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Post by spatial on Nov 9, 2022 17:19:35 GMT 10
Not sure it would be any good, I am looking at going to Central Coast on Sat to check out off grid tiny homes and other technologies on display. tinyhomesexpo.com.au/ |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 9, 2022 18:28:54 GMT 10
Tiny homes, huge prices. Expect $150k - $180k.
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Post by Beno on Nov 10, 2022 2:11:27 GMT 10
Tiny homes = training for third world living standards.
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Post by tactile on Nov 10, 2022 7:10:51 GMT 10
Tiny homes -> training people that they don't need so much crap in their lives.
They had a show here in Melbourne a few years ago and they were nasty! Most people were underwhelmed with the quality and materials used in the construction...especially considering the pricing.
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Post by norseman on Nov 10, 2022 7:49:35 GMT 10
Tiny homes, huge prices. Expect $150k - $180k. The original idea with the tiny homes concept was doing as much as you could with as little as possible! DIY / Owner Builder types can do pretty remarkable stuff with the format! The design ideas you can collect have application in what we do! |
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Post by spatial on Nov 10, 2022 9:56:00 GMT 10
Tiny homes, huge prices. Expect $150k - $180k. The original idea with the tiny homes concept was doing as much as you could with as little as possible! DIY / Owner Builder types can do pretty remarkable stuff with the format! The design ideas you can collect have application in what we do! That is the intention is to get ideas for a BOL. Just putting up a large shed in your back yard can cost your $100k, it is everything inflation. |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 10, 2022 11:20:15 GMT 10
My 9m X 6m shed with 2 windows, 1 glass sliding door only cost $15k, and over half of that was for the slab.
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 10, 2022 14:44:37 GMT 10
One daughter is looking at tiny house designs for a dwelling on the farm here. Wont be buying one, but we can mill the timber and build it ourselves for a fraction of the cost above.
Rules that guys wish girls knew.
14) If something we said can be interpreted in two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other way.
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Post by spatial on Nov 10, 2022 15:17:30 GMT 10
One daughter is looking at tiny house designs for a dwelling on the farm here. Wont be buying one, but we can mill the timber and build it ourselves for a fraction of the cost above. Rules that guys wish girls knew. 14) If something we said can be interpreted in two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other way. That is the idea, get a contractor to build a shed with council approval - drainage design etc.. costs are sky high. Yip build yourself big $$$$ savings. $20 entry and half hour drive is worthwhile to check out latest technology at an expo.. |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 10, 2022 15:28:56 GMT 10
Tiny homes are popular because they don't need council approval. Friend of mine's mum sold her house then bought a relocatable 1 bedroom home to put in daughter's back yard. Nice place, great for an elderly lady on her own, and a million dollars left over.
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Post by bug on Nov 11, 2022 8:07:51 GMT 10
Never understood this 'tiny home' thing. We are in an incredibly wealthy country with the highest standard of living in history. We don't need to cram ourselves into crappy crates not much better than a shipping container.
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Post by spatial on Nov 11, 2022 10:12:15 GMT 10
Never understood this 'tiny home' thing. We are in an incredibly wealthy country with the highest standard of living in history. We don't need to cram ourselves into crappy crates not much better than a shipping container. Say that to all the people in Australia that don't own a home and have means of every owning a home. Home ownership in Australia has gone from 43% to 29% 1995 to 2020, as is dropping fast. www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/home-ownership-and-housing-tenureTiny homes are less maintenance, energy to het and cool, less to clean, less garden to car for etc.... Rate of people living single has gone up dramatically so no need for big houses, with all the rates and taxes, utilities etc... A house is just a place to sleep there are plenty of outdoor areas to enjoy why have a big monstrous expensive house. I though you were the energy efficient guy with climate change killing the planet. |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 11, 2022 10:59:00 GMT 10
I can't understand why people can't afford a home. IMO they can, they just choose not to. They don't want to do the hard yards that's required to own a home. Hard yards like doing well at school, getting a job or two, working hard and saving harder. No expensive electronic gadgets, holidays or new cars. No $20 latte and smashed avo breakfast. Both my children own homes, my daughter has 2, even my useless step-son bought a unit in one of Australia's most expensive markets.
