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Post by spinifex on Aug 25, 2023 16:34:23 GMT 10
Top 5 things no-one hoards ready for the Apocalypse but propably should:
1. Paper format porn. It'll be highly tradable when the digital world unravels. 2. Musical instruments. Entertainement will be self made when the digital world ends. 3. Pool chlorine and water clarifyer. Heaps of both. Until you've tried living with unprocessed dam/river water in a place where rainfall can't supply all your water needs you don't understand how important a high capability to clarify and deodorise water is for ones morale. 4. Rennet. Because cheese is awsome and being able to make cheese will make our post apocalyptic lives much better. 5. Bicycles. Because walking sucks, horses are time consuming and every other form of transport bar rowing/sailing boats rely on too much tech magic.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Aug 25, 2023 20:10:29 GMT 10
Top 5 things no-one hoards ready for the Apocalypse but propably should: 1. Paper format porn. It'll be highly tradable when the digital world unravels. 2. Musical instruments. Entertainement will be self made when the digital world ends. 3. Pool chlorine and water clarifyer. Heaps of both. Until you've tried living with unprocessed dam/river water in a place where rainfall can't supply all your water needs you don't understand how important a high capability to clarify and deodorise water is for ones morale. 4. Rennet. Because cheese is awsome and being able to make cheese will make our post apocalyptic lives much better. 5. Bicycles. Because walking sucks, horses are time consuming and every other form of transport bar rowing/sailing boats rely on too much tech magic. 4. Rennet. Because cheese is awsome and being able to make cheese will make our post apocalyptic lives much better. Being the only person around who can STORE milk as cheese, or make and trade it...good plan.
Yep. Blessed are the cheesemakers.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 11, 2023 15:49:41 GMT 10
Top 5 weapons for post SHTF that rarely rate a metion in internet PrepperLand 1. The Ability to read body language and forecast the behaviour of everyone around you. 2. Grenades. They turn cover into concealment in many circumstances. Where a bullet cant go a grenade often can. Practice using dummies first to get the hang of dropping them on targets behind objects which are bullet resistant. They also go down holes and clear a room better than anything. How many Hollywood gunfights could have been ended in 15 seconds with a grenade? 3. Corrupt connections / "friends with influence". Lets face it ... all the top dogs have these in their arsenal. Because they work. 4. Detcord. You know why. No explanation needed. 5. Petrol. Cheap. Effective. Versatile. Available. Like 2 (above) it can get to threats that bullets just cant reach.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 11, 2023 16:18:46 GMT 10
An armoured vehicle, because they make grenades and petrol useless.
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Post by spatial on Sept 12, 2023 7:15:59 GMT 10
Top 5 weapons for post SHTF that rarely rate a metion in internet PrepperLand 1. The Ability to read body language and forecast the behaviour of everyone around you. 2. Grenades. They turn cover into concealment in many circumstances. Where a bullet cant go a grenade often can. Practice using dummies first to get the hang of dropping them on targets behind objects which are bullet resistant. They also go down holes and clear a room better than anything. How many Hollywood gunfights could have been ended in 15 seconds with a grenade? 3. Corrupt connections / "friends with influence". Lets face it ... all the top dogs have these in their arsenal. Because they work. 4. Detcord. You know why. No explanation needed. 5. Petrol. Cheap. Effective. Versatile. Available. Like 2 (above) it can get to threats that bullets just cant reach. Modern warfare has gone drones.. For surveillance and ordinance delivery. They are an extreme multiplier, trying to make grenades and Molotov cocktails will get you into trouble,.
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Post by tactile on Sept 12, 2023 21:27:49 GMT 10
1. Paper format porn. It'll be highly tradable when the digital world unravels. Really?
Should have fun explaining that one to the Mrs.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 13, 2023 5:08:13 GMT 10
It has been a number of years ago now I read a amateur fiction short story about an EMP (?) end of the world situation.. There is also a couple or more audio books on CDs like this.. The CD series was from the local library at that time..
A big part of the story is about ...get home.. and the tactics to defend once home.. One of several things eluded to were homemade land mines, anti personal mines mostly improvised as buried and weather proof claymore type mines made from electrical detonated pipe bombs sealed in plastic 2 kilo or similar sealable size containers filled with shrapnel... This also included how to on setting up other ...surveillance and area denial... techniques.. I'm sure all this is highly illegal to construct or implement most anywhere in the world, but interesting from an educational ...how to DIY.. prospective..
