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Oct 18, 2023 7:15:07 GMT 10
Post by malewithatail on Oct 18, 2023 7:15:07 GMT 10
In 2008, the Australian Government has banned 'high power lasers", that is greater than 1 mw. Last week that ban was reintroduced, along with a ban on "high power led torches".
Ive trolled trough the legislation and it would seem that there are some allowances for "high power" lasers allowed under permit. These permits can be issued for specific tasks, "reasonable excuse" is what they are calling it, and its been around since 2012. Such as Astronomical instruments and hunting equipment.
https://ablis.business.gov.au/service/nsw/prohibited-weapons-laser-pointer-permit/38066
Its all bit of a dogs breakfast of regulation and rules, but, if you have a legitimate reason for needing a laser pointer (lets not get into the terminology, these jerks think to all lasers are laser pointers and don't know any different). that is more powerful than 1 mw, say for Astronomical purposes, or shooting, and you have the appropriate shooting license, or are a bona fidi member of an Astronomical Club or organization, then you can get a permit costing $180 to allow you to legally use such a device. The legislation is unclear as to whether that's per year or a one off cost, and whether its per license or weapon. Typically, they don't even know what they are legislating. That will allow a device up to 10 or 20 mw.
Why have "high power" LED torches been banned as well ? No mention of them in the legislation.
I will admit that some of them are powerful, and could damage eye sight if looked at, but, surely there has to be level of consumer responsibility ? Wrap up the useless eaters in cotton wool in case they hurt themselves ?
And if you shine these things at an aeroplane, then you deserve the full extent of the law to come down on you. That's unacceptable behavior, but why punish those who do the right thing ?
I have a bulb type torch. It runs from a 12 v, 12 amp hr lead acid battery for about 20 minutes on high power. Its basically a twin 150 watt halogen car driving light bulb in a large rubber waterproof housing, and made many years ago. Its capable of floodlighting a 40 acre paddock in one go, and you would be stupid to look at it directly. It would blind you. Some modern LED torches are approaching that intensity, but a led torch is not a contiguous beam, IE: All light photons lined up and parallel to each other. That's what gives a laser its immense power in the direction of light output.
Anyway, I have some laser certification and documentation somewhere as a operator of high power laser gear (KW stuff for metal cutting and instrumentation), in industry, I must find the paperwork and put it in the gun cabinet along with the licenses, just in case. And Then I can justify my use of these "high power" lasers for shooting.
Who is going to confiscate those weapons? Once you start going door to door confiscating weapons the new Civil War will have officially started. Do these morons understand that?
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Oct 18, 2023 13:35:33 GMT 10
Post by spatial on Oct 18, 2023 13:35:33 GMT 10
I have not looked into the legislation, but a year back was at a gun shop and a person wanted to purchase a laser, the shop owner requested a shooters license. Sis he cant sell it to him without a reason to own. They guy got upset and left.
Not sure if there are different rules for power levels.
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Oct 18, 2023 15:01:33 GMT 10
Post by malewithatail on Oct 18, 2023 15:01:33 GMT 10
A shooters license is a valid reason to have a laser greater than 1 mw, but less than 10 mw in your possession. Unfortunately, it is still classified as a prohibited device, so you will need a permit, available from somewhere for $185 per year ?
I wasn't asked for any license (I have a class C anyway), but was asked what I wanted it for. I replied I already had one and wanted another for the shot gun, no issues. I have also bough ammo there before, so they probably recognized the name.
Found my laser accreditation documents and I am licensed up to 1 KW, that's a BIG laser !! Expiry date of 2030. Must be valid for 10 years.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:49:44 GMT 10
Post by frostbite on Oct 18, 2023 17:49:44 GMT 10
What’s the fascination with lasers? I can see how they might be useful to bore sight a firearm, but can’t think of any tactical use unless you’re using an infrared model in conjunction with a night vision unit.
