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Post by Stealth on Jun 25, 2022 10:24:57 GMT 10
Let me start this with I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON ABORTION.
What I am interested in, is what do you think is going to be coming in the next few weeks or months as a result of the overturn. The social repercussions of the outcome could be far reaching. We've seen the unrest that's happened in the US over the last couple of years over social issues and this one is massive.
Literally half of a country suddenly has become disenfranchised I can't imagine that this will be something that blows over.
So question. What do you see coming out of this? There's been a bit of noise recently about Trump possibly running again, and I suspect this particular move will embolden the far right in a way that it hasn't been before. Could the leftists that picked Biden as the 'lesser evil' be angered that their choices didn't make any difference and make them swing towards voting for Trump if he were to run again? What do you think that means for the rest of us, given that Trump is known for slinging fighting words (little rocket man, anyone? I still giggle over that comment lol).
What's next?
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 25, 2022 10:56:19 GMT 10
Civil WW3 in America.
If your ship doesn't come in, swim out to it !
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Post by Beno on Jun 25, 2022 16:19:04 GMT 10
If it hasn’t popped yet then i don’t think it will. I suspect a vocal minority won’t be happy but most of everyone else will move on.
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Post by tactile on Jun 25, 2022 16:35:38 GMT 10
Extreme feminists will go bonkers. Happy clappers will rejoice. I suspect there will be maneuvers behind the scenes within the democrats to get it reversed. Middle class and up will just go across the border(s) for the procedure.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jun 25, 2022 16:36:37 GMT 10
Unfortunately.... I see this as a ...pass the buck.... kind of thing by the court.. That in the form of ...let the states decide individually...
It will not take much for individual states, areas of states to pass strict rules against abortion, making it like it was for a long time.. That being women having to travel to other places where medical care is available.. Or using unsafe medical care.. I have a feeling there will be a surge in women being hurt or dyeing... Hitting those with limited resources the worst.. In the very late stages of my mothers life she told there was a girl from her graduating class 1937 as I recall that died from poor medical care over this...
Seemingly all for buying votes from those with an agenda..??
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Post by Joey on Jun 25, 2022 18:44:59 GMT 10
I reckon that we'll see an increase in riots peaceful protests once they mobilise things, as the same person (soros) who seems to send a lot of funding to the riot groups is also a significant funder of planned parenthood which appears to be prominent go-to place for abortions and would be a massive income stream for him
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Post by dirtdiva on Jun 25, 2022 23:36:35 GMT 10
What do you see coming from this. Social unrest at the least. Just as there was violent protest over the legalization there will be violent protest over the reversal. Eventually it will lose the limelight and something will take it's place though. Predominantly democratic strongholds such as California, Oregon, and Washington will continue to allow abortion and people will simply drive there to receive treatment. Those hardest hit will be the poor and disenfranchised women who will again resort to the backstreet butchers and lives will still be lost. Maybe just in a different demographic but lives none the less.
Trump 2.0 I don't see it. The democrats have kept him in a defensive posture for most of the first 2 years of this term while they have investigated even the past investigations to death. Meanwhile back in the real world Americans are dealing with record braking inflation, high gas prices, crippling shortages and a diminishing food supply with drought condition over almost half the country. And this after dealing with 2 years of Covid. Sooner or later the American people are going to blow and it should be interesting to see if that will play out in the streets or the voting polls.
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Post by spatial on Jun 25, 2022 23:59:30 GMT 10
US supreme court also overturned gun law for open carry. Another blow to democrats. There are a number of other issue on the go, civil war will be between blue and red states. After the economy goes it will be open warfare in the US streets. The republicans will easily win the mid term elections and take control of both houses. There is already a low scale war with record homicides and lawlessness, where people just walk into a supermarket and take what they want and walk out the cops don't even bother arresting them.. The flood of illegal immigrants on the Mexican border is another ongoing war,,,.. Supreme Court strikes down N.Y. law that restricts concealed carrying of gunswww.npr.org/2022/06/23/1102995474/supreme-court-opinion-guns
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Post by spatial on Jun 26, 2022 1:18:52 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Jun 28, 2022 14:53:21 GMT 10
Funny how those who just spent the last two years mocking and persecuting anyone wanting bodily autonomy are now out marching in the streets. "My body, my choice...but only when it suits my political agenda."
