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Post by tactile on Jan 24, 2023 9:15:27 GMT 10
Anyone else following this case? I'm almost inclined to drop into proceedings to see how the authorities achieved the recordings...mobile phone or did they hack his car somehow? Very sketchy on how they did it. Ive been seeing this with a few cases over the years, feds managed to get recordings of perps but the average punter never knows how its done...
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Post by frostbite on Jan 24, 2023 10:06:38 GMT 10
What case?
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Post by tactile on Jan 24, 2023 11:11:22 GMT 10
Is this link not showing up on mobile?
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Post by frostbite on Jan 24, 2023 11:32:38 GMT 10
No link in the original post visible on mobile.
Cops have specialists who plant listening and tracking devices in cars and homes. Although these days I suppose their job is really easy with all the technology people are addicted to.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 24, 2023 12:22:39 GMT 10
If you carry a mobile ... you are carrying a tracker and a listening device and a Psychological Profiling data gathering device.
We willingly enable invasive surveillance all day - every day ... worse than anything the Soviet Union and East German secret police ever came up with back in the day.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 24, 2023 12:45:14 GMT 10
Anyone else following this case? I'm almost inclined to drop into proceedings to see how the authorities achieved the recordings...mobile phone or did they hack his car somehow? Very sketchy on how they did it. Ive been seeing this with a few cases over the years, feds managed to get recordings of perps but the average punter never knows how its done... In this case I'd guess that the police had strong enough evidence to get approval to track his comms directly via his phone because it was reported in the news that they said that he talked about the people that he'd killed 'to himself'. That indicates some kind of audio recording and a mobile phone seems like the most likely suspect. But the reality is that you'd probably find they wouldn't tell people any more than "surveillance via cellular network" or ""internet data tracking" or something equally amorphous. They're not going to tell us exactly how they did it, that'd be giving away a capability. If anyone's interested in the actual legislation that allows surveillance on Aussies and the kind of things that have to be done to spy on a person, you're looking for the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 and the Intelligence Services Act 2001 to find out what 'they' can actually do. I looked it up when Dutton started giving permissions to Home Affairs and everyone was freaking out about it. They're pretty specific about what they can and can't do and how they have to treat our privacy as Aussie citizens. The TL;DR is that as everyday Aussie citizens a Minster has to give specific authorization for surveillance on us, and there has to be a very specific reason for that surveillance to happen. It can't just be "We know that this person has said inflammatory things before and we think they might be up to something" or "I just don't like how they looked at me, seems suss'. It's a lot of legalese and some of it was a little sketchy to understand (probably intentionally, that whole 'not giving away a capability thing again'. But it's worth reading if you actually want to know what can be legally done. I've seen a few times where people have said that surveillance in Australia is all hidden and sneaky. They literally write it into legislation and upload it for everyone to see *chuckle*. But often the people who get properly freaked out about the potential of spy vs. spy type stuff really aren't interested in looking up the REAL information. I guess you could always have the risk of a Minister signing off on surveillance without really paying attention to what they were signing... But I can't see anyone taking the risk of "You'll get a whole courtroom thrown at you when they realise that you didn't read what you were signing". I'd have thought that'd be a document you'd read very carefully before signing off on it. Lawyers probably are well versed in the Acts these days with how easy it would have to be to use people's own devices against them. I imagine that the second someone submitted surveillance into evidence it'd be "Ok, now we're going to trawl through every word of both Acts and look for any one tiny loophole that proves that the surveillance wasn't above board to get my client off".
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Post by frostbite on Jan 24, 2023 12:52:58 GMT 10
Bwahaha. I have 3 gps trackers on me, 4 cameras, at least 1 mic. My boss knows where I am to the metre, what my right foot and right hand are doing.
I am watched by cameras and micro managed from the second I clock on to the second I clock off, all for $29 an hour.