I suppose a tiny home on Mum & Dad's backyard is the only option left to them.
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Post by bug on Nov 11, 2022 11:03:42 GMT 10
Never understood this 'tiny home' thing. We are in an incredibly wealthy country with the highest standard of living in history. We don't need to cram ourselves into crappy crates not much better than a shipping container. Say that to all the people in Australia that don't own a home and have means of every owning a home. Home ownership in Australia has gone from 43% to 29% 1995 to 2020, as is dropping fast. www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/home-ownership-and-housing-tenureTiny homes are less maintenance, energy to het and cool, less to clean, less garden to car for etc.... Rate of people living single has gone up dramatically so no need for big houses, with all the rates and taxes, utilities etc... A house is just a place to sleep there are plenty of outdoor areas to enjoy why have a big monstrous expensive house. I though you were the energy efficient guy with climate change killing the planet. That sounds like what a politician would say when trying to gain votes from the 'poor us' crowd at election time. Appealing to whingers who want other people to solve all their problems for them is not an endearing trait. Our poor are often fat. In most of the world today and for all of its history, if you don't work, you starve and you die. Our government will give you free or almost free housing that by world standards is bordering on luxury. The most menial, unskilled jobs pay more here in a day than the majority of the world's workers get in a week or even a month. We have a largely free, accessible health and education system that is the envy of most of the world. In most countries you need to be in the top few percent to receive equivalent care. In most of the world throughout most of history, only the ruling class ever owned their home. That being able to do such a thing isn't just possible, but has a sense of entitlement attached to it shows just how good we have it. But hey, go live in a pile of wooden pallets if you want and complain about everything. The overwhelming majority of the world would change places with you in a heartbeat. |
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Post by spatial on Nov 11, 2022 11:28:16 GMT 10
Say that to all the people in Australia that don't own a home and have means of every owning a home. Home ownership in Australia has gone from 43% to 29% 1995 to 2020, as is dropping fast. www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/home-ownership-and-housing-tenureTiny homes are less maintenance, energy to het and cool, less to clean, less garden to car for etc.... Rate of people living single has gone up dramatically so no need for big houses, with all the rates and taxes, utilities etc... A house is just a place to sleep there are plenty of outdoor areas to enjoy why have a big monstrous expensive house. I though you were the energy efficient guy with climate change killing the planet. That sounds like what a politician would say when trying to gain votes from the 'poor us' crowd at election time. Appealing to whingers who want other people to solve all their problems for them is not an endearing trait. Our poor are often fat. In most of the world today and for all of its history, if you don't work, you starve and you die. Our government will give you free or almost free housing that by world standards is bordering on luxury. The most menial, unskilled jobs pay more here in a day than the majority of the world's workers get in a week or even a month. We have a largely free, accessible health and education system that is the envy of most of the world. In most countries you need to be in the top few percent to receive equivalent care. In most of the world throughout most of history, only the ruling class ever owned their home. That being able to do such a thing isn't just possible, but has a sense of entitlement attached to it shows just how good we have it. But hey, go live in a pile of wooden pallets if you want and complain about everything. The overwhelming majority of the world would change places with you in a heartbeat. The 2008 GFC was caused by US housing crash, the world is headding for another housing crash at a much bigger scale, it is going to drag the economy and everything else down with it... Hosing is unaffordable to the average Australian. www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditionsWhy not live in a small house then when payed off upgrade. Australia has one of the largest credit card debt in the world, we live beyond our means. Having a big house to keep up the the Jones does not improve your standard of living. Equating a large house to a high standard of living is not a robust conclusion. Many retired people choose to live in a caravan and travel is their standard of living any less are they all mad as they are in a smaller dwelling. I am looking at purchasing a catamaran and sailing the high seas for +10y it is the equivalent of a tiny house. |
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 11, 2022 12:34:58 GMT 10
"I suppose a tiny home on Mum & Dad's backyard is the only option left to them. "
Our daughter wants to stay here, she can afford to move, but doesn't want to. And , of course, we encourage that in view of the coming calamities.