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Post by spinifex on Sept 14, 2023 20:02:16 GMT 10
An armoured vehicle, because they make grenades and petrol useless. Any home made armoured vehicle will be vulnerable to a petrol attack. Hundreds of Russian tanks were destroyed with them by Finnish troops in 1940. As are quite a few modern industry produced versions. They are rated for only so much punishment ... all one has to do is exceed their protective specs. And for the rest ... thermite is so easily produced its not funny. A preschooler can make kilos of the stuff in under an hour after a shopping trip to a hardware store and supermarket. Hmmm ... probably should have put thermite in the top 5!
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Post by spatial on Sept 15, 2023 12:11:07 GMT 10
An armoured vehicle, because they make grenades and petrol useless. Any home made armoured vehicle will be vulnerable to a petrol attack. Hundreds of Russian tanks were destroyed with them by Finnish troops in 1940. As are quite a few modern industry produced versions. They are rated for only so much punishment ... all one has to do is exceed their protective specs. And for the rest ... thermite is so easily produced its not funny. A preschooler can make kilos of the stuff in under an hour after a shopping trip to a hardware store and supermarket. Hmmm ... probably should have put thermite in the top 5! In the "Mad Max" scenario there are no shops.. In apocalyptic scenario medial support will be very limited, something like an infected scratch can cause death or loss of a limb. Attaching a hardened structure or vehicle is very risky. All militaries and law enforcement use armored vehicle for military and riot support, why because they are useful. I spend 30min a day following Russia/Ukraine war - both sides use armored vehicle and both sided loose armored vehicles daily, the main difference is the western vehicle and body armor way out preforms anything the Russian have. The Ukrainians get to live and escape. Having protection against small arms fire and arrows is a force multiplier. Another point. Societal collapse is not a war but evasion and escape, or get a person to medical support. It s not a military operation take the hill at all cost where attacking troops are exposed to Molotov cocktails rife fire from bunkers etc... It is a different game and mindset, difficult to identify who is the enemy.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 15, 2023 20:34:04 GMT 10
I'm really not fussed about societal collapse. History shows its rare and short lived and not especially life threatening.
What IS life threatening is invasion by hostile and well organized opponents. Ask an Aborigine. Or a Prussian. Or an Irishman. Or a Russian. Or a Chinese. Or a Native American. Or a South swedish.
Mad Max is a fiction. Hostile/genocidal occupation has repeated an uncountable amount of times. Avoidance doesn't work in that situation in the long run.
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Post by spatial on Sept 16, 2023 9:27:23 GMT 10
I'm really not fussed about societal collapse. History shows its rare and short lived and not especially life threatening. What IS life threatening is invasion by hostile and well organized opponents. Ask an Aborigine. Or a Prussian. Or an Irishman. Or a Russian. Or a Chinese. Or a Native American. Or a South swedish. Mad Max is a fiction. Hostile/genocidal occupation has repeated an uncountable amount of times. Avoidance doesn't work in that situation in the long run. Economic collapse is real, the world has less food reserves than ever before in history, global debt is all time high and every country has issues. A 1929 collapse will be devastating as society is no longer cohesive. Moral corruption and anger and division, is where the world has never seen it before. Our reliance on technology where two EPM nukes could take out the enter US electrical grid will be Mad Max wasteland. Our weapons are very different to the past - Syria is a lawless waste land, Ukraine is smouldering, natural disasters are increasing. How do you think Australians will reacts to an EMP - nuke or solar storm causing grid down, no running water, no sanitation no internet, no or food delivery, no medications coming into the country. We will all just get together and work it out holding hands and singing kumbaya/ Those days are gong people are no longer that controllable. Mad Max is a very realistic scenario.. During foreign invasion there are lots of examples of people going and hiding in forests where invading armies cant get them, Australia is to big for a foreign country to take control of the entire continent.. Historically South and east Asia has never been conquered by a single empire, it is too big and too diverse.
