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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 5, 2022 16:08:25 GMT 10
I see a number of videos of how to home pressure can potatoes... A number of people feeling there will be shortages of potatoes this season..
Don't know there reasons for thinking this, unless it is just seasonal drought, lack of chemicals for fungus and bug control for commercial producers... Obviously price has gone up, as it has on most everything else.. No obvious shortages in this area... So far ...knock on wood...
Facts, details, thoughts... ?? ??
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 6, 2022 0:13:36 GMT 10
Potatoes are one of those things commonly canned in the South either home grown or purchased. They are inexpensive, easy to can and last a very long time. People no longer have root cellars for storage and in most locations the ground water is too high for underground root cellars. They are also very easily dehydrated in both slices and shredded as well as instant mashed potatoes. In my more temperate climate I store some of mine in rodent proof wire cages in the dark, dry crawlspace under my house. Any that I nick with the potato fork or have blemishes when I dig I either can or dehydrate for use later. I like you have not really heard of a potato shortage though. Who knows anymore? Although I did hear many complaints that seed potatoes became hard to come by last year around here.
Perhaps a better choice for the deep south IMHO is the sweet potato. Stores better and tends to be less susceptible to wilts and fungal infections. Greens are edible, actually does better in the traditional southern poorer soils and grows better in southern heat and high humidity. At my Tennessee mountain home I store seasoned sweet potatoes in the dark under the beds in bins. There they keep all winter no problem with plenty to start slips the following spring. Any left over come spring I cook, puree and dehydrate as a fruit leather type product mixed with maple syrup and cinnamon. Dried like this it makes a great backpack/snack food. Swet potatoes can also be canned in chunks.
As a kid I remember my Dad talking about surviving the Great Depression on sweet potatoes and venison.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 6, 2022 8:31:31 GMT 10
We dehydrate spuds, carrots and so on, almost everything. The big advantage of dehydrating is the space saving. A 2 kg bag of frozen carrots, dehydrates down to 3/4 jam jar. (Frozen vegies are already blanched, cheap, and easily available). We started using a solar dehydrator, and I made delicious fruit strips that were gone as soon as they were dry ! No chance to store anything ! We have 2 round, el chepo 240 volt dryers that work OK, if time consuming as they can take a day and a half to dehydrate properly. Now have a 10 shelf, unit that does twice as much in 3/4 the time, on good days. Runs perfectly from the solar system (Takes around 1/2 kw continuously), and has a timer built in. Plenty of offerings on the net. Yes, seed spuds were difficult to get, but u gota be lucky sometimes. Went to Norco for some feeds and there was a huge box of seed spuds for a few $/kg. Waited in line and in that 5 minutes, almost the entire 100 kg box went. Still managed to get 10 kg of them though. Sweet potatoes grow well here almost all year round. Dehydrate well, and will keep for months in a dark place, say your wallet ! She who must be obeyed is going to experiment with dehydrating meat as soon as the weather gets a bit better. Then comes eggs, and anything else from the garden. The dehydrated vegies work very well in fried rice, and its a nutritious dish that can be made from most of your own garden produce, apart from the homemade chicken stock that we make from chicken carcasses from the butchers that are cheap. (Render them down for a few hours when the wood stove is on, most days now). Fuel run to town today, bye bye $500 +.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 6, 2022 12:05:46 GMT 10
We dehydrate spuds, carrots and so on, almost everything. The big advantage of dehydrating is the space saving. A 2 kg bag of frozen carrots, dehydrates down to 3/4 jam jar. (Frozen vegies are already blanched, cheap, and easily available). We started using a solar dehydrator, and I made delicious fruit strips that were gone as soon as they were dry ! No chance to store anything ! We have 2 round, el chepo 240 volt dryers that work OK, if time consuming as they can take a day and a half to dehydrate properly. Now have a 10 shelf, unit that does twice as much in 3/4 the time, on good days. Runs perfectly from the solar system (Takes around 1/2 kw continuously), and has a timer built in. Plenty of offerings on the net. Yes, seed spuds were difficult to get, but u gota be lucky sometimes. Went to Norco for some feeds and there was a huge box of seed spuds for a few $/kg. Waited in line and in that 5 minutes, almost the entire 100 kg box went. Still managed to get 10 kg of them though. Sweet potatoes grow well here almost all year round. Dehydrate well, and will keep for months in a dark place, say your wallet ! She who must be obeyed is going to experiment with dehydrating meat as soon as the weather gets a bit better. Then comes eggs, and anything else from the garden. The dehydrated vegies work very well in fried rice, and its a nutritious dish that can be made from most of your own garden produce, apart from the homemade chicken stock that we make from chicken carcasses from the butchers that are cheap. (Render them down for a few hours when the wood stove is on, most days now). Fuel run to town today, bye bye $500 +. Its a fine line between fishing and standing still. I have also dehydrated frozen vegetables with great success. Problem is they are becoming harder to come by. My go to frozen vegetables could be bought by 5 pound bags for $5.98 a bag pre covid. Post covid they just are not on the shelves. They are still $5.98 a bag but the bag now only holds 3 pounds and the quality of the vegetables has been greatly reduced. I store my dehydrated veggies in mylar with 02 absorbers then into 5 gallon buckets with gamma lids. I use them in casseroles, fried rice, meat pies and soups. The only meat I have dehydrated was ground beef and also venison jerky. Both turned out well though. I have also successfully dehydrated eggs as well as froze them. I can quite a bit of meat in jars as well as freeze it. I also can large amounts of homemade soups in jars. It is very convenient to be able to pop a lid and have home cooked food instantly just heat. I raise my own chickens and also do chicken broth but I can mine in jars. As I rotate hens out the old hens are put into jars with broth and the carcass cooked down for additional broth and both are canned in jars. I also smoke my own meat.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 6, 2022 17:16:04 GMT 10
I've always wondered at the value of dehydrating fruit and veg. From my understanding they loose about half of their nutrition value that way. Is it better to store canned products or is the nutrition about the same?