The other 3 girls are here as well in their own homes, along with my sister and one of her girls.
Our son is making his own life down south, but he knows he is welcome here as well anytime.
All reality is aspect dependent.
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Post by bug on Nov 11, 2022 13:08:17 GMT 10
Out of all those points about why we have the just about the best standard of living of any country at any time in history, 'having a big house' is what you took away from it?
I don't really give a flying f about what houses are worth. If prices drop, great. It reduces stamp duty and other commission based taxes and fees. If that drop also takes down parasitic wall street types, all the better for it. All of us on this forum should be ready for that exact eventuality and not be forced into a tiny shitcan if it happens.
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Post by dirtdiva on Nov 12, 2022 0:41:05 GMT 10
In most communities in the USA you cannot build a permitted house under 500 sqf. In more very rural communities many are built without permit and many with wheels to get around the restrictions to pass as recreational vehicles.
My husbands VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars)group volunteers and helps to build and maintain a permitted tiny house community specifically built to give returning veterans a place to land. A small home to live in when there is no family to welcome them. They help with job placement, transportation to medical, counseling etc. It has a commons building where these men help to support one another and ease back into society and not end up homeless. SO there is a place for tiny homes in communities.
As far as backyard tiny homes my youngest son just built a new home 2 years ago. Nestled in the back yard is a small house (700 sqf) that was built for my husband and I. Handicapped accessible and designed so that if my husband and I ever get to the point where we can no longer live alone we have a private place of our own away from my rowdy grandsons to hang our hat yet close enough that he can make sure we are cared for. Let us hope I never need it.
This is not a new concept. My grandparents had a small home at the back of their property 60 years ago. We all called it grandpa's pout house. The predecessor to todays "mancave" maybe. Grandma sent grandpa there when he spent too long at the community tavern or grandma was upset for some reason with him. That was 60 years ago!
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 12, 2022 14:01:06 GMT 10
Not sure it would be any good, I am looking at going to Central Coast on Sat to check out off grid tiny homes and other technologies on display. tinyhomesexpo.com.au/Have you ended up at the expo? |
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Post by Stealth on Nov 12, 2022 14:40:45 GMT 10
IMO the reality is that unless someone is forcing you to live in a tiny home, they're a terrible idea. But when you're forced to live WITHOUT a tiny home and with no other options they're brilliant. It's all a matter of perspective.
Replace the words "Tiny home" with "Granny flat" and somehow it becomes socially acceptable to live in a small space. I think that's a very good indication of how our society looks at our elderly, if you ask me. "It's good to only take up a little space. You don't need much. You can go without a bit more".
The new construction close to me could adequately be described as micro-homes. They're the equivalent of your average tiny house space for as many people are in the home. That is, you get just enough space for a single bed in the minor bedrooms and you wouldn't fit a queen with any other furniture in the master bedroom. Your kitchen is quite often the same size as something you'd get in a spacious tiny home, and you get a living room that only just gets enough space for a three seat couch. Forget a coffee table. You might get a 'bump out' that's no larger than a computer desk for an eating space if you're lucky.
You also get all of this with the ignominious pleasure of being able to hear the neighbours from three terrace houses over whispering because you're so close to each other. They're tiny homes in a row, in all but name. For $450k.
It's any wonder there's people out there who'd rather pay $150k for a tiny home that's not that much smaller. At least if you don't like hearing your neighbours fart as if they're right next to you, you can pick up and move somewhere else! 🤣
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