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Post by Beno on Sept 18, 2023 18:09:42 GMT 10
So it begins. As one goes cashless more or all will follow. Macquarie bank going cash less and cheque lessThere is all sorts of guff to support this. Far north QLD businesses are considering going cashless to reduce robberies. Many other businesses saying they won’t accept cash. Where does this take us? what alternatives are there? what do you intend to do? How full is your mattress and will we be able to use cash whenever we present it or will it be a case of send it back for “credits” or lose it?
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Post by Joey on Sept 18, 2023 18:21:24 GMT 10
I read an article the other day that all banks are slowly rolling it out with minor inconveniences for now such as removing ATMs(which has been happening for years) refusing to allow cash withdrawal from ATMs, limiting cash withdrawals from over the counter without a valid excuse as to why you need the cash withdrawn, etc Until the government changes the law, cash will remain a legal tender no matter what the banks sayh.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 18, 2023 18:40:18 GMT 10
Silver coins might be a good alternative to cash for small untracked transactions
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Post by tactile on Sept 18, 2023 20:05:21 GMT 10
I'm thinking US dollars...cant see them going cashless.
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Post by Beno on Sept 18, 2023 20:09:18 GMT 10
I’ve noticed the lack of ATMs for a long time too. My local bank is closing next month and retreating back to a bigger town.
Silver and pm’s might be useful but i suspect people will not be bothered to trade with it let alone know its value. I don’t think i could ever buy a tyre with gold, not while the eftpos and credit card systems are up and running. If that was not working due to a hack or malware then maybe a different storey.
If cash goes then you will never really own your money. your whole purchasing life will be available to the system and be exploited as such. I hope the gov don’t ever consider this change.
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Post by tactile on Sept 18, 2023 20:22:09 GMT 10
Silver and pm’s might be useful but i suspect people will not be bothered to trade with it let alone know its value. I don’t think i could ever buy a tyre with gold, not while the eftpos and credit card systems are up and running. If the person hasn't got a mega $$ handheld machine to confirm it's gold, then they wont trade. Lots of fake stuff out there now. To trade physical gold you have to stay within the mainstream buying companies who can stitch you up if you need to sell in a hurry. Ask me how I know. Luckily I wasn't in a hurry to sell. Another thing with gold is when the price goes up and you want to sell (like now), no one outside of the big buying houses want to buy...everyone is broke or holding onto their cash.
This makes silver more attractive because its cheaper and more accessible to the average person - easier to sell. The problem is to store a reasonable amount of wealth takes up space. $50k in silver takes up a lot of space, especially 1oz coins.
Crypto would be perfect if you could make it stable and guarantee the internet will stay up.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 18, 2023 21:01:31 GMT 10
We have some precious metals for their investment value and a protector of wealth. Not so much that you could call us wealthy mind you. Just a few thousand worth to have socked away as a diversification option more than anything. But one thing that I'm very aware of is that to sell, you MUST have someone willing to buy. We're fortunate enough to be close enough to Perth to go to the Perth Mint to sell should we want to cash out. The government is always going to have a bit more flex to buy than private dealers. Of course that obviously means that you have to be willing to sell at the price that they're buying, which is generally spot. That's why keeping metals as a hedge is only effective if you buy it and hold it for a decent period of time so that when you cash out, you're getting some sort of profit from the trade. You'll never make money as a physical investment if you're trying to day-trade it because you'll have capital gains to pay when you cash out. But if it comes to needing to cash out those metals because everything's gone haywire, even a small loss of slightly lower than spot is going to be our view because we bought when spot was a significant percentage lower than it is now.
SOME larger dealers probably have more flex to buy than smaller vendors but again, you're going to get a less favourable price in general unless you have a really good relationship with your vendor. We don't buy often enough to have built rapport with any local vendors so we're relying more firmly on the Mint when push comes to shove.
It's obviously far from a foolproof plan but I'd rather have something that I don't hold personal sentimental value in like wedding rings etc. to trade if I needed money or supplies desperately.
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Post by tactile on Sept 19, 2023 8:06:03 GMT 10
The place I deal with here in Melbourne pays spot.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 19, 2023 8:49:00 GMT 10
Hope you have that silver physically in your possession Stealth, otherwise u don't own it.
We have a bit of crypto, just in case.
The ANZ closed the branch in town about 12 months ago and removed the ATM machine, so we now transferred it all across to the local credit union, stuff em !
The USA dollar is finished, the debt is so high it can never be re-payed and the markets now that. Why it hasn't collapsed by now is a mystery, perhaps the Govt is better at pulling the wool over most peoples eyes than we thought.
Chinese Yuan might be a good investment.
We know that the elites want a one world currency, and the only way to get that to happen is to collapse the independent currency's that exist now and then introduce a guaranteed income, based on blockchain. This would allow traceability and control over everything and everyone. You don't take the latest kill shot, no more income for you until you conform.
Ditto for ownership of private property, one world Govt and they own it all. Think you will be safe at your BOL with shipping containers full of bullets, beans and booze ?
How will the general population react ? Most probably wont notice until its too late to do anything, like the frog being slowly boiled, doesn't realize until its too late that its doomed. Its a slow motion train wreck and under way now, very subtly, but for those awake, noticeable.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 19, 2023 10:03:58 GMT 10
One US nation wide bank I use there credit card for some things to maintain a time table of transactions for some things.. For most everyday living expenses I use a credit union credit card that pays back a percentage in bonus money.. This works well for me..
