Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 10, 2022 2:05:21 GMT 10
So the the little I know so far is, the former prime minister in Japan who was making the speech and got shot seems to have been running again for office... ?? I don't know the problem the shooter had with this guy, or if or what group the shooter was aligned with, if any... ??
Anyway... Will this incident cause enough problems to de stabilize the government, economy, or other there to become a problem for them and the rest of the world ?? Japan still being a pretty big player in world markets and such...
Or am I overthinking this at this moment ??
Facts, details, experience, thoughts ?? ??
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Post by bug on Jul 10, 2022 8:39:24 GMT 10
Abe stepped down peacefully a while a go. Very strange thing to happen. Mental illness will be in there somewhere. Sad event.
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Post by spatial on Jul 10, 2022 13:09:09 GMT 10
It is more a case of division and violence spreading across the world. Pace is being taken from the earth, it is a sign of the times. There is no more so called safe countries as people are going nuts everywhere.
Things leading to trade wars, economic collapse, then hot wars.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jul 10, 2022 17:36:28 GMT 10
Lucky they have such tough gun laws in Japan, eh?
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Post by dadbod on Jul 10, 2022 20:43:43 GMT 10
Lucky they have such tough gun laws in Japan, eh? I wanted to say that to a family member, but everyone rolls their eyes when I go on again... |
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Post by frostbite on Jul 10, 2022 21:13:35 GMT 10
I watched the video of the shooting, the real one, not the edited version on the fake news.
Abe takes one shot in the back, turns around to face his attacker, then gets the second shot in the chest. His security are stunned mullets until the second shot, then they respond.
Apparently the attacker is angry that his family have been financially destroyed by a religion, and Abe was a big supporter of that religion.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2022 11:04:57 GMT 10
Lucky they have such tough gun laws in Japan, eh? I wanted to say that to a family member, but everyone rolls their eyes when I go on again...   Dunno, I reckon they're doing pretty bloody well in the grand scheme of things. Oh, sorry. Abe's death wasn't included on this graph so they're at a rip-roaring sum of ten total gun deaths for the year to date, compared to our 229. For a country who's population is almost five times that of our own I don't think we have any justification to claim that their restrictions aren't effective. They might be considered draconian to some. If you look at the figures with no emotional attachment it's hard to argue that their rules have saved lives. |
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2022 11:10:49 GMT 10
Also just putting it out there, Japan doesn't have an epidemic of gun violence but what they DO have is a long history of cultural shame behaviour around mental health.
Old mate was an ex-Japanese Self-Defence Force Navy member apparently. Now they don't have exposure to the same things that most uniformed members of other countries do have but I have to wonder whether his mental health was impacted. Obviously I'm not excusing what he did, I'm mostly curious about what may have driven him to do it. Given that Abe's policies created a drive towards re-arming their nation in the face of Japan's constitutional anti-conflict stance, maybe the shooter blamed him for putting Japan 'in the firing line' with certain other nations.
I don't know. Just speculating. I'm just hoping this isn't a delayed Franz Ferdinand moment.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 11:25:44 GMT 10
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Yes, the US clearly needs to do something with its gun laws. But that's not the cause of the majority of their gun deaths. Most are gang violence related. A tiny minority are the ones at schools that get the media attention. Laws do nothing to stop gang violence.
Japan has arguably gone too far with its laws. The majority of gun owners are elderly farmers. Their lisence renewal test more closely resembles a senility test than a firearms safety one.