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 7, 2022 1:28:37 GMT 10
I've always wondered at the value of dehydrating fruit and veg. From my understanding they loose about half of their nutrition value that way. Is it better to store canned products or is the nutrition about the same? From what I have read the best at retaining their nutrients is fresh of course then freezing as far as retaining nutrients. Then from what I understand is dehydrating. Then last of all is canning. The heat treatments accounts for the loss of nutritional value the most. My thought is most people eat fruit out of the supermarket which is picked unripe and shipped halfway around the world and the age of the fruit alone accounts for extensive nutrient loss.
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Post by peter1942 on Jul 10, 2022 11:11:53 GMT 10
Why on earth do you need to preserve items that are available all year around. Your time, effort and energies should be spent on other matters.
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Post by norseman on Jul 10, 2022 12:16:55 GMT 10
Why on earth do you need to preserve items that are available all year around. Your time, effort and energies should be spent on other matters. I actually agree with this! Much of my survivalism / prepping over the years has been the testing and trialing of concepts and skills while exploiting the relative cost benefit of pretty much "cheap everything" in both time and monetary terms! For example while I love getting behind the reloading bench for a bit of therapy, I've learnt that buying up a thousand rounds of 30/30 factory ammo for (at the time) $450 was a much better investment in time and saved work. I learnt to plant probably six types of vegetables that will grow copiously with little maintenance while still buying carrots and spuds at 50c a kilo.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 11, 2022 0:45:05 GMT 10
Because the availability of fresh fruits and vegetables including carrots and potatoes is just not there presently.
Because the quality of those that are available is extremely poor.
Because I live in a remote area where when I drive down the mountain there are only smaller stores available without traveling longer distances, those stores are prone to runs and shortages regularly.
Because they are available all year round .... till they aren't. I lack the capability to produce them year round in my climate and location. Crop failures happen every day.
Because I have shoes older than most preppers and I have been at this a long time. Because my time, energy and effort will be spent on the same choices that have kept me alive for the last SEVEN decades. Because if it isn't broken don't fix it.
Because I buy what I can't produce. I choose to produce rather than consume and I am not driven by cheap. I trust my own capabilities, knowledge and skills to provide what the people inside these fences of mine need only then reaching out to my immediate community. Regardless of the national/global supply system successes or failures or anything that is happening outside my fences or what other people/preppers tell me I SHOULD be doing potatoes are easy to grow and easy to preserve cheaply right at my farm. When the world falls apart I just close the gates, circle the wagons and work even harder to continue to produce and protect that within.
And lastly Why on earth would I not? I have thousands of jars at my disposal. Canning in this country is a cultural thing and is done more widely. It seems that while many in AUS commonly can (water bath) fruit in recycled containers canning everything in the U.S. is more common and affordable. I can fruits, vegetables, meats, and soups extensively. Potatoes here are a cool weather crop grown in early spring in a 7 to 8 month total growing season.
I also dehydrate, ferment, butcher and smoke my own meats and make wine and liquors all of which I can buy cheaper... till I can't!
My approach is a bit different. Example I grew green beans last year. I canned almost 400 quart jars of green beans not to mention what I dehydrated and pickled. This year I will grow a small amount of green beans to eat fresh and concentrate on different crops to can large amounts of. That 400 jars should last me several years. This year I am concentrating on red beans but a specific heirloom type that my family like but are not available commercially. I have 4 rotations planted at different intervals. I will can and dry the targeted amount of jars (200) and dried beans (also seeds) and then next year move on to other crops.
