bce1
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Post by bce1 on Oct 28, 2023 16:40:31 GMT 10
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frostbite
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Post by frostbite on Oct 28, 2023 17:09:26 GMT 10
It means big price rises for any firearms, ammunition or parts made in the US.
$300 per thousand primers will sound like a bargain in a few months.
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Post by Stealth on Oct 28, 2023 18:09:05 GMT 10
Why would they do that? Interesting.
Edit to add: There's a decent amount of sarcasm in that statement that I feel like I probably should flag hahaha.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 28, 2023 18:25:23 GMT 10
Don’t think this is what it seems. I see they are saying ban doesn’t include existing contracts. Surely supply to Oz is under existing contracts?
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 29, 2023 2:26:41 GMT 10
A bit of trivia...
While in Canada I could not order a used replacement stock from a US firearms parts supplier, this for an old shotgun.. This was for an old bolt action, 3 shot 12ga what would be considered a ..barn gun.. This mainly because it was an obvious firearms part.. Bolts, screws, pins, springs, other machined parts not ..obviously.. firearms parts were OK..
The Lake City US army ammo plant, operated by contractor Winchester, is capable of producing much ammo over and above amounts ordered or required by the armed forces..
Recently Biden has prohibited sales of any ammo from US government plants to the civilian market..
Does that mean the government or some other country wants, will need this ammo ?? It is suspected this is just a way to keep the ammo out of US civilian hands.. ??
You down under, the BBC, or other news sources are likely to have more info on this than any US media will know or broadcast..
Facts, details, rumors, thoughts ??
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 29, 2023 6:46:29 GMT 10
Ammunition could be the new gold standard........
One report I read re this is that they are also banning the export of related products, and named night vis gear. Got yours yet ?
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Post by Joey on Oct 29, 2023 7:39:31 GMT 10
For a while, there were ITAR export bans on current-generation military gear like gen5+ night vision, thermals etc
As far as the ammo thing, I think we can all see that the US getting involved in an armed conflict is in the very near future so they will be majorly upping the military ammo orders to have mega stockpiles ready to go
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Post by Stealth on Oct 29, 2023 11:50:21 GMT 10
For a while, there were ITAR export bans on current-generation military gear like gen5+ night vision, thermals etc As far as the ammo thing, I think we can all see that the US getting involved in an armed conflict is in the very near future so they will be majorly upping the military ammo orders to have mega stockpiles ready to go This is my thought. How much ammo do the US ship out to 'infrequent contracts' every year? I'm not talking large scale, organised contracts. I'm thinking smaller companies that are largely unaccounted for in comparison to the large producers. In three months, it would have to be a whole heckin' lot. They get it in at a discount from large scale producers, and then sell it on. They're not banning existing contracts, but how many providers ship on an infrequent (ie. not repeat order) basis. The reason that it raises my eyebrow is pretty simple. It's not just about the stock not going out of the country that interests me. It's the willingness to not collect the related taxes involved in those sales for three. whole. months. in an environment where their economy very much can't afford to lose incidental sales tax gains. So the thing that interests me is that they're not just not shipping ammo out (and guns although I'd figure ammo is of higher interest). They're willing to lose three months of income on those sales. Even on incidental sales, you'd have to imagine that it wouldn't be a small amount. "The Commerce Department did not provide further details for the pause, which also includes shotguns and optical sights, but said an urgent review will assess the "risk of firearms being diverted to entities or activities that promote regional instability, violate human rights, or fuel criminal activities." This comment alone makes me almost laugh out loud. When in the history of the United States has commerce cared even the slightest jot about any of those three problems?!! They practically help to FUND them! It's hilarious that they're using that as the justification for the halt. |
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Post by Joey on Oct 29, 2023 17:12:42 GMT 10
For a while, there were ITAR export bans on current-generation military gear like gen5+ night vision, thermals etc As far as the ammo thing, I think we can all see that the US getting involved in an armed conflict is in the very near future so they will be majorly upping the military ammo orders to have mega stockpiles ready to go This is my thought. How much ammo do the US ship out to 'infrequent contracts' every year? I'm not talking large scale, organised contracts. I'm thinking smaller companies that are largely unaccounted for in comparison to the large producers. In three months, it would have to be a whole heckin' lot. They get it in at a discount from large scale producers, and then sell it on. They're not banning existing contracts, but how many providers ship on an infrequent (ie. not repeat order) basis. The reason that it raises my eyebrow is pretty simple. It's not just about the stock not going out of the country that interests me. It's the willingness to not collect the related taxes involved in those sales for three. whole. months. in an environment where their economy very much can't afford to lose incidental sales tax gains. So the thing that interests me is that they're not just not shipping ammo out (and guns although I'd figure ammo is of higher interest). They're willing to lose three months of income on those sales. Even on incidental sales, you'd have to imagine that it wouldn't be a small amount. "The Commerce Department did not provide further details for the pause, which also includes shotguns and optical sights, but said an urgent review will assess the "risk of firearms being diverted to entities or activities that promote regional instability, violate human rights, or fuel criminal activities." This comment alone makes me almost laugh out loud. When in the history of the United States has commerce cared even the slightest jot about any of those three problems?!! They practically help to FUND them! It's hilarious that they're using that as the justification for the halt. Reminds of the fallout from Operation Fast and Furious where the US ATF sold over 2000 AR15 rifles directly to the Mexican cartels and got caught |
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