I have no real view either way on the abortion issue, but pointing out blatant hypocrisy is always a good sport.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 2, 2022 22:16:16 GMT 10
Funny how those who just spent the last two years mocking and persecuting anyone wanting bodily autonomy are now out marching in the streets. "My body, my choice...but only when it suits my political agenda." I have no real view either way on the abortion issue, but pointing out blatant hypocrisy is always a good sport. Are there? Or is that just an assumption? I haven't seen any evidence of individuals with that kind of blatant hypocrisy. Not saying they aren't, just that I haven't seen any actual evidence of that. I'm sure there's a few out there. It'd be surprising if there wasn't. I just wouldn't make an assumption like that without seeing evidence. But it really isn't the same thing. Abortion affects those directly involved. The mother, the pregnancy, the father. That's it. Our vaccination status affects anyone that we come in contact with. I'm not saying that I think either one is right or wrong. Again, personal morals aside here. I just don't think the two are equal. With abortion the brutal reality is that it kills only one no matter whether one is pro-choice or pro-life. Non-vaccination can kill many. And I'm not referring specifically to covid. That relates to any illness preventable with vaccination. I reckon you'd be right and there's a few Karens there who don't care about anyone's rights but their own. But those types exist in both camps. Two negatives don't make a positive after all.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 2, 2022 23:36:51 GMT 10
Yesterday while out and about driving I listened to quite a bit of radio. Warnings out already about scams asking for money supposedly to help all these women who are having babies and can't get abortions. What concerns me about the Roe v. Wade is the banter I see blatantly looking to punish women. I see that quite a bit and surprisingly with both women and men spouting it.
What I think is deplorable is all the concern right now for all these unborn children while the US child welfare system is in deplorable shape. With almost half a million children already born lingering in foster care and many of those with no hope of adoption. They will picket and march and argue but what about adopting a child that needs a home. Isn't that a novel concept to actually do something that makes a positive difference. I would love to see a little of that moral indignation for child victims of pornography, sex trafficking of children and the multitude of other crimes perpetrated on the children already born as well. They do not seem to be on anyone's agenda at the moment.
Just a personal rant.
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Post by grumble on Jul 3, 2022 8:43:49 GMT 10
Yesterday while out and about driving I listened to quite a bit of radio. Warnings out already about scams asking for money supposedly to help all these women who are having babies and can't get abortions. What concerns me about the Roe v. Wade is the banter I see blatantly looking to punish women. I see that quite a bit and surprisingly with both women and men spouting it. What I think is deplorable is all the concern right now for all these unborn children while the US child welfare system is in deplorable shape. With almost half a million children already born lingering in foster care and many of those with no hope of adoption. They will picket and march and argue but what about adopting a child that needs a home. Isn't that a novel concept to actually do something that makes a positive difference. I would love to see a little of that moral indignation for child victims of pornography, sex trafficking of children and the multitude of other crimes perpetrated on the children already born as well. They do not seem to be on anyone's agenda at the moment. Just a personal rant. The great thing about espousing moral outrage is for most people they never have to deal with the consequences of what they are actively advocating. The multitude of turn a blind eye hypocrisy is a clear sign of how cheap soap boxes are to buy these days and social media gives a voice to people that sometimes really don't need to be heard. I once met a great example of the paradox of modern society an individual that was anti gun and pro choice I politely asked them why they were anti gun and their answer was Because guns kill children i asked about the pro choice in a respectful manner and their answer was Because a woman should have the right to choose if they want to have a baby or not regardless of the reason they should be allow to terminate an unwanted pregnancy It was at that point i realized that so many people actually don't care they just like being morally outraged by whatever is the flavor of the month Personally i have no real opinion on the issue for a start its America's issue not ours but the core issue itself should remain between the parties actively involved in the situation which includes but not limited to the woman , the man and the qualified health officials and yes i do recognize that there are cases where the male participant should be removed from the situation due to legal issues not just limited to sexual assault but also trying to pressure the woman to terminate due to preferred baby gender and so on. I will say though i have seen several men absolutely destroyed because their partner went ahead with a termination against their wishes so there is always a lot of factors in the the situation that need to be thoroughly explored by the stakeholders but peoples personal or religious views are not one of them end rant
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Post by grumble on Jul 3, 2022 9:07:35 GMT 10
