frostbite
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Post by frostbite on Nov 15, 2022 17:48:09 GMT 10
I'm looking to buy a pair of snake gaiters, because a snake bite when moving through the bush, especially during/after shtf, would most likely be fatal.
I had Hunters Element V2 snake gaiter in mind, but have seen a review saying they are uncomfortable and difficult to put on. Considering Moroka as well.
Anyone here have any experience with snake gaiters?
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Post by Beno on Nov 15, 2022 19:13:23 GMT 10
I use sea to summit gaiters when in sketchy bush areas. they go to just below the knee and are fairly rugged. They would be just about snake proof as they are made of thick material. some are made from canvas. They are simple enough to put on.
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Post by norseman on Nov 16, 2022 7:22:17 GMT 10
I use sea to summit gaiters when in sketchy bush areas. they go to just below the knee and are fairly rugged. They would be just about snake proof as they are made of thick material. some are made from canvas. They are simple enough to put on. Heavy Cordura or Canvas STS Gaiters are routinely used for snake protection and usually cost far less than more expensive "Snake Gaiters" like a $100 less, and then when you read this- "Hunters Element Venom Gaiters were designed and tested for resisting bites from Australian snake species. These gaiters should not be treated as snake proof. Hunters Element, Evolve Outdoors Group Ltd and Peter Bryant do not guarantee the safety of the user from snake bites. Although sample tests resulted in 0% fang penetration from a variety of snake species, there is no guarantee that the wearer will not be bitten. Venom Gaiters should be used as a safety precaution only and in conjunction with other precautions." |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 16, 2022 7:40:50 GMT 10
I was checking out the STS gaiters online last night. They are $100 less than Hunters Element. I just got to get my butt into a Paddy Palin store, maybe make a day of it.
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Post by Joey on Nov 16, 2022 19:02:54 GMT 10
I use sea to summit gaiters when in sketchy bush areas. they go to just below the knee and are fairly rugged. They would be just about snake proof as they are made of thick material. some are made from canvas. They are simple enough to put on. Heavy Cordura or Canvas STS Gaiters are routinely used for snake protection and usually cost far less than more expensive "Snake Gaiters" like a $100 less, and then when you read this- "Hunters Element Venom Gaiters were designed and tested for resisting bites from Australian snake species. These gaiters should not be treated as snake proof. Hunters Element, Evolve Outdoors Group Ltd and Peter Bryant do not guarantee the safety of the user from snake bites. Although sample tests resulted in 0% fang penetration from a variety of snake species, there is no guarantee that the wearer will not be bitten. Venom Gaiters should be used as a safety precaution only and in conjunction with other precautions."Standard liability clause in case someone does get nicked, they can't come back and sue. |
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Post by ausprep130 on Nov 17, 2022 16:23:40 GMT 10
All gaiters are uncomfortable to a degree. I had some Sea2Summit maybe 20yrs ago and they were terribly sweaty in hot weather.
I now have the Hunters Element Venom V2.
Easy to put on. Zip, velcro, and buttons, with adjustable webbing at the top, and can clip onto boots.
Comfortable enough. But haven't used them for prolonged periods or in really warm weather yet. Put them on just now and could feel them on the back of my leg just above the knee when I sat down but by the time I got to typing this line I couldn't really notice them.
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Post by frostbite on Nov 19, 2022 6:16:30 GMT 10
I've been watching a few gaiter reviews. The venom2's are said to be uncomfortable behind the knee and the seatosummit were high quality but in recent years cost cutting in the manufacturing process has seen that quality drop.
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Post by spatial on Nov 19, 2022 10:22:34 GMT 10
Most Australian snakes have very small fangs, even denim resist snake bites. Had a guy at work in Parkes NSW who was walking around the mill with a snake hanging off is trousers, fangs got stuck in the denim.
Ankle high boots protect against most snake bites as snakes don't usually bite above the ankle.
Most snake bites are dry bites, the venom is used to digest the pray from the inside, you are too big for the snake to swallow, so the bite is often just a warning.
It is quite easy to survive a snake bite, bandage the limb and take it easy for a few days.