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Post by spatial on Sept 16, 2023 9:32:56 GMT 10
What do the worlds experts on nuclear war think... Doomsday Clock set to 90 seconds to midnight, here’s the planwww.icanw.org/doomsday_clock_no_more_excuses_the_plan?gclid=CjwKCAjwgZCoBhBnEiwAz35Rwozr0nqbxCh4xU3YIsO_llqP23Er47RJEDP1jLlIVWoPKx1njMxL9xoCVFkQAvD_BwEThe Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist has reset the minute hand on the Doomsday Clock at 90 seconds to midnight, "largely but not exclusively due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine". This year’s Clock announcement must not be followed by the usual hand wringing, resignation and excuses, but with urgent action to avoid nuclear war. ICAN has a roadmap for ridding the world of nuclear weapons in four steps: prohibition, stigmatisation, negotiation, elimination. The setting of the Clock to 90 seconds to midnight reflects the consensus that the Ukraine invasion has brought the world closer to nuclear war than at any time since the 1980s. The Doomsday clock has warned the public about how close we are to destroying our world with dangerous technologies of our own making since 1947, and it had most recently moved from two minutes to midnight to 100 seconds to midnight in 2020. In the light of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine under cover of threats to use nuclear weapons against anyone trying to intervene in 2022, this new time shows just how grave the danger we are facing is.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 16, 2023 10:00:52 GMT 10
I too expect a economic meltdown, due to debt and food scarcity. Its happening right now, sort of in slow motion.
Whilst Australia is a big country, most of the population is trapped, I mean, lives on, the East Coast, so would be able to be controlled.
I think the Doomsday clock should be at 30 seconds, as this Russian war is going to get hotter. Putin has signaled his intention to use nukes if pushed hard enough, and his ego is big enough that he would do it, even if it meant annihilation of the northern hemisphere to 'save face'. Biden doesn't even know where he is or what day of the week it is, so we are not gonna get any help from that quarter.
Our Polyfilths will be too busy trying to work out where they went wrong, and covering their failures, to help in the coming crisis, so we will be on our own.
Do you have an alternative plan in mind when you leave your BOL now to go shopping etc ? Do the troops know where you will meet them if a nuke does happen ?
I think the actual collapse will be a a slow motion train wreck, the Govt will be trying to maintain a sense of normalcy for as long as possible, but like a house of cards, it will suddenly collapse. That's why we prep for. Within a day or so, certainly less than a week, food, fuel, electricity and so on will become in short supply. Marshal law may very well be declared, so no traveling to your BOL, you better be there before that happens, set up with water, food gardens, alternative electrical, comms and so on.
The problem isn't a lack of money, food, water or land..The problem is that you've given control of these things to a group of greedy psychopaths who care more about maintaining their own power than helping mankind....
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Post by frostbite on Sept 16, 2023 12:23:43 GMT 10
Quote: What IS life threatening is invasion by hostile and well organized opponents
Like our government perhaps? There you go Norseman, took the words right off your keyboard.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 16, 2023 12:37:29 GMT 10
There’s a huge misunderstanding about the power of the government during a collapse of society. The government and the police have no real power. All they have is the illusion of power, reinforced by the acceptance of the vast majority of people to abide by the laws set by the government.
When that ratio changes, when the vast majority of people decide not to abide by the law, the police and government become powerless. Just like in some US cities at the moment. The government knows this, which is why they turn up the heat very gradually. A sudden mass confiscation of firearms might well shift this equation. Do they really want to pi$$ off almost 1 million armed citizens?
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Post by norseman on Sept 16, 2023 13:39:06 GMT 10
Another point. Societal collapse is not a war but evasion and escape, or get a person to medical support. It s not a military operation take the hill at all cost where attacking troops are exposed to Molotov cocktails rife fire from bunkers etc... It is a different game and mindset, difficult to identify who is the enemy. Hallefargenlujah! Yes, finally the reality, the truth, the real deal! Like so let us all just run to the "sound of gunfire" to live out our most cherished Hollywood firefight fantasy and then experience an utterly pitiful and agonising death!
