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Post by malewithatail on Sept 30, 2023 9:38:07 GMT 10
I originally put this in preppers diary, but decided the info was better off in its own place.
My 16 Survivor flash gig drive can hold all the family videos of the kids for the last 20 years, all my e books, and over 6,000, 78 rpm music disks, and still got enough room (about 2.5 gigs) for more stuff. Flash disks are quick and convenient, but have issues in using for long term storage. 1) The cells are prone to 'wear' when written to, the read process doesn't cause any issues, and most are OK for at least 10,000 cycles. The cells are actually a small capacitor, and just like its larger brothers in radios etc, cycling degrades the dielectric leading to leakage and lost bits. There is special software on the disk to level out that wear process, but eventually its gonna start failing. 2) The charge can 'leak' off after time, much like a standard capacitors charge does, so periodically plugging it in for a few minutes refreshes the data on a modern disk. Some older disks should be copied to a hard drive, reformatted, and then the data copied back every 10 years max. This stops the leakage issues. 3) Temperature is your enemy. Keep them in a cool place, away from external electric fields. High temperatures exasperate the degradation by increasing the movement of the atoms in the crystal structure, leading to them being ejected from the crystal and data loss. 4) The data is contained in 'quantum' cells and is subject to degradation from cosmic rays, as these cells are so small. Each bit requires a separate cell, so on that chip is billions of individual cells, jammed together, so a stray radiation particle can easily hit a cells, flipping or even destroying its contents. Obviously, an EMP or CME will kill the disk totally, so get the survivor series I mentioned above. (I have no involvement at all with any company pushing these disks). 5) Random decay in the cells can also lead to data loss, plugging it in every so often and reading/writing something to it will trigger the error correction software to check the disk. 6) You get what you pay for, cheap Chinese disks are just that. Ive had several fail within a year or two, the data just fades away, leaving random corruption in files. That's OK if you just want to move data around from PC to PC or UNI etc, but spend the bucks and get a good quality disk for long term storage use. 7) ALWAYS use the eject disk function. This prevents data being corrupted as it may be being written to at that moment. What do I use ? As well as the aforementioned Survivor disk, I have several good quality flash cards, and backup regularly to these and an external 640 gig hard drive. This is then copied onto another PC in the radio room (Win7), my tablet (Android, stay away from any Apple product as they are spying on you), and an old Notebook PC with a 64 gig solid state drive running windows XP. I have another notebook PC running win 7 that the data gets dropped onto every so often as well. Backup, backup, backup is the key. I don't know if any of this will work, but at least WTSHTF I can say I tried. These disk backups are stored in my EMP safe in the power room. I also occasionally backup to a few DVD R/W disks, although hardware for doing this is becoming scarce now. My ultimate backup is the original 78 rpm disks, and a wind up acoustic player from 1919. All guaranteed to be EMP/CME safe and will provide entertainment after the collapse. (Think a dance in the local hall with music supplied from the gramophone, aka 1920's style !)
My wife was right, so I'm Right no more.
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Post by Joey on Sept 30, 2023 15:33:43 GMT 10
The question though is, say for instance CME/EMP event, the computer is fried to read all this data. I reckon if you have the time/resources to print off all the ebooks, manuals etc you have a hard copy. But the problem is looking at what prepping-related manuals I have saved on my computer at the moment, its about 2Gb of books, manuals, projects etc and thats a lot of paper and ink to print and a small fortune to send them off to a print shop to have done up sadly.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 30, 2023 15:52:29 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Oct 1, 2023 11:55:36 GMT 10
The question though is, say for instance CME/EMP event, the computer is fried to read all this data. I reckon if you have the time/resources to print off all the ebooks, manuals etc you have a hard copy. But the problem is looking at what prepping-related manuals I have saved on my computer at the moment, its about 2Gb of books, manuals, projects etc and thats a lot of paper and ink to print and a small fortune to send them off to a print shop to have done up sadly. Yeah that's my though ultimately. Having things in digital form is the short, sweet and effective storage for an electrically capable society. But that's going to be relatively useless if you want to prove to someone that isn't physically located near the only working digital device to view said document and their devices went bang along with everyone else's. It's important to have things saved digitally but ultimately physical copies (especially of legal documents like birth certs etc.) are the essential option. Several copies of, stored in different places so that they're not all at risk from the same fire/flood/inability to access them issue. I've got heaps of copies of digital documents as well and yeah. Definitely would cost an arm and a leg to print them all out. I've taken to simply buying physical copies of a few books that I consider to be pretty essential but sometimes you just gotta balance the risk of not having a physical copy against "Do I really need three books that have mostly the same info in them with a few variations". It really comes down to paying for the most broad, useful information that you can. It's definitely not a cheap endeavour to build a library of either professional books or ratchet print-jobs haha.