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Post by tactile on Jan 24, 2023 13:26:35 GMT 10
I don't know 100% but I think I heard the suspect was driving an old Nissan Patrol (GU?)so that would preclude any of the tech in new cars. I actually read the manual (gasp!) of my new ride (took me 2 days) and it's a bit scary what's in this new stuff and you cant put your car in a Faraday cage while driving it around. It has a cellular link at all times and you cant turn off all the functions, just like a mobile phone. Cameras everywhere and real time tracking...lucky I'm a law abiding citizen!
There are ways to negate issues of your mobile phone, but new cars might be a bit different.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 24, 2023 16:03:33 GMT 10
Yeah my new car is going to have a lot of things in it that can't be switched off. It is what it is. If anyone in a grey suit wanted to follow me around I wouldn't be leading them anywhere interesting anyway so I'm not too phased about it. I'd be more worried about international scammers using the info somehow than the government.
I think a lot of people don't realise that if their dashcam has the ability to store to a cloud, it has the ability to be somewhere that another person can get into. It's a pretty common function in dashcams these days. I always keep my audio recording turned off on my dashcam because the idea of having a horribly embarrassing conversation with my husband and having to use that video WITH the audio to give to the police... No thanks! Haha.
But yeah frost is right. We definitely have all kinds of sources of information on us all day every day and people rarely really consider that fact.
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Post by tactile on Jan 24, 2023 17:04:43 GMT 10
My car has a heads up display that gives you the speed limit of the area your driving...it has a forward facing camera that recognises the limit signs. So its smart enough to read the signs. What else does it do? It also has a inward looking camera to check if you fall asleep at the wheel - one doesn't have to think real hard to make the leap here...
I'm the sort of guy that tapes up the cameras on my phone & laptop...I don't think there is any going back with cars though.
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Post by norseman on Jan 25, 2023 7:33:46 GMT 10
Mate, what I can I say!?!? The simple fact, even if you leave your mobile phone at home on a given day or switch it off is enough to raise a red flag! If you're not on their "list" then you're not trying hard enough! The pricks don't care if you've done nothing wrong, when they need to they'll fabricate something, the turds that monitor this forum will vouch for that!
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2023 8:02:25 GMT 10
My car has a toggle switch for ignition, a push button on the floor to start it, no electronics, an old fashioned generator so no electronics there and runs on either LP gas, wood gas or petrol. It would probably run on kerosene if needed as well.
Just turning a modern smart phone off isn't enough. I found that out when my friends new phone had no earphone socket. No worry's, just get a Bluetooth set of headphones. But, they connect to the phone even when its switched off. The phones beep and a woman's voice announces that they are connected. So you have been warned, big brother is always listening/watching.
“On December 31, 1899, Captain John Phillips was navigating the passenger-cargo ship SS Warrimoo when his crew informed him that they were approaching the equator.
Captain Phillips had his navigator double check their position, and then adjusted the course and speed of the Warrimoo so that at exactly 12 a.m., the ship lay astride the Equator at exactly the point where it crossed the International Date Line.
The forward part of the ship was in the Southern Hemisphere and in the middle of summer. The rear part of the ship was in the Northern Hemisphere and in the middle of winter. Half of the ship was on 31 December 1899, while the forward half skipped a day ahead and into 1 January 1900.
The ship was therefore not only in two different days, two different months, two different years, two different seasons and two different hemispheres but also in two different centuries all at the same time.”
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Post by frostbite on Jan 25, 2023 8:52:57 GMT 10
Mate, what I can I say!?!? The simple fact, even if you leave your mobile phone at home on a given day or switch it off is enough to raise a red flag! If you're not on their "list" then you're not trying hard enough! The pricks don't care if you've done nothing wrong, when they need to they'll fabricate something, the turds that monitor this forum will vouch for that! Mate, those turds are being progressively staffed with latte sipping, gender confused pronoun hating pussies. Not a shadow of the real men that once were the armed thugs of the grubbyment. Just call them the Alphabet Boys and they'll go home crying in their soy latte.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2023 12:51:46 GMT 10
Mate, those turds are being progressively staffed with latte sipping, gender confused pronoun hating pussies. Not a shadow of the real men that once were the armed thugs of the grubbyment. Just call them the Alphabet Boys and they'll go home crying in their soy latte.