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Post by norseman on Sept 16, 2023 13:40:42 GMT 10
There’s a huge misunderstanding about the power of the government during a collapse of society. The government and the police have no real power. All they have is the illusion of power, reinforced by the acceptance of the vast majority of people to abide by the laws set by the government. When that ratio changes, when the vast majority of people decide not to abide by the law, the police and government become powerless. Just like in some US cities at the moment. The government knows this, which is why they turn up the heat very gradually. A sudden mass confiscation of firearms might well shift this equation. Do they really want to pi$$ off almost 1 million armed citizens? Awesome! Exactly what he said x 100.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 16, 2023 16:42:52 GMT 10
" A sudden mass confiscation of firearms might well shift this equation."
We will know its definitely 'on' when that happens. However, there are so many firearms in Australia that the powers that be will have difficulty in confiscating them all at the same time as word will quickly spread that its 'on'. Their hands will be full with more pressing problems trying to control a hungry, cranky, sleep deprived population. Sleep deprived because at night, gangs will possibly roam the streets. With little electricity for streetlights, the nights will become a dangerous time to be out. As law and order break down, the same will become of the day time. And all this will happen with a few days of the collapse.
Then the Fire Brigade, Ambo's and Police will not respond and the communications systems/internet starts to fail, mobile reception becomes more and more intermittent, along with rolling power blackouts, ditto for fresh water. We see now that food items are sometimes not available at times, that will get worse until the shelves are bare, trucks cant run due to the danger to drivers/lack of fuel because there is little electric power available for the pumps/refining, and its a fast spiral to anarchy.
You better be at your BOL by then.
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Post by spatial on Sept 16, 2023 17:44:49 GMT 10
" A sudden mass confiscation of firearms might well shift this equation." We will know its definitely 'on' when that happens. However, there are so many firearms in Australia that the powers that be will have difficulty in confiscating them all at the same time as word will quickly spread that its 'on'. Their hands will be full with more pressing problems trying to control a hungry, cranky, sleep deprived population. Sleep deprived because at night, gangs will possibly roam the streets. With little electricity for streetlights, the nights will become a dangerous time to be out. As law and order break down, the same will become of the day time. And all this will happen with a few days of the collapse. Then the Fire Brigade, Ambo's and Police will not respond and the communications systems/internet starts to fail, mobile reception becomes more and more intermittent, along with rolling power blackouts, ditto for fresh water. We see now that food items are sometimes not available at times, that will get worse until the shelves are bare, trucks cant run due to the danger to drivers/lack of fuel because there is little electric power available for the pumps/refining, and its a fast spiral to anarchy. You better be at your BOL by then. Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts! Indeed. Once power is out or fuel delivery stopped due to problems in the east China sea or economic collapse and no country is transporting fuel. Collapse is like instant. The just in time delivery systems fails, most food is processed in a few very large factories or abattoir, relies on transport. Gone are the day of local food processing and distribution. We live in a bizzarro world like nothing that has been before. Aus strategic fuel reserves are sitting in the US.. We will never see that coming back.
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Post by spatial on Sept 16, 2023 17:56:13 GMT 10
There’s a huge misunderstanding about the power of the government during a collapse of society. The government and the police have no real power. All they have is the illusion of power, reinforced by the acceptance of the vast majority of people to abide by the laws set by the government. When that ratio changes, when the vast majority of people decide not to abide by the law, the police and government become powerless. Just like in some US cities at the moment. The government knows this, which is why they turn up the heat very gradually. A sudden mass confiscation of firearms might well shift this equation. Do they really want to pi$$ off almost 1 million armed citizens? Yip I have posted on this many times, policing ratios in Aus No of police per population is very low, they also have families and need resources.. Central policing will have to make decision on what is strategic important and then will let the rest burn. Or martial law and shoot anyone moving in the streets. Like what they did during the pandemic, even then they had problems controlling people. No lights no cameras no food people wont care. This was on the news yesterday axe welding woman threatening people, the police get a specialised squad in to deal with it not to kill her and she ends up dying from a taser and bean bag shot.. Now major investigation why she died. People no longer fear the police and the police don't have the right protocols in place for a massive riots breaking out all over... Police force not allowed to take firearms home - gov does not trust them.. who do they trust? ? When your own gov does not trust you then loyalty can be had in question.... Allegedly axe-wielding woman dies after being tasered by NSW Police in Newcastle7news.com.au/news/nsw/allegedly-axe-wielding-woman-dies-after-being-tasered-by-nsw-police-in-newcastle-c-11908722 .
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