spatial
Senior Member
Posts: 2,396 
Likes: 1,560
|
Post by spatial on Dec 15, 2023 8:19:28 GMT 10
A friend of mine property was caught up in a bushfire yesterday, was close by and stopped over for a bit later. Power went out in the neighbourhood.
Gov cut internet and GPS services were problematic. Some persons waiting for every person to move at a traffic light causing a jam, other just driving through - no idea what to do when the lights go out. One woman just driving through he council road bloc.
No wonder every year people go through flooded water and come to grief - not prepared just want to go to their safe space - take a risk without understanding the consequences.
Reliability of services, ambulance, power water etc. is good compared to other countries. A bit of an eye opener for level of self reliance in the communities.
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 15, 2023 8:29:36 GMT 10
Always said, have your own fire fighting gear, don't build where it floods, keep away from towns and cities, have your own power and water infrastructure so you are not as reliant on the 'system', 'cause that's how they will entrap you, again with the next Covid or whatever scare.
The option to override the self destruct expire@)>{5f$!!lks*;s?/.....
|
|
|
|
Post by Stealth on Dec 15, 2023 10:38:31 GMT 10
Yikes, I'm assuming your friend is ok but that's a pretty disturbing situation. Strange that they'd cut the internet though, are you sure it wasn't just service went out because of the situation (cabling damaged etc)? Not that it matters when you're IN the situation I guess.
The idea of having to get my family though rougher or slightly more difficult terrain was part of the reason I ended up with the ute that I got. It's not a 4wd, I had to balance the extra cost of a 4wd over 2wd over the life of the vehicle vs. how likely is it that I would need 4wd in an emergency AND be experienced enough with 4wding and to know what I'm even doing! 4wding is not my jam. Camping? Absolutely. Driving around sideways? I'm good haha. So I'd probably never go 4wding to gain the skills needed to drive a rated track let alone 'this hill that I need to get up with a tsunami up my back'. I'll do the best I can with what I have, which is probably a better vehicle than most people bundling their families and fleeing for their lives would have access to.
But the Navara IS quite a lot higher off the ground than your average family sedan or SUV and is in general built to tolerate a mild amount of extra punishment. It can cope with the occasional gutter hopping to get around oblivious idiots or people who're steadfastly sticking to the rules when the situation calls for "MOVE. NOW". I don't drive like that in general but when I was looking for a new car I wanted to be able to if I had to! That being said, I also know how to scout flooded areas before driving into them and when to not take silly chances. I've seen small cars floating away in areas that look like the water wouldn't even hit the bottom of the door frame.
Anyway. Good insight and one that most people rarely get. When emergencies happen where even one essential service goes out people tend to flail wildly for a lot longer than is wise because they just don't have a plan for what to do!
|
|
norseman
VIP Member
Posts: 2,237
Likes: 1,888
|
Post by norseman on Dec 15, 2023 10:53:35 GMT 10
When we had the floods and the fires before that, the internet went down for a week plus! A few months back we got notification in the post from the council that we will get one of these:-  |
|
|
|
Post by Stealth on Dec 15, 2023 11:11:01 GMT 10
That's fantastic! Imagine if all local councils and shires were proactive with their constituents. It would probably send the message that being prepared for emergencies is... I don't know... SMART?!
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 15, 2023 11:21:12 GMT 10
We are on satellite internet and I wonder just how long it would last in a world wide war. All it would take is a few hunter/killer satellites to take out some infrastructure up there, and the debris field would multiple exponentially until all the satellites were destroyed or degraded, leaving a enormous mess of space junk orbiting the earth for millennia to come and rendering any space missions impossible. Sort of like Mutually Assured Destruction in the Nuke sense, but in space. Astronomy would be impossible from the earth based telescopes, and the multi-path reflections from all this junk would make terrestrial TV/radio reception on the VHF/UHF bands problematic.
Terrestrial comms would be overloaded, just imagine the load on the phone system with everyone who was on satellite now using their phone as a hot spot. Chaos.
Have you backup ham comms and/or UHF CB's to keep in contact with loved ones ? Have you practiced using them ?
A lot of the control of the power grid, especially in remoter areas, is via satellite, as are repair crew comms. All that would cease to work, almost instantly. Do you have a self guided car ? Not any more. Hope it has a manual setting.
No doubt, all sides have nuke satellites up there, ready to detonate and cause an EMP that will take out even more infrastructure and cause more chaos.
One day, we may all live in peace without evil people trying to kill us, change the weather or destroy vast tracts of land.