I had trouble getting the national bank to send paper monthly statements to keep on file. Them saying ...you can just print it off the internet... No.. I don't use the internet for that and I don't have a printer available.. NOT telling them I indeed do use internet to monitor my accounts..
I have thought before a good stash of common coins could be more valuable than many think one day.. The Canadian system was nice in that they don't use the penny and have $1 and $2 coins..
There seems to be more independent, regional (?) banks now than ever.. I would be hesitant to use anything but a name brand nation wide bank however local credit unions seem quite popular and stable.. I would be afraid of stopping one day to find ...Bobs Bank.. closed...
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Post by frostbite on Sept 19, 2023 15:34:30 GMT 10
My silver coins arrived today. 22 x 1 oz silver. These are not for investment, they are to trade for items if cash is banned and the government is restricting what I can buy with a digital currency. I will be increasing this number gradually and also increasing my other trade items, like razor blades, soap and tooth brushes. I also keep cash as a third option. More fingers in more pies.
Silver should make trade easier than barter because I won’t need to find a seller who has what I want but also wants what I have. I have no intention of selling it to a bullion trader.
I’m not scared of widespread seizures of privately owned property by government. I suspect If that ever happens on a nation wide basis that will be when the government learns the power they think they have is just an illusion. I just can’t see aussie homeowners, even the scaredy cat ones who got jabbed, willingly giving up the home they have spent most of their lives paying off.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 19, 2023 15:53:51 GMT 10
"I’m not scared of widespread seizures of privately owned property by government. I suspect If that ever happens on a nation wide basis that will be when the government learns the power they think they have is just an illusion. I just can’t see Aussie homeowners, even the scaredy cat ones who got jabbed, willingly giving up the home they have spent most of their lives paying off. "
That is my thought as well, but it wont be us against the Aussie Govt jerks, it will be Aussies against the NWO. They have the might behind them and our wishes wont matter a bit to their plan for world dominance and control.
People showed that they are weak by adhering to the lock-downs, and now that's happened, maybe we are a bit wiser now and there will be a push back.
Obviously, an armed population must be disarmed first, so expect door to door gun confiscation. Despite my harping about having a backup, or even a backup-backup of essential equipment, Its impossible to have a backup weapon that's not illegal at present.
I would like to think we have it in us to stand up to this tyranny and stare them down, but Australia is a big place with a captive population mostly on the east coast.
We do live in the most interesting time in history.
Stress. When things go wrong I have a habit of just saying “ah, well, never mind”. I never stress about anything. If it isn’t going to kill me or my family I simply don’t worry about it.
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Post by Beno on Sept 19, 2023 16:11:43 GMT 10
I’m interested in what people will do without cash in an otherwise normal world. It is just a tax grab as the cash economy through things like local markets, trades etc is in the billions of dollars. I just don’t like the idea that everything i buy can be traced so easily. Cash reduces the traceability in many things. I don’t do illegal stuff but still don’t want to be monitored for everything i purchase and do and have my money completely controlled.
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Post by norseman on Sept 19, 2023 16:53:32 GMT 10
I’m interested in what people will do without cash in an otherwise normal world. It is just a tax grab as the cash economy through things like local markets, trades etc is in the billions of dollars. I just don’t like the idea that everything i buy can be traced so easily. Cash reduces the traceability in many things. I don’t do illegal stuff but still don’t want to be monitored for everything i purchase and do and have my money completely controlled. The Government could try to ban cash but what happens if 24 million Aussies out of 26 million decide they are still going to keep using it?
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Post by frostbite on Sept 19, 2023 17:44:17 GMT 10
Like mate, what will Abdul and Mohammad use to buy their black market glocks under the counter at Bankstown kebab shop when cash is banned?
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Post by Stealth on Sept 20, 2023 19:10:31 GMT 10
Hope you have that silver physically in your possession Stealth, otherwise u don't own it. We do. Diversification means not holding all of your eggs in one basket so it's kept in a safe place, but I absolutely wouldn't trust a storage facility or bank to hold our (somewhat meagre) wealth protection. That's madness imo. When bank runs happen they lock down ALL functions, including the access of safe deposit boxes etc. And if SHTF I have absolutely zero faith that a storage facility isn't going to be a target. It's definitely safe at the bottom of the lake after our tragic boating accident where we lost it all, that is.
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Post by norseman on Sept 21, 2023 17:00:14 GMT 10
So pretty much when two hundred Master tards in Federal Government ban cash, if the vast majority of the population continue to use it as their preferred Medium of Exchange then it will maintain some value! Forget Gold, Silver, Crypto! If twenty million plus Aussies continue to use cash because it's all they really understand then cash will still be king!
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 21, 2023 17:08:47 GMT 10
Until cash either wears out, or is deliberately removed from circulation.
There is no inflation, its all hot air !!
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Post by norseman on Sept 21, 2023 17:42:29 GMT 10
Until cash either wears out, or is deliberately removed from circulation. There is no inflation, its all hot air !! "Deliberately removed from circulation", yes which would mean some type of Gooberment intervention by way of Police Goon Squads etc! But it's still cash and when the time comes it will never, ever be going back into a Financial device such as a bank or ATM! Free flowing cash in the hands of the population will be good to go!
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Post by spinifex on Sept 21, 2023 20:09:11 GMT 10
Cash will always be around. It works when the grid is down. And even dopey Govt understands it helps maintain order and stability in times when the grid is down. I lived it several years ago when power and data networks in my part of regional SA went out of action for 3.5 days.
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