This is in addition to a normal garden eaten fresh!
I base what I grow on what I need fresh and what I need or want to can that year to fill holes in my existing supplies. This also helps with garden pests. Lets say I plant potatoes and have a large concentration of potato beetles. If I don't rotate potatoes back in to the garden for several years those potato beetles tend to fade away. This keeps those populations low.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 11, 2022 7:49:28 GMT 10
Umm.... When you live where there is 2 meters of snow on the ground, and the ground is frozen 2 meters deep in winter you look at how much and what to preserve a little differently... This coupled with the length of our "winter" season...
So to us that means more of a balance of and bigger variety of items to pressure can and stock..
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 11, 2022 8:04:04 GMT 10
Been there, done that and moved way south.
I think maybe the take away is that there is not one thing/crop or one way to prep. Three different commenters, three different countries, three different climates, two different continents, different dietary restrictions/requirements and meal preferences and numbers all come into the equation. Just maybe more important that we all make the effort to prep and know that it is possible if needed to preserve in different ways for whatever your reason.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 11, 2022 8:19:14 GMT 10
"Just maybe more important that we all make the effort to prep and know that it is possible if needed to preserve in different ways for whatever your reason. "
Thats exactly right, these skills are not needed now in times of plenty. but WTSHTF and there is nothing to buy in the shops, at least if you have already done some dehydrating, canning and preserving, you have a head start and know what works and what doesn't and can survive.
Couldn't handle snow, frost is bad enough !
Some months ago when the heavy rain in the Northern Rivers here, caused several landslips and completely closed the main way to town for a few days, it was comforting to know we had enough on hand that it didn't immediately affect us. And if the road to the west had also closed, the alternatives would have been 100's Km round trip on potholed and/or dirt roads.
And I'm not saying to sit back and be smug about it, but be practical. Besides, it was a good test of our preparedness.
Testing out your preparedness is always necessary. I was testing the radio comms gear the other day and found the main antenna feed to my full wave 160 meter long Zepp HF aerial was corroded, but not visibly. The solder had corroded inside the join. 5 Minutes work with the soldering iron fixed that, but if I had needed the comms in an emergency, it wouldn't have worked.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 11, 2022 11:44:58 GMT 10
Tim if you are contemplating canning potatoes my personal opinion from someone who has done it often is that many people do not care for canned potatoes because it changes the consistency somewhat. It is easily done though.
For me my personal preference is dehydrated in either shredded or sliced form. They can be stored in jars or mylar and buckets and become shelf stable for decades. I personally have 5 gallon buckets of them stored. Dehydrated they are easily stored in less space and have more versatility. Rehydrated they can be used in casseroles, soups, hash browns or even mashed for mashed potatoes.
If I were worried about a shortage and looking to stock up I think that would be the way I would personally go.
Where do the majority of the potatoes consumed in Canada come from? In the U.S. Idaho is the big potato producer and supplies the majority. I have not heard of any major potato shortages predicted in the imminent future though that doesn't mean a thing.
You can always grab some frozen hash browns (shredded potatoes) and run them through the dehydrators to hedge your bets if you can find them. Maybe experiment with a few jars canned to sample how they taste.
For me personally my carb of choice is rice anyway.
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 12, 2022 0:58:37 GMT 10
Tim if you are contemplating canning potatoes my …. You can always grab some frozen hash browns (shredded potatoes) and run them through the dehydrators to hedge your bets if you can find them. Maybe experiment with a few jars canned to sample how they taste. For me personally my carb of choice is rice anyway. I’ve searched for frozen hash browns that are just shredded potato here and I can’t find anything like it. Our frozen hash browns are completely different. I’d love to be able to get frozen shredded potato.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 12, 2022 1:34:15 GMT 10
Where do the majority of the potatoes consumed in Canada come from? --- --- Actually... Potatoes for North America are quite wide spread.. Far eastern Canada, far north east US produce a lot.. Wisconsin, Minnesota, eastern North Dakota, Manitoba... Idaho, Washington, Saskatchewan, Alberta and lower British Columbia all on either side of the mountains produce a lot.. My swamp savage cousin in lower Georgia state US saying they produce a lot..
