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Post by spatial on Dec 10, 2022 19:55:35 GMT 10
Whats the backup plan ? And like everything, you must have a backup plan, for water, power, food etc. The backup plan is cached ammo, and the knowledge I alluded to in the last post. A day without a beer is like....just kidding, I have no idea. Have a bow with arrows, next best thing. |
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 11, 2022 7:41:04 GMT 10
I think cross bows need licensing in NSW, along with swords and some knives.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 11, 2022 14:46:50 GMT 10
If they try to confiscate her weapons, 'cause of me, then Id let the Lawyers deal with that. The knowledge to construct a weapon from $20 worth of Bunnings pipe cant be confiscated though. You cant scare me, I have four daughters. Lots of people say that. Then, like my mate, they spend $40k trying to get their guns back. All charges against him withdrawn or no conviction recorded, but FAR still decided he was unfit to hold a licence. All for bull$hit trumped up paperwork discrepancies, no real law broken. So for anyone claiming they'll get a lawyer, I hope you have huge amounts of money to throw away. I'll give an update later on the outcome my lawyer gets and what it cost. At this point I'm quietly confident the system will generate an outcome which is sensible. But ... There are certainly no guarentees of that. |
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 11, 2022 16:55:24 GMT 10
You have to account for the corruption of the system as well.
There are two kinds of people in the world. 1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data and.....
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Post by spinifex on Jan 21, 2023 17:04:16 GMT 10
Lots of people say that. Then, like my mate, they spend $40k trying to get their guns back. All charges against him withdrawn or no conviction recorded, but FAR still decided he was unfit to hold a licence. All for bull$hit trumped up paperwork discrepancies, no real law broken. So for anyone claiming they'll get a lawyer, I hope you have huge amounts of money to throw away. I'll give an update later on the outcome my lawyer gets and what it cost. At this point I'm quietly confident the system will generate an outcome which is sensible. But ... There are certainly no guarentees of that. Update as promised earlier: The Firearms Branch has provided me with a cordial letter thanking me for my patience and to let me know my firearms are to be returned to me because I am fit to possess and use firearms. Total cost so far: $1000 in lawyer fees. $60 in medical report fees. The slight frustration I'm having now is getting someone from the local Station where they are stored to return my phone calls. I've rung twice in two days (in the morning) and already had the officer named in my Firearms Branch letter handball my request to a different officer via Chinese whispers with the admin person who answers the phones. The admin person has twice informed me, after speaking to relevant officers, that those relevant officers will call me back - still waiting. The situation is making me nervous. It's making me wonder if my rifles actually are where they are supposed to be - at that station in an evidence store. Hopefully my concerns are unfounded and the place is just crazy busy. I'm going in to the station in person on Monday to try and finalise the return of my stuff. Stay tuned ... further updates to come. |
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Post by Joey on Jan 22, 2023 5:07:31 GMT 10
When you eventually get them back, check over them carefully for damage before you leave the station. There's been many stories of people getting the funds back and they are covered in nicks and scratches as they are just thrown in a corner and not handled with care
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 22, 2023 13:20:04 GMT 10
Most living here on the farm have firearms licenses, so if anything happens to one person, we will transfer the weapons to someone else.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 31, 2023 8:02:02 GMT 10
Most living here on the farm have firearms licenses, so if anything happens to one person, we will transfer the weapons to someone else. The system doesnt work like that. If someone reports you for any real or imagined reason ... at least 6 officers will arrive at your house, in the dark, and take all your registered firearms, your ammo and your gun licence. They will not be offering any choice to do anything other than hand them over because the basic aim is to remove your access to firearms to render you "safe" to the public around you. And heaven help you if all your guns and ammo are not correctly stored and accounted for because it would make later retrieval much harder. Another even more serious complicating factor is if the person triggering one of these seizures takes up a police offer to put an Intervention order against the firearm owner. And ... these things can be done without any allegations being fully investigated, without firearms owner and other witnesses being interviewed to establish the facts of the matter and without any charges being laid. Suffice to say the fewer people who know you own firearms the better because there are fewer people around you to trigger this kind of seizure. There are good reasons why this system is in place ... it just isn't always applied in a thoughful way, communication from LEO can be dismal and the timeframes for resolving them are far longer than they should be. In my case, I'm happy with how Firearms branch in Adelaide have handled the matter and they have communicated very well. I am STILL (2 weeks after making first contact) trying to re-take possession of my seized items despite having been cleared by firearms branch. So far 3 phone calls and 2 attendances at the local police station and 5 variations of a story about "How Complicated" it is to get stuff back out of police evidence and exactly "who" must sign the various releases at their end and "when" they'll have the 1 minute free in their day to pull up a release form and sign it. I'm heading back to the station for the third time tomorrow after being assured yesterday that all the correct people will be there on day shift and that I should be able to get my gear back. At least yesterday I got to speak to an actual police officer ... she was quite nice and apologetic. I'm trying to be patient ... but its wearing very thin now. Mostly because I don't like it when people play "pass the parcel" with official responsibility. It greatly erodes confidence in the systems integrity. Stay tuned for the next episode. |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 31, 2023 8:08:02 GMT 10
"pass the parcel"
Govt turds are excellent at that game.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 31, 2023 11:10:15 GMT 10
Oh dear, the battery's leaked in my $5,500 PVR nite scope, sorry My Govt, you now owe me $5,500 for a new one.
As the weapons are not in my name, it would be stealing to take them as they are not mine and I don't have access to them anyway, key, combination etc.
All Ive got is a class c license, and that's it.
Now f..k off.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 31, 2023 14:24:17 GMT 10
We don’t call them weapons. We call them firearms.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 1, 2023 14:10:57 GMT 10
The final installment:
Today I got my firearms and licence and ammunition back.
All firearms are in the same condition as when they were taken. They were sealed in very heavy duty plastic bags which protected them from rub damage and there is no sign of any rough or careless handling.
All ammunition is present as it was at the time of seizure.
Over all ... the system has worked in my case. It's very slow moving and one has to be pro-active in communicating. I found that if my lawyer or I didn't initiate information exchanges we wouldn't hear or know anything about what is going on in relation to the matter and its resolution.
All my interactions with SAPOL Officers were cordial and a few were noticably appologetic in their manner. I rate them very highly for service both at time of seizure and when having items returned ... just difficult to get hold of. Firearms Branch responded to enquiries quite quickly when prompted.
So ... total time from seizure to recovery was 5 months and 2 weeks. Total cost was $1060.
In my experience the system delivered a fair outcome. Whilst it may seem tempting to save $1000 on using a lawyer ... I would ALWAYS use one.
The days and weeks following a seizure are pretty stressful while waiting to see if/what allegations and charges are forthcoming - an experienced lawyer is pretty comforting during that time and it sets one up for a professional and well-informed approach to all dealings.
As Seizures of Firearms can be triggered with no prior warning I would recommend keeping a written and photographic inventory of your ammo and condition of firearms which is updated every few months. Or more frequently if your ammo on hand fluctuates a lot. Also, always make sure your firearms and ammunition are correctly stored at all times ... storing guns out of safes is going to lead to charges, convictions and much greater legal costs and probably end your firearms ownership for all-time.
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Post by Joey on Feb 4, 2023 19:13:50 GMT 10
Get ready for the roll-out of a "national firearms registry" as approved by the "national cabinet"
And along with this, expect more monitoring of online activities.
I read this morning that the US government has paid out a few million to universities to reprogram the AI programs they use to detect/monitor and counteract terrorist activity online and tweak it to monitor anything that's anti gov, anti vax, anti police etc on the citizenary.
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