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Post by malewithatail on Dec 19, 2023 6:48:08 GMT 10
WW3 may well be a cyber war.
In the end, gravity wins.
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Post by bug on Dec 19, 2023 6:58:15 GMT 10
How does your car’s gps determine where your car goes? Isn’t that determined by the relationship between steering wheel, throttle and numb nut behind the steering wheel? will the CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters? Tesla do activate certain functionality depending on which state you are driving and legality of autopilot in the area you are in. If GPS goes out your location is lost as well as speed - GPS can take you to the wrong location if bushfires or snow storms interfere with signal. Global outage due to EMP could disable an EV, some preppers consider a EV/Tesla as prefect end of world vehicle for the apocalypse - I think problematic. "CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters?" EV can be remotely disabled and blocked from operating. They did it to all the tractors that the Russians stole from Ukraine, Bad Actors will most definitely do it to EV's in countries of interest. This is nothing to do with EVs other than that many of them are made in the CCP which presents a higher than usual risk for all cars made there. But since practically all new cars can be hacked, regardless of where they are made, it may be a moot point. The only cars independent of this are old cars. Even they will become useless once the petroleum supply chain disappears, which it will do very quickly. The only obvious way to avoid is by an EV conversion of an old car, without any of the wifi crap, and powered by your own home solar/battery setup. Outside of that, it's bicycles or horses.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 19, 2023 7:06:54 GMT 10
Our mode of transport when the oil is cut off will be a 1980's Triton duel cab ute, powered by wood gas. Simple, everlasting, no computer to screw up and parked on the hill, gravity start, so no battery needed. Anyway, it probably will not be a good idea to drive around when everyone else cant, that may attract some undesired attention.
Have enough fuel/oil etc for at least 3 years for the tractor and cultivator/chainsaw/fire pumps etc.
I carried a pushbike on the Ute when I was working away from home for many years. Its a legit way to travel a long way in a short time with minimal energy expenditure, and if TSHTF when I was away, time would be of the essence.
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Post by bug on Dec 19, 2023 9:50:05 GMT 10
Still loving my e-bike. It does 60km/h and can pull a trailer with around 80kg in it. Can go where a car cannot. Downside is that it's not really a bug out vehicle.
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Post by Joey on Dec 29, 2023 10:19:23 GMT 10
Tesla do activate certain functionality depending on which state you are driving and legality of autopilot in the area you are in. If GPS goes out your location is lost as well as speed - GPS can take you to the wrong location if bushfires or snow storms interfere with signal. Global outage due to EMP could disable an EV, some preppers consider a EV/Tesla as prefect end of world vehicle for the apocalypse - I think problematic. "CCP also bring down the repeater stations relied on by the HAMsters?" EV can be remotely disabled and blocked from operating. They did it to all the tractors that the Russians stole from Ukraine, Bad Actors will most definitely do it to EV's in countries of interest. This is nothing to do with EVs other than that many of them are made in the CCP which presents a higher than usual risk for all cars made there. But since practically all new cars can be hacked, regardless of where they are made, it may be a moot point. The only cars independent of this are old cars. Even they will become useless once the petroleum supply chain disappears, which it will do very quickly. The only obvious way to avoid is by an EV conversion of an old car, without any of the wifi crap, and powered by your own home solar/battery setup. Outside of that, it's bicycles or horses. I read an article that stated the modern cars made in CHina like the MGs that everybody seems to love running around in now they are cheap actually have more lines on computer code in them than a 747 jumbo which upload data to chinese servers
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 29, 2023 10:27:35 GMT 10
Everything Chinese that is computer related uploads data to the Chinese all the time. Don't buy any of it, even stuff u don't think is connected is, like a microwave oven I recently serviced. Found a unlabeled circuit board inside it and when plugged in, another node appeared on our wifi. Yup, it was the microwave oven connecting to the server, or trying to. Puled that plug out quickly, why a microwave ? Remote control of course, override the safety's and turn it on, flooding the area with caner waves. Simple.
Those who see the madness for what it is have only one escape: go to ground, fade from public view, become self-reliant and weather the coming storm in the nooks and crannies where cause and effect, skeptical inquiry, humility, prudence and thrift can still be nurtured.