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Post by Joey on Oct 1, 2023 12:56:32 GMT 10
Having a browse through my saved manuals and documents, I could just imagine the news headlines if I ever got raided or anything lol "with vast military manuals on combat operations and even a 'survival manual' from the church of later day saints" lol
I could probably purge a lot of what I've got and just reduce them to the homesteading-type stuff which I'm fairly short on, especially stuff around homesteading projects and fruit/veggie growing
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 1, 2023 13:40:09 GMT 10
Theres a lesson in there somewhere !!!
Since we are defining things, a gun is a cordless hole puncher.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 1, 2023 15:34:32 GMT 10
Makes no difference, anything can and will be used against you, no matter how innocent it is. So just to hell with it all and enjoy life, tread on a few toes and never regret anything.
If I'm ever on life support, unplug me then plug me back in and see if that works
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Post by bug on Oct 6, 2023 13:42:19 GMT 10
Cosmic rays are an interesting one. They are very present at ground level. Many museums have display cloud chambers where you can see the different particles hitting. The fact that it is indoors shows that buildings provide very little protection. Besides paper, the best protection is going to be to keep an old microwave as a faraday cage and store vulnerable items in it.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 6, 2023 14:06:39 GMT 10
Also, random radioactive decay from the soil and rocks can also cause disruptions to the data matrix. Even sea water is somewhat radioactive. I have several dead microwave ovens that Ive repurposed as Faraday cages. Its not hard.
And my main backup hard drive is 2 Tb, not 640 gigs as I said before. Our Christian beliefs say they wont win in the end, Jesus is coming again and all will be restored. It wont be us or our weapons, preps or anything else that brings them down, that calls for a supernatural power, but boy, its gonna be an interesting time to be around when it happens.
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Post by bug on Oct 6, 2023 15:24:06 GMT 10
I still have a Sharp microwave from the 1970s. Japanese built, still works. Incredibly heavy.
The thing is, the door actually shuts and seals tight, not like the chinese crap that is sold now. When it is ancient enough to finally die, it will make a great faraday cage.
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Post by tactile on Oct 6, 2023 17:46:06 GMT 10
Many, many years ago when I was a domestic service tech, I got called out to fix a microwave at a Chinese restaurant. It was a common fix with a Sharp microwave but when I took the cover off I found someone had bridged over the safety switch for the door. They said they wanted to keep heating the ingredients while stirring with the door open! Wonder if that cook still has his hand.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 7, 2023 8:38:15 GMT 10
The early microwave ovens were built with a magnetron that had a substantially thicker cathode for the emission of electrons. Over the years, manufacturers realized they could make it cheaper by not using as thick a coating, but, it 'wears' out quicker. This is due to ion bombardment as well as physically using it up during operation. One shouldn't run a microwave without anything in it as that will cause ionic bombardment of the cathode, 'pensioning' its surface. If your oven is failing, then put a large container of water in it, turn onto high for about 20 minutes. This can sometimes 'boil' another layer of electron producing material from deep within the cathode. Theoretically, you should also over run the heater at 50 % more power at the same time to help heat it up hotter than usually, to boil off the ions, which then get attracted to the anode and are neutralized there.
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