Funny how those who just spent the last two years mocking and persecuting anyone wanting bodily autonomy are now out marching in the streets. "My body, my choice...but only when it suits my political agenda." I have no real view either way on the abortion issue, but pointing out blatant hypocrisy is always a good sport. Are there? Or is that just an assumption? I haven't seen any evidence of individuals with that kind of blatant hypocrisy. Not saying they aren't, just that I haven't seen any actual evidence of that. I'm sure there's a few out there. It'd be surprising if there wasn't. I just wouldn't make an assumption like that without seeing evidence. But it really isn't the same thing. Abortion affects those directly involved. The mother, the pregnancy, the father. That's it. Our vaccination status affects anyone that we come in contact with. I'm not saying that I think either one is right or wrong. Again, personal morals aside here. I just don't think the two are equal. With abortion the brutal reality is that it kills only one no matter whether one is pro-choice or pro-life. Non-vaccination can kill many. And I'm not referring specifically to covid. That relates to any illness preventable with vaccination. I reckon you'd be right and there's a few Karens there who don't care about anyone's rights but their own. But those types exist in both camps. Two negatives don't make a positive after all. while i probably shouldn't comment on this but i do have to agree to a point with Bug You can't really pick and chose when bodily autonomy applies it either does or it doesn't for everyone See myself i think the precedent has been set now so anytime a new thing comes along your bodily autonomy will be thrown in the bin and you will be lined up and injected with whatever is needed to prevent many needless deaths So now how about we go the other way now and line up all genders that haven't received the appropriate training and certification to reproduce and inject them with birth control and if they don't we cut off access to service and facilities until they meet their social obligations of mandatory birth control This would effectively prevent a great deal of deaths via terminations , medical issues and suicides plus prevent a great deal of costs on society from the down stream effect of unwanted,unloved and abused children because they would never exist to begin with its a win win for the greater community really no more issues with childhood poverty no undesirables reproducing because lets face it they'll never be motivated to get the training and certification nor be economically viable to provide the appropriate level of education , housing and healthcare to produce productive contributing child for the system who gets to decide who fit to have children it doesn't matter its for the greater good
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Post by bug on Jul 3, 2022 12:02:13 GMT 10
Funny how those who just spent the last two years mocking and persecuting anyone wanting bodily autonomy are now out marching in the streets. "My body, my choice...but only when it suits my political agenda." I have no real view either way on the abortion issue, but pointing out blatant hypocrisy is always a good sport. Are there? Or is that just an assumption? I haven't seen any evidence of individuals with that kind of blatant hypocrisy. Not saying they aren't, just that I haven't seen any actual evidence of that. I'm sure there's a few out there. It'd be surprising if there wasn't. I just wouldn't make an assumption like that without seeing evidence. But it really isn't the same thing. Abortion affects those directly involved. The mother, the pregnancy, the father. That's it. Our vaccination status affects anyone that we come in contact with. I'm not saying that I think either one is right or wrong. Again, personal morals aside here. I just don't think the two are equal. With abortion the brutal reality is that it kills only one no matter whether one is pro-choice or pro-life. Non-vaccination can kill many. And I'm not referring specifically to covid. That relates to any illness preventable with vaccination. I reckon you'd be right and there's a few Karens there who don't care about anyone's rights but their own. But those types exist in both camps. Two negatives don't make a positive after all. The hypocrisy started very early on during the medical apartheid period. The wokeists made it very clear that 'my body my choice' was something that they only wanted to apply on issues that matched their opinion. fpyouthcollab.org/our-content/op-eds/human-rights/my-body-my-choice-how-the-feminist-slogan-has-been-twisted-into-an-anti-mask-chant/The principle is the same and the slogan can equally apply to both, albeit the issues themselves are very different. Both issues definitely affect more than just the affected individual. When an unvaccinated individual is discriminated against, their family is too. This can take the form of loss of family income, being forced to choose whether or not to leave one person behind when travelling etc. When the discussion of an abortion comes up, it affects at an absolute minimum the mother and the baby, though most likely close family also (again, no argument for or against, just a statement of who is affected.)
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Post by bug on Jul 3, 2022 12:08:06 GMT 10
The line has clearly been crossed in the past two years. It's no co-incidence at all that roe vs wade has been overturned immediately after such a large proportion of the public failed to stand up and join the biggest bodily autonomy protests that we've ever seen. A big enough fight could have been a uniting moment and scared the republican nominees away from trying this. But instead, they just showed how easily 'divide and conquer' could be implemented.
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Post by rastus on Jul 9, 2022 23:27:29 GMT 10
I don't think it is a coincidence that 2 major flashpoint issues in the USA were reignited, just as it was becoming obvious that the economy was being deliberately driven off a cliff.
First rule of power: make sure the common people hate each other more than those in control.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 9:12:14 GMT 10
I don't think it is a coincidence that 2 major flashpoint issues in the USA were reignited, just as it was becoming obvious that the economy was being deliberately driven off a cliff. First rule of power: make sure the common people hate each other more than those in control. So true. "Hey guys, the western world has just trashed its economy over the flu. Better get people fighting each other so they don't fight us."
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2022 10:51:02 GMT 10
Very true. Get people fighting amoungst themselves and you'll never have them looking at what you're doing behind the curtain.
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