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Oct 19, 2023 7:23:25 GMT 10
Post by malewithatail on Oct 19, 2023 7:23:25 GMT 10
I also have a bore sighter that is the size of a .22 shell. You put it in the chamber, turn it on and aim the red dot to where you want to sight in to, say 15 meters, 50 foot. Then adjust the scope and green/red dots to overlap and wallah ! Sighted in in minutes, no noise, no wasted ammo all done. Then to the range in the paddock, pace out to the 50 foot range mark and put a test round through. Perfect. What having the laser gear has shown up though is how shaky my hand is !!
To sight in a 223, 12g etc, I just use the appropriate adapter sleeve.
If you were closer here you could have a go with my green dots, and I reckon that the next time you visit a gun shop, you will be getting one for yourself. The only disadvantages I can see is the slight extra weight and a bit more bulk on top of the scope, but the advantages are worth a little inconvenience.
An IR laser would not show up on thermal gear, unless u looked directly at it and that wouldn't be a good idea as the thermal sensor may be damaged, but might on IR NV gear though.
During an event, I would be patrolling with the thermal gear, and if someone is on the place, turn on the green dot and maybe the high power torch. This lets 'em know they have been spotted and to f'off or else.
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Oct 19, 2023 14:15:14 GMT 10
Post by frostbite on Oct 19, 2023 14:15:14 GMT 10
I remember a post on a US gun forum, from a guy with a ccw who was sitting in a burger place when an armed punk walked in to rob it. The punk was aiming his gun at the counter staff, demanding money, and wasn’t aware that Mr CCW was armed behind him.
Mr CCW draws his pistol, stands up and tells the punk to drop his gun. Punk instantly spins around and shoots Mr CCW, the bullet entering his forearm and exiting near his elbow. Luckily Mr CCW fired at the same time and his round killed the punk almost instantly. Mr CCW ended up with a hefty hospital bill, his pistol seized ( later returned) and his name and address plastered all over the newspaper for everyone, including the dead punks friends and family, to see. He wasn’t charged.
What you are doing by turning your laser or light onto an intruder is exactly what Mr CCW did. He gave up the tactical advantage he had and suffered the consequences. Much better if you just call out very quickly in the darkness for the intruder to surrender.
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Oct 19, 2023 14:45:25 GMT 10
Post by Tim Horton on Oct 19, 2023 14:45:25 GMT 10
I fired a Ruger 10/22 rifle in 22lr that came with a red laser that mounted to the front of the stock where the usual barrel band would be.. Even coming from the Ruger factory, I'm sure it wasn't an expensive laser.. It worked OK for length of the chicken house or barn ...issues... but not so good across the paddock.. Also have to admit when dealing with a chicken killing weasel with the body size of a banana, it is hard to hit.. A shotgun would have worked for the predator, but the damage would have been more significant..
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Oct 20, 2023 6:17:12 GMT 10
Post by malewithatail on Oct 20, 2023 6:17:12 GMT 10
Patrolling after the fall, find someone in the paddock using the thermal gear. Tell them via the loudhailer to f off, then follow up with a green dot to the chest, just to reinforce the fact they have actually been spotted.
That's what its all about.....
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Oct 20, 2023 7:25:37 GMT 10
Post by spatial on Oct 20, 2023 7:25:37 GMT 10
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Oct 20, 2023 12:53:41 GMT 10
Post by malewithatail on Oct 20, 2023 12:53:41 GMT 10
My understanding is that an IR laser cant be seen with consumer grade thermal gear, except perhaps if its powerful enough to warm up a spot on something. The source may be able to be seen, if its warm, but that's all. However, It can be seen with IR gear, as the IR gear is sensitive to the actual beam light frequency, which is different to the heat frequency that is given off by a black body, where it reflects off 'stuff' in the atmosphere, as well as whatever it hits will reflect the IR light.
That said, most consumer grade IR gear is not stealthy and needs IR illumination to light up the target.
Modern Military NV gear is combined IR and thermal, for this very reason.
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