel to control the steam !!
I'm not tense, just terribly alert.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 14, 2022 13:20:19 GMT 10
aemo.com.au/market-noticesFor anyone that's interested, there's been several market releases put out recently by AEMO (Australian Energy Market Operator) stating that NSW & QLD have minimum power reserves lower than the anticipated needs for the regions. That means that minimum amount that they have available is below the how much they expect to be required. I don't know how much the minimum amount varies from the maximum amount, but looking at the forecasts for available minimums vs expected needs, it appears that the gulf is wide for almost every notice that's been submitted. What does this mean for folks in NSW & QLD if you're not off grid? Get out your warmest of warm blankets, charge up your power banks/batteries/power boxes, have candles and torches with charged batteries ready to go, consider any items that might need power during an emergency in the period (like mobile phones, medical devices etc), and check on your elderly, sick, or families with very young children to see if they have prepared just in case. The cold will be the biggest issue for many and while we can rug up with extra blankets an elderly person living alone or someone that's physically restricted might need some help to get set up so that everything's within reach and pre-organised for them. I'm hopeful that no one here has to worry about a period without electricity (yes yes, most of you are probably not reliant on the grid but a few of us are) because it's likely that it will only be a few hours if we're even impacted at all, and all that has to happen is using preps that are already there. I feel pretty confident that these kind of situations will keep happening so I'm doing the rounds with all my battery charging now. If you ARE off grid and don't have to worry about it, maybe use the time to contact your friends and family to make sure that they're aware that there's a possibility of service disruptions so that they can get ready too.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 14, 2022 14:38:04 GMT 10
And don't forget some cash, because when there's no power there's also no EFTPOS or ATM
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