Whilst they shoot themselves whilst they confiscate our weapons as the don't know which end is the dangerous end.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jan 25, 2023 14:01:23 GMT 10
“On December 31, 1899, Captain John Phillips was navigating the passenger-cargo ship SS Warrimoo when his crew informed him that they were approaching the equator. Captain Phillips had his navigator double check their position, and then adjusted the course and speed of the Warrimoo so that at exactly 12 a.m., the ship lay astride the Equator at exactly the point where it crossed the International Date Line. The forward part of the ship was in the Southern Hemisphere and in the middle of summer. The rear part of the ship was in the Northern Hemisphere and in the middle of winter. Half of the ship was on 31 December 1899, while the forward half skipped a day ahead and into 1 January 1900. The ship was therefore not only in two different days, two different months, two different years, two different seasons and two different hemispheres but also in two different centuries all at the same time.” Even with modern equipment and accurate timekeeping, hard to state exactly where you are, especially given the WGS84 system vs actual shape of the earth. But makes a good.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2023 14:24:27 GMT 10
I suspect their navigation was better than ours is now, as they had to understand what they were doing, the physics and maths of the calculations, and not just how to press a few buttons in the right order. Witness the number of people who end up lost due to crook sat navs.
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Post by Beno on Jan 25, 2023 14:42:00 GMT 10
I suspect their navigation was better than ours is now, as they had to understand what they were doing, the physics and maths of the calculations, and not just how to press a few buttons in the right order. Witness the number of people who end up lost due to crook sat navs. Sometimes the weight you need to lose is not on your body. I love sat navs. On my road the sat nav tells punters that they have to get out and walk about 2km to get to my house. I’m sure it discourages weekend warriors from coming up our way.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2023 15:41:48 GMT 10
I have seen the horror stories of people being led 100's km out of their way by sat navs. I have one and rarely use it. Was good for getting the speed right, to the 1/10 km/hr on the freeway as most speedos are at least 5 % out, and mine was 10%, that's 10 km/hr out.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2023 16:27:55 GMT 10
Doing some more research on Ir imaging. It appears that FLIR have brought out a cheaper (<$200) sensor that would be compatible with the Raspberry pie or Arduino platforms, so a FLIR type camera could be built for under $300. Now were talking, undetectable as it doesn't need Ir illumination, and usable for other jobs, such as detecting heat leaks from your house or cabin, overheating electronics gear and so on.
The military are going away from tube type nite vision and going for FLIR type hi res IR imaging. And, unlike all nite vision gear, which in total darkness is useless without external IR illumination, IR imaging will work in total darkness, and can sometimes even detect persons behind thin walls.
So much to do, so little time.
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Post by tactile on Jan 26, 2023 9:52:09 GMT 10
I guess at some point an individual is going to have to make a personal decision on whether a new piece of tech is a net bonus in their life compared to a net negative. To me and my current situation, I add them all and use most of their capabilities. GPS is a god-send in the city and all the advantages far out weigh the disadvantages to me. I only have to look at the problems my brain-dead family members have getting to my place in the city without it - morons! Phones - I love having all human knowledge in my pocket all the time, as well as weather, disaster alerts, road conditions etc. etc. If the feds think Im some sort of threat they can knock themselves out wasting resources on me, I don't think they'll find my life very exiting...then again that cold fusion energy device I've been working on might interest them...
As for cars - I'm never going back to an old POS where I'm working on it all the time just to keep it on the road and evade "surveillance". And I think there will be some cool innovations coming in the last hurrah of ICE engines. Imagine a plug-in hybrid with 300km range on electric with a small ICE engine that can give you another 500km range and run on multiple fuels. I don't care how they track my irrelevant life for something like that!
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