Trivia.. North of us there is an old pioneer homestead preserved as a historic site.. It started as a homestead to run the river ferry that ran on a cable.. It evolved into a cross roads for the local area with store, post office, blacksmith, and the like.. This all as part of the route to the gold fields in the northern province, Yukon, Alaska, North West Territories... They are likely most famous as they grew potatoes on the river delta there that sustained many during all this time.. If you visit the site today you can tour the homestead, and still buy potatoes grown locally.. \\\ /// I think maybe the take away is that there is not one thing/crop or one way to prep. Three different commenters, three different countries, three different climates, two different continents, Different tastes.... --- --- Yes, yes... Double yes... That is the best explanation I have heard of all this.. Bless you for your far sightedness.. One can look all around to the limits of there individual horizons and one way of doing things does not fit all.. THIS is the advantage of todays world to be able to share local practices and experiences that provide bits of info that make our individual practices better and more productive..
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 12, 2022 3:45:43 GMT 10
Tim if you are contemplating canning potatoes my …. You can always grab some frozen hash browns (shredded potatoes) and run them through the dehydrators to hedge your bets if you can find them. Maybe experiment with a few jars canned to sample how they taste. For me personally my carb of choice is rice anyway. I’ve searched for frozen hash browns that are just shredded potato here and I can’t find anything like it. Our frozen hash browns are completely different. I’d love to be able to get frozen shredded potato. I find it fascinating the different foods available in different countries. Frozen shredded potatoes are a regular item here in the U.S. in anything from 1 pound to 5 pound bags. That being said I have made my own. The way I have done it is to shred and then blanch in boiling water for just a couple minutes then drain and dry well and dehydrate I do add lemon juice to the blanch water to prevent browning. It worked well for me that way. You can then run the dry shreds through a blender to make an instant mashed potato type product if you prefer. A word of warning though do not overcook when blanching. Just in and out because they are small shreds it would not take long and you would have mush. I have also seen videos where they prefer to cook and mash and then dehydrate like that and then blend into powder for instant mashed potatoes. I have enough built up that anymore I only can or dehydrate the ones that I nick or damage when digging or that have bad spots. In a survival situation I would probably do much more. It is just a good way to get rid of the damaged ones. Do they have root cellars in Australia or is that just an American thing?
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 13, 2022 0:17:45 GMT 10
I’ve searched for frozen hash browns that are just shredded potato here and I can’t find anything like it. Our frozen hash browns are completely different. I’d love to be able to get frozen shredded potato. I find it fascinating the different foods available in different countries. … Do they have root cellars in Australia or is that just an American thing? Root cellars are not at all common. I don’t know anyone that has one. (Basements and attics are also less common.) I’ve seen many US cooking videos that use frozen shredded potato. I had to just use fresh potatoes but frozen would be very convenient sometimes, especially as it seems you can get them with nothing added!! I wonder if the lack of root cellars and less of a culture of preserving is because over most of Aus you can grow useful food pretty much all year so long term storage wasn’t as necessary.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 13, 2022 9:21:53 GMT 10
I find it fascinating the different foods available in different countries. … Do they have root cellars in Australia or is that just an American thing? Root cellars are not at all common. I don’t know anyone that has one. (Basements and attics are also less common.) I’ve seen many US cooking videos that use frozen shredded potato. I had to just use fresh potatoes but frozen would be very convenient sometimes, especially as it seems you can get them with nothing added!! I wonder if the lack of root cellars and less of a culture of preserving is because over most of Aus you can grow useful food pretty much all year so long term storage wasn’t as necessary. If I had to guess I would say you are probably accurate. The United States is so large and has so many different inhospitable growing regions. Unless you live in zones 9 & 10 where year round gardening is possible but it is so hot and the soil not great in most of those regions.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 15, 2022 0:42:00 GMT 10
Unless you live in zones 9 & 10 where year round gardening is possible but it is so hot and the soil not great in most of those regions. --- --- There are a lot of zones between zone 2 and 10 in North America that are more capable of growing than many may realize.. Some of the problem in many areas is providing water... ((( ))) A root cellar in many areas, even here in the far north will essentially be indoor pools.. Or ice house too many months of the year..
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 15, 2022 9:05:09 GMT 10
Unless you live in zones 9 & 10 where year round gardening is possible but it is so hot and the soil not great in most of those regions. --- --- There are a lot of zones between zone 2 and 10 in North America that are more capable of growing than many may realize.. Some of the problem in many areas is providing water... ((( ))) A root cellar in many areas, even here in the far north will essentially be indoor pools.. Or ice house too many months of the year.. I have only gardened/farmed in zones 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 but with half the U.S. gripped in a drought and wildfires raging I will definitely agree with you. I read an article awhile back predicting political wars in the future in the U.S. over water rites with states competing for the same river water rites and water sources. As far as root cellars the only place I have ever lived where a cellar was possible was the Midwest where it also functioned as a tornado shelter. I will admit that it was a nice thing to have and one of the handy things I miss.
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