It has caused massive problems with wild boars and deer destroying crops, as farmers are unable to stop them. Bears have no fear of humans and attacks are not rare.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 11, 2022 12:41:53 GMT 10
Japan's culture is different. It's more than just a cultural shame around mental health. It's a cultural shame on anyone doing the wrong thing. I'm tipping the cultural shame plays a large part in the mental health of the population.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2022 15:02:51 GMT 10
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Yes, the US clearly needs to do something with its gun laws. But that's not the cause of the majority of their gun deaths. Most are gang violence related. A tiny minority are the ones at schools that get the media attention. Laws do nothing to stop gang violence. I have literally no agenda about the US's gun laws. If you'll notice, I literally didn't mention the US at all. It's on the infographic but it was there as a comparison amongst four other western nations. I note your instant response is to the US and fair enough it does stick out. But I actually wasn't specifically making any point about the US or it's gun laws. I actually only included it as a comparison for Western nations vs. Japan. The US being so high is frankly incidental, the point of what I wrote was a comparison of Australia and Japan. |
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Post by Beno on Jul 11, 2022 15:23:19 GMT 10
I don’t take notice of gun deaths. I’m more interested in gun related murder and even more interested in gun mishaps leading to death this improving my own safe hendling. I think you’d find if you take out suicide that those numbers would halve then the stats basically mean nothing to the ordinary person.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2022 15:26:15 GMT 10
That's a good point, I hadn't considered suicide's impacts on those numbers. Fair call.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 15:55:09 GMT 10
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Yes, the US clearly needs to do something with its gun laws. But that's not the cause of the majority of their gun deaths. Most are gang violence related. A tiny minority are the ones at schools that get the media attention. Laws do nothing to stop gang violence. I have literally no agenda about the US's gun laws. If you'll notice, I literally didn't mention the US at all. It's on the infographic but it was there as a comparison amongst four other western nations. I note your instant response is to the US and fair enough it does stick out. But I actually wasn't specifically making any point about the US or it's gun laws. I actually only included it as a comparison for Western nations vs. Japan. The US being so high is frankly incidental, the point of what I wrote was a comparison of Australia and Japan. No dramas. Wasn't having a go at you at all (sorry if it came accross that way). |
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Post by dadbod on Jul 11, 2022 17:19:06 GMT 10
Its also hard to compare across cultures. Japan is effectively a one race country. the minority groups are miniscule. their economic environment has been very different for ever. Their military/ civil defence structure is different. they do not settle violent issues with guns. I am surprised this assassination used a gun, and wasnt performed with a samurai sword, as previously done in japan on live tv I believe.
besides, thats not my point. if gun laws worked as they are suggested, then the number should be zero. but the number is never zero. they may have less gun deaths, but the world isnt as binary as gun death are because of gun laws, there's nuance in every case.
my comments to family and friends are always a commentary on australian gun laws... as I dont really care about elsewhere. its the principle, not the circumstance.
a law will not stop someone who is wanting to break the law.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 17:31:20 GMT 10
The Japanese just don't do violence. They also barely even discuss issues with the person they have a problem with. They tend to settle disputes by isolating the problem individual.
The good side of this is that you never see drunken idiots fighting and you never feel unsafe. The downside is that the constant avoidance of confrontation and discussion leads to mental health issues and the Japanese are the worst in asia when it comes to knowing your neighbours (literal neighbours, not neighbouring countries.)
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Post by frostbite on Jul 11, 2022 17:44:03 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Jul 11, 2022 18:01:10 GMT 10
I wanted to say that to a family member, but everyone rolls their eyes when I go on again... Dunno, I reckon they're doing pretty bloody well in the grand scheme of things. Oh, sorry. Abe's death wasn't included on this graph so they're at a rip-roaring sum of ten total gun deaths for the year to date, compared to our 229. For a country who's population is almost five times that of our own I don't think we have any justification to claim that their restrictions aren't effective. They might be considered draconian to some. If you look at the figures with no emotional attachment it's hard to argue that their rules have saved lives. Though their gun deaths are very low (as their crime families tend to do more white collar crime compared to here) their suicide rate is up in the top 10 of the world. In 2019 their average rate was 15.3 compared to about 12 for us here in Aus |
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Post by d on Jul 12, 2022 7:00:14 GMT 10
It’s disgusting to see but these kind of things do happen.
Not often in Japan but it’s not without precedent and nothing I’ve seen suggest it’s more than the senseless killing it appeared to be.
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Post by bug on Jul 12, 2022 9:06:06 GMT 10
In most places, suicides get counted in the 'gun crime' number. There's little evidence that an absence of guns reduces the suicide rate. There's a lot of evidence that an absence of a well funded mental health system increases the suicide rate. Japan has a lot of stigma around mental health. For a country with such an oppressive work culture, this is not a good thing.
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