Ending Covid payments for casuals.

My employer just announced that vaccination is no longer mandatory but highy recommended. Many people left due to this policy so it will be interesting to see the result of any legal action.

I can’t see any further restrictions occurring due to covid. in the end The current policies and laws did not work so why flog the dead horse? If i was casual i’d be looking for permanent work. apparently the times are great for potential job seekers, the local radio is advertising heaps of jobs with OT and other perks.

Personally i struggle with the idea to keep paying low income/no-low skill people to stay in their jobs. I think that to get paid they need to upskill from being baristas and waitstaff to manufacturers, cherry pickers, contract labourers and other strategic industries that will service this country better for an uncertain future.

I'm just formulating my resignation letter to the NSW RFS, as their policy from the 1st July was that to be an active member you need to be up to date on the jabs. Its no ones business except my doctor and me, and I cant serve the community as a fire fighter by being a reserve.
So after 50 years service, its sad to leave like this, but thems the rules.
Hope you've all got fire fighting gear ready, as 30 % of members have been affected by this ruling, in a service that was struggling to find members before all this snot.





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Make hay while the sun shines, or so they say.

If the government mandates you out of a job they should have a moral and legal responsibility to support you financially. It's that simple.

The problem is the casual system, not covid. If someone wouldn't have gotten special treatment if they caught the flu, they shouldn't get it for covid.
I did casual work back in the long long ago. It was much easier then. You called an employment agency in the morning and they told you which place to go to. These days it's all wrapped around centrelink and an absolute pain to deal with.

Usually one would/should be unable to work if they have covid, like being really sick and having the "virus" and spreading it to others. I think you might be confusing not being vaccinated.

I agree with you frostbite, but what about the surge in hospitalizations? I had covid with mild symptoms a few months back, atleast that is what the pcr test said.Imo for me it was just a bad cold but for others it seems it was worse, im not vaxxed and managed to steer myself through mandates at a cost. You are touching on a good point though, influenza never had as much attention as covid and both fall into the same category.

Here are my thoughts on the subject

I believe it should be locked into stone forever to protect and support the casuals and i feel this way for a very good reason

When i got my 1st job i worked after school sweeping floors in a clothing factory that was my big role
"sweep those floors boy "
i was casual because i was a school kid but everyone else was full time
then i got an entry level job in the mining industry did 3 months probation and went full time

i worked at different mines and jumped around but always went full time

then i had a break from it and worked in the scaffolding industry of a day and worked as a cleaner of a night cleaning offices and toilets
It was easy to get work back then i never needed the unemployment benefits if you couldn't get a job you just joined up with a labor hire company like skilled and in no time you had a full time job
Then the companies supported by government policies started to change how things were done
The days of standing on the street near the docks in the morning f you wanted a days work and if no luck there hit up the construction sites because on a Monday there was always some p*sshead too hungover to work they were gone just like that finding work like that vanished


So then it was all labor hire or nothing to get a foot in the door and then from that the disposable work force was born

A good example of how companies play the game
At a certain paper mill they have a corporate policy that states if a "casual"works as part of a crew continuously for 2 months they get put on into full time employment so after exactly 7 weeks you get told your not needed next week then they swap what crew you are with and the cycle begins again so after 6 years of dong the same job just on a different crew your still a casual and there are a lot of companies that play this game using labor hire companies so they can just toss away workers as they wish without repercussions 

I hear the statement of "get better trained to get a better job "all the time and its generally from people over 30 that have done their time and got where they are now because its the way it was but the world is a vastly different place now employers for sometime now by using the disposable worker mentality and punitive measures that are lawful have taken it to a new level

when i started out employers paid for you to gain the skills they needed you to have
Now places wont even look at you unless you have every darn certificate under the sun before they will even consider what experience you have

Now to add to this you have to have all the extra steps in as well at your cost for an example
a civil job i saw advertised had this in the requirements

Must have the following
White card
working in confined spaces
working at heights
1st aid certificate
RII for skid steer
RII for excavator
RII for roller
HR licence
RII water cart
current police check
current medical
must have current signed VOC's for skid steer , excavator , roller and water cart
Must have own transport to get to and from job sites

all of this was for a casual laborer position and all this costs a lot of money especially if your just getting into the game

In my time as a casual the amount of time id see full timers come to work sick spread their pox around then go home on full pay and they knew they'd be sent home it was all for show but the moment id get sick from *ssholes doing that there was no support for me me it was oh well
then theres the you have to 100% avalible 200% of the time for when they need you or they simply wouldn't give you any work and if you had a falling out over a safety issue oh well they just starve you out with no work till you leave


So yeah its time that the poor bastards that are trying to get  a break and ahead in life by doing low skilled low income jobs taking crap from everyone else just so they can pay for the thousands of dollars worth of crap you need now to do basic sh*t get some perks and i for one dont blame the unwashed masses saying nope im not doing this crap anymore you can bust your *ss these days spend heaps of your own money and never get put on full time or even part time because the system isnt working to your favor hell even if you do get lucky and land a part time job at coles every other *ss biscuit feel you should get better trained and get a better job well maybe your trying to just f*cking do that but

If i sound angry its because I am.
i have enough tickets to plaster the wall with i have a many years experience in heavy industry but because of my accident none of its worth sh#t and when i said to someone that doesn't really know me that well i might in the future go work at coles as they have indicated they could find a place for me
the very 1st thing that came out of their mouth was

oh come on man you're 46 are you taking the piss you should of got better training and educated yourself so you didn't end up in a kids job

the arrogance behind that is why i can see so many people are just saying
No i am not doing this anymore


TLDR?
Yes casuals should get paid covid packages and they should get paid sick leave even as a casual because they are already getting bent over and pineapples shoved where the sun doesn't shine while they try to get ahead in life by the system and fellow country men who sneer down on them and think they should get better trained and educated   

i have put away thousands into trust funds for my children because i know that they are going to need it to cover the training and education they will need and for emergency funds while they make their way in the world that cant wait to kick them down 

Wholeheartedly agree with you grumble. Imo casual labor laws need a massive overhaul and some employers especially in large corporations need looking into. An idea i thought would be good would be to have an unbiased centralized human resources department for all industry, but that would probably cost mega bucks paid for by the tax payer of course, but it would help i think in getting a fair outcome when it comes to disputes in the workplace.