I just want you know, oh great and powerful Ceaser (The Government), that my God can save us from the pestilence (Covid, monkey pox and whatever they dream up next to kill the 90 %), but even if he doesn't, I just want you to know that as for me and my family, we will not bow down to you and worship you. (Even if you restrict our movements, access to services etc because we are not jabbed).
|
|
norseman
VIP Member
Posts: 2,237
Likes: 1,888
|
Post by norseman on Dec 15, 2023 12:48:35 GMT 10
We are on satellite internet and I wonder just how long it would last in a world wide war. All it would take is a few hunter/killer satellites to take out some infrastructure up there, and the debris field would multiple exponentially until all the satellites were destroyed or degraded, leaving a enormous mess of space junk orbiting the earth for millennia to come and rendering any space missions impossible. Sort of like Mutually Assured Destruction in the Nuke sense, but in space. Astronomy would be impossible from the earth based telescopes, and the multi-path reflections from all this junk would make terrestrial TV/radio reception on the VHF/UHF bands problematic. Terrestrial comms would be overloaded, just imagine the load on the phone system with everyone who was on satellite now using their phone as a hot spot. Chaos. Have you backup ham comms and/or UHF CB's to keep in contact with loved ones ? Have you practiced using them ? A lot of the control of the power grid, especially in remoter areas, is via satellite, as are repair crew comms. All that would cease to work, almost instantly. Do you have a self guided car ? Not any more. Hope it has a manual setting. No doubt, all sides have nuke satellites up there, ready to detonate and cause an EMP that will take out even more infrastructure and cause more chaos. One day, we may all live in peace without evil people trying to kill us, change the weather or destroy vast tracts of land. I just want you know, oh great and powerful Ceaser (The Government), that my God can save us from the pestilence (Covid, monkey pox and whatever they dream up next to kill the 90 %), but even if he doesn't, I just want you to know that as for me and my family, we will not bow down to you and worship you. (Even if you restrict our movements, access to services etc because we are not jabbed). Yes even my landline is a satellite dish and when the power goes down we lose that even! |
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 15, 2023 15:24:49 GMT 10
Our backup is hot spot on the pocket phone, but the reception is pathetic here anyway, so its for emergency use only. And that's probably all it needs to be. Remember, a text will get through when voice wont, and if its kept short, will transmit in a second or two, clearing congestion.
Success in life is not for those who run fast, but for those who keep running and always on the move.
|
|
frostbite
VIP Member
Posts: 5,719
Likes: 7,119
|
Post by frostbite on Dec 15, 2023 16:37:02 GMT 10
I’m not really fussed about comms. What’s happening 30km, 300km or 3000km has no impact on my little slice of paradise. The kids are fairly self reliant, would be nice to know how they’re fairing but I have confidence in them.
|
|
Tim Horton
Senior Member
Posts: 1,945
Likes: 1,996
|
Post by Tim Horton on Dec 16, 2023 3:51:09 GMT 10
We are predicted to have a ..brown Christmas.. here... It happens occasionally.. The problem is without a base of light snow, thaw, freeze cycle then repeat a number of times this leaves all vegetation bone dry down to ground level and an extreme fire danger..
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 16, 2023 7:07:06 GMT 10
But what is happening 300 km way will affect you. Rampaging mobs, civil war, real war even. Knowing they are happening and being prepared for their possible arrival is vital intel. Never overlook any information, however small or irrelevant it seems to you at this moment.
Extreme I know, but knowing a radioactive cloud is drifting towards you gives you time to shelter. Knowing a bad weather event is coming is forewarning.
We have most of our families here now, so will know whats happening. Plan B's to get them from town or work WTSHTF are in place. Time will be of the essence here. Roads will be closed off and travel restricted quite quickly at the time. Covid shutdowns were a practice.
The next thing to do is to hang all the consultants.
|
|
|
|
Post by Joey on Dec 16, 2023 7:19:57 GMT 10
Still waiting for my Icom 7300 to be sent by Icom. The shipping container arrived this week and had to be receipted etc before they can ship them to the dealers, so if I'm lucky it'll turn up this week. Otherwise, I have my 2m/70cm dual bander for local comms if I can ever get anyone on it and I've got the UHF antenna rigged up, just got to pull my finger out and mount the radio on my radio shelf for local comms. Got a 10m antenna and roof mounting kit on the way as well which should arrive this week, I will have to wait until after xmas when I get back from holiday to mount up.
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 16, 2023 7:36:31 GMT 10
I predict that 27 meg, 11 m CB will re emerge as a viable comms medium after TSHTF.
There must be heaps of older AM/SSB rigs stashed away in peoples attics etc, ready to make a comeback.
Weather people will remember how to use them is another matter. I have a Pierce/Simpson set up with a suitable 5/8 aerial, and can hear chatter on it, probably South American truckers.
And yes, 27 meg CB is still legal to use.
Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
|
|
spatial
Senior Member
Posts: 2,396
Likes: 1,560
|
Post by spatial on Dec 16, 2023 12:12:01 GMT 10
It was strange that phone services were left open but internet browsing on mobile network disabled. Google maps etc not working.
They might of done that to reduce bandwidth load on the mobile systems. Local power was cut so left to mobile text and voice.
There were a few fire engines on the property, later just prior to leaving one of the crews said that if there is any problems call 000, any calls from the area are automatically escalated to a dedicated service and they can get a truck back in 2minutes. Gov has completed control on all comms, sent text to all persons in an area. I suppose if there is rioting or looting they can shut it all down to prevent any coordination and news spreading..
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 16, 2023 12:34:06 GMT 10
Texts will often get through when voice wont, so its worth trying.
Yes, the Govt can command complete control over communications in an emergency. And they determine the emergency conditions.
Having worked on local Councils, they can shut down a road within minutes, so to leave town in a situation, your gonna have to be quick.
And the Govt doesn't like viewpoints different to theirs, hence the reason to have independent communication methods.
Data beats opinions most times... that's my opinion, though I have no data on that.
|
|
bug
Senior Member
Posts: 2,316
Likes: 1,934
|
Post by bug on Dec 18, 2023 7:46:09 GMT 10
The CCP will quickly bring down various networks in the event of conflict. Their equipment is everywhere, despite the known Huawei issue. All CCP companies are required by the national security law to allow government access to do whatever they want. Internet, utilities etc. They'll drop like flies.
The mayhem on the roads when everyone's car GPS starts getting the old 100-200m error back in it will be a sight to behold.
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 18, 2023 8:03:59 GMT 10
"The mayhem on the roads when everyone's car GPS starts getting the old 100-200m error back in it will be a sight to behold."
Or driving off cliffs, into rivers and each other.
Friends may come and friends may go but enemies accumulate.
|
|
frostbite
VIP Member
Posts: 5,719
Likes: 7,119
|
Post by frostbite on Dec 18, 2023 8:16:43 GMT 10
How does your car’s gps determine where your car goes? Isn’t that determined by the relationship between steering wheel, throttle and numb nut behind the steering wheel?
will the CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters?
|
|
malewithatail
VIP Member
Posts: 3,963
Likes: 1,380
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
|
Post by malewithatail on Dec 18, 2023 9:18:32 GMT 10
Not any more......One word will suffice....Tesla. And BMW are also self driving, although you are not supposed to take your hands off the wheel, I predict, the temptation to play scrabble with the kids whilst driving somewhere will become too great. Just a few... www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/The last one has some junk videos on it, but the first one is the main one. Yes, its possible the CCP's claws could extend to Ham and commercial repeaters. The RFS, Ambos, Cops etc all rely on multiple linked repeaters to communicate, so take them down and chaos will ensue. Most things these days are wireless connected, WiFi etc, and these products mostly come from....China, so its logical to assume that there could be a surreptitious path to influence these devices from the CCCP. We have too much faith in technology, motor vehicles have a computer with in a lot of cases, WiFi connectivity. And from talking with mates who are automotive guys, BMW's are the worst. One 12 month old car had to be scrapped as the computer died and even Germany couldn't fix it. They changed it, reprogrammed etc but gave up and gave the chap a new car. Congratulations, you have a state of the art, stand alone solar power system. WiFi connectivity ?? Your sunk WTSHTF. Modern Ham transceiver with WiFi connectivity, likewise. Do you have the knowledge to build your own transmitter ? As Hams we are allowed to, and run without crystal controlled on channels as well. Can you design or build a transmitter and receiver from the gear in your shed, old valve type TV sets etc ? If not, learn now. Its a real kick to communicate with someone 20,000 km away on homemade gear, knowing that Ceaser cant interfere with it, well apart from deliberate jamming etc. My wife was right, so I'm Right no more. |
|
spatial
Senior Member
Posts: 2,396
Likes: 1,560
|
Post by spatial on Dec 19, 2023 6:17:53 GMT 10
How does your car’s gps determine where your car goes? Isn’t that determined by the relationship between steering wheel, throttle and numb nut behind the steering wheel? will the CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters? Tesla do activate certain functionality depending on which state you are driving and legality of autopilot in the area you are in. If GPS goes out your location is lost as well as speed - GPS can take you to the wrong location if bushfires or snow storms interfere with signal. Global outage due to EMP could disable an EV, some preppers consider a EV/Tesla as prefect end of world vehicle for the apocalypse - I think problematic. "CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters?" EV can be remotely disabled and blocked from operating. They did it to all the tractors that the Russians stole from Ukraine, Bad Actors will most definitely do it to EV's in countries of interest. |
|