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Post by frostbite on Nov 19, 2022 10:43:57 GMT 10
Most Australian snakes have very small fangs, even denim resist snake bites. Had a guy at work in Parkes NSW who was walking around the mill with a snake hanging off is trousers, fangs got stuck in the denim. Ankle high boots protect against most snake bites as snakes don't usually bite above the ankle. Most snake bites are dry bites, the venom is used to digest the pray from the inside, you are too big for the snake to swallow, so the bite is often just a warning. It is quite easy to survive a snake bite, bandage the limb and take it easy for a few days. Not so easy to just 'bandage the limb and take it easy' when you're 5km and 3 ridges away from your cabin. I don't have a teleporter or aeromedical chopper on speed dial, and there's no mobile coverage anyway. I suspect every person who has died or been invenomated from snakebite might disagree with your opinion that most snake bites are dry bites. Russian Roulette isn't my thing. I'm a prepper, I prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I've just ordered a pair of Moroka 30 snake gaiters. About 25% more than STS, but hopefully better quality. I'll put up a review when I've worn them a few times. |
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Post by spinifex on Nov 19, 2022 18:18:28 GMT 10
Most Australian snakes have very small fangs, even denim resist snake bites. Had a guy at work in Parkes NSW who was walking around the mill with a snake hanging off is trousers, fangs got stuck in the denim. Ankle high boots protect against most snake bites as snakes don't usually bite above the ankle. Most snake bites are dry bites, the venom is used to digest the pray from the inside, you are too big for the snake to swallow, so the bite is often just a warning. It is quite easy to survive a snake bite, bandage the limb and take it easy for a few days. Yup. I know 3 people who have been bitten by snakes. 2 were dry bites ... one landed the bitee in intensive care for a few days and under obs in hospital for another week more on top. I agree with your low level snake bite observation. This be partly why station people often wear the calf-high boots. Comfortable protection that is easy to put on and take off. |
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Post by bushdoc2 on Nov 19, 2022 22:27:03 GMT 10
Most Australian snakes have very small fangs, even denim resist snake bites. Had a guy at work in Parkes NSW who was walking around the mill with a snake hanging off is trousers, fangs got stuck in the denim. Ankle high boots protect against most snake bites as snakes don't usually bite above the ankle. Most snake bites are dry bites, the venom is used to digest the pray from the inside, you are too big for the snake to swallow, so the bite is often just a warning. It is quite easy to survive a snake bite, bandage the limb and take it easy for a few days. There are (as far as I know) 2 recorded cases of taipans biting through boots. Small fangs in Aussie snakes, yes, about 10mm. Relatively fixed, unlike some species eg. rattlesnakes, which can fold away their enormous fangs. Still, taipan bites are about 100% fatal without antivenom. Survival is rare...I'd rather have a melanoma (your chances are better)
Most people who die of snakebite in Oz take at least 24 Hours, but as Frostbite says, not easy to teleport home and wait.
"Pressure-immobilisation" technique is exactly that. Pressure (bandage about as tightly as you would a sprained ankle), Immobilise= don't move. If bitten on the finger, and you walk back to the house, THIS WILL SPREAD VENOM. Proven by radioisotope studies in the Medical Journal of Australia 1994.
Pressure. Immobilise. Stay still.
True, UP TO 90% of bites are "dry" (with no venom) in CERTAIN SPECIES. Some species will use venom every time (no warning shots, a bit like approaching Fort Frostbite without an entourage of blondes). And the more pissed off the snake is, the more likely it is to use venom, eg. when you try to catch it or kill it. Bad idea prior to invention of projectile weaponry.
Treat every real/suspected snakebite as the real thing. False alarms are good training (and only false in hindsight).
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Post by spinifex on Nov 20, 2022 22:27:14 GMT 10
Most Australian snakes have very small fangs, even denim resist snake bites. Had a guy at work in Parkes NSW who was walking around the mill with a snake hanging off is trousers, fangs got stuck in the denim. Ankle high boots protect against most snake bites as snakes don't usually bite above the ankle. Most snake bites are dry bites, the venom is used to digest the pray from the inside, you are too big for the snake to swallow, so the bite is often just a warning. It is quite easy to survive a snake bite, bandage the limb and take it easy for a few days. Yup. I know 3 people who have been bitten by snakes. 2 were dry bites ... one landed the bitee in intensive care for a few days and under obs in hospital for another week more on top. I agree with your low level snake bite observation. This be partly why station people often wear the calf-high boots. Comfortable protection that is easy to put on and take off. Oh ... and the bitee suffered joint pain, muscular atrophy and impaired kidney function for the rest of their days. Snake bites do not always have the live/die outcome most people think. There are plenty of chronic symptoms, often very severe that can arise from being envenomated. The bitee of which I speak was infact highly allergic to anti-venine (he had 16 envenomated bites previously). So had to ride the envenomation out with supportive care alone. He was a Vietnam veteran (platoon leader) who saw plenty of combat and was severely wounded in action. He did NOT like the helicopter ride from his rural residence to the rooftop helipad of the RAH. |
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