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Post by bug on Dec 29, 2023 12:13:58 GMT 10
The data code in cars is awful. I've seen IT literate people say they are 10 years behind in programming. It doesn't take much searching to find images of people whose cars have been bricked because a software update fails. It's something that is really putting me off getting a new car.
The realist in me also sees that the touchscreens etc will die and be unrepairable in about 10 yrs time, right when the manufacturer will want to sell a new car.
Imagine having a difficult to repair vehicle in a scenario where parts are hard to come by.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 29, 2023 12:28:37 GMT 10
So right, just this morning my daughter said her car had no RHS indicators or 4 way flashers on that side. Traced it through, no fuse blown, but the issue is with the indicator lever on the steering wheel column. Obviously not user serviceable, none available new (Holden Astra), so 2nd hand perhaps. If not, I will have to try and pull it apart. Yes, the 4 way flashers run through the indicator switch.
And the proliferation of fuse types now.....
As my grandfather (he was a real smartalec his entire life!) once said when he sat me down to give me some advice: “They say three things happen to you when you get old. First, you lose your memory.” Then he said: “Uh, I forgot the other two. Let me get back to you.”
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Post by bug on Dec 29, 2023 14:42:42 GMT 10
One of the very, very few things I like about the CCP is that IP theft there is so rampant that when western companies deliberately produce non-standard parts to prevent you from repairing your car/whatever, there will be a copy of it available from there, albeit likely at a lower quality.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jan 5, 2024 11:17:37 GMT 10
It was strange that phone services were left open but internet browsing on mobile network disabled. Google maps etc not working. They might of done that to reduce bandwidth load on the mobile systems. Local power was cut so left to mobile text and voice. There were a few fire engines on the property, later just prior to leaving one of the crews said that if there is any problems call 000, any calls from the area are automatically escalated to a dedicated service and they can get a truck back in 2minutes. Gov has completed control on all comms, sent text to all persons in an area. I suppose if there is rioting or looting they can shut it all down to prevent any coordination and news spreading.. Could be that 4G and 5G were 'down' but 3G was up and working.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 5, 2024 11:36:04 GMT 10
Not for long....
"Customers using 3G mobile, IoT and network extension devices, some EFTPOS machines, medical devices and antennas that operate on the 3G network only will be able to continue using their device or antenna until 30 June 2024."
An Astronaut was asked what he thought about whilst perched on the top of a bomb called a rocket. He answered "I think about all the millions of bits n pieces, upon which my life depends, all supplied by the lowest bidder".
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 5, 2024 13:35:28 GMT 10
What would happen if a event similar to the Carrington event of 1859 occurred now ? Be prepared for the worst day in recorded human history. The whole world would be turned upside down. Are you prepared for no communications, internet, e-mails, transport, electricity grid, fuel and thousands of other things we rely upon to live/work/survive not being there ? Imagine the whole technological world being transported back to the 1850's. So much knowledge about growing crops has been lost, and so much reliance on firtalisers that we would be in deep dog poo. Do you have enough good quality hand cultivation implements to plant food-crops ? Or equipment that wont be affected by the EMP/CME event. There would certainly be a big die off, especially of older people and those in colder climates that rely on electricity for heating. No doubt, with all the eyes directed at the heavens at present, there would be warning. What to do ? First, disconnect all electrical appliances from the power. Turn off the main circuit breakers to prevent the pulse from entering your house. It may not stop an arc from forming in the fusebox, but every little helps. Turn off the cell phone etc, and place in a metal box, say the fridge. Chill out and watch the world lose its collective mind. Might be time to re listen to the one second/one year series again as I have the pod casts. For those on their own power, much the same applies, turn off the solar arrays, regulators, inverters etc and also the 240 v circuits to prevent a pulse fro entering the inverter through its output and frying it. If there was time, short circuit all the solar panels, but be careful as there is quite often high voltages in modern arrangements. A short circuit to earth of all 240 v power circuits is probably a good idea to prevent any circulating currents from causing damage. Mov's and such like protective devices probably will explode under the immense energy levels, but in some cases may provide protection to lower powered equipment. Basically, civilization as we know it is over, all the rules change, get out the weapons and be ready to repel boarders if you are still in a town or city. Long runs of cable especially above ground, will be like an aerial to the pulse, and could be raised to 1,000's of volts even in short runs, so stay away from any power lines.
Civilization will survive, its the transition that's going to catch most people out.
Unfortunately, science tells us its not a matter of if, but when.
We can survive most cataclysms because they are relatively local, but when it would affect the whole world at the same time, where is the help going to come from ? You are on your own and will need to rely on the systems you put in place before hand, alliances made before it happened. Outside help isn't coming, ever.
Its gonna be spectacular no matter what happens, and the World will be a completely different place one second after. If something doesn't work, apply rule .303!
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Post by Stealth on Jan 6, 2024 15:00:17 GMT 10
I think you expect a Carrington event to end society forever full stop. Sure, things would go dramatically medieval every quickly and for the average every day person they'd stay that way for a long as heck time. But just because everything's fried, doesn't mean we suddenly loose the knowledge required to rebuild.
I'm not saying things will not go catastrophically bad. They absolutely would. And it likely would take many years for things to even get close to getting back to normal. It would be, as you say, spectacular. But don't neglect the amount of people with knowledge in their heads rather than text books. You'd have everyone with that knowledge pooling together to get things working again as swiftly as possible. Swift in this case would be years. And years.
People know how to make brand new electronics. And an EMP doesn't stop you from being able to start again with items that you'd had to build up from nothing. It takes real heckin' long time for sure. But a Carrington event wipes electronics. Not memories. If you're looking to a Carrington event to send us to the dark ages then absolutely we'd get there. But the dark ages ended because of scientific advancement. Learning and seeking knowledge. Not because electronics suddenly willed themselves into existence.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 6, 2024 16:10:13 GMT 10
No, society wont suddenly end, but things will be different. Food production will become more localized, as will our social networks without an internet, motor vehicles and so on.
And yes, ultimately thing will slowly return to some form of 'normality', but it will be nothing like what we have now, so make the most of it now.
In the mean time, be prepared to defend your group as desperate people will be marauding the streets and towns seeking food an water.
I suspect nations that are not as reliant on technology, like the DPRK, will suffer less than the west.
I still believe it will be the worst day in recorded human history.
When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind. CS Lewis
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Post by bug on Jan 7, 2024 21:00:53 GMT 10
A 'carrington event' today would cause global famine within a couple of months.
- No operational harvesters. Back to bullock and plough. - All aquaculture ceases with nothing to power the filters or aerators. - No global shipping. - No fossil fuel movement. Every truck disabled. - All electricity grids down. I'd say 20 years to rebuild. The vast majority of transformers and electrical plant is made in china. Where do you think Australia will lie in their list of priorities?
What I would do. - Make sure your household earths are working. Give your earth stake a solid kick and see if it moves. - Run an earth to your roof if it's metal. - Put all sensitive devices in an unplugged microwave, then a fridge for the rest. - Get your car inside. Use it as a faraday cage if you need to. Disconnect the battery. - Dismantle all outdoor gear, eg: solar arrays if you have time and get them indoors. - Open all your MCBs in your house. Pull the wires out if you can. - Unplug any remaining devices. - Go buy every long life food item you can. Unlike other things, the public just has no clue about how bad this can be. - Store tapwater. Fill the bathtub etc.
Note that you could do everything on that list and still have most of your electrical equipment fried. An intact mobile phone won't be of much use when there's no cell network anyway...
- Get ready for hell.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 8, 2024 7:08:30 GMT 10
All good points mate.
All metal roofs/walls should be earthed anyway, and I have lightning arresters on most buildings as well, the fuel store shed has a couple of them, connected to a long earth stake with 50 sq mm welding cable. Im taking no chances as my lifelong study of lightning has shown me just how dangerous and unpredictable it is.
Hopefully, with the number of eyes watching the sun, both professional and amateur, we will have several hours warning of such a event and then its time to carry out the moves above, and more. Bugging out, or getting home from work, etc.
Its induced voltages that will cause the damage, so disconnecting anything from any wiring will go a long way to helping alleviate the effects.
I will be making up a shorting plug to plug into the a power point, after switching the inverters off, and it will short all the wiring to ground when turned on. That should make all parts of the house wiring at the same potential and therefore not allow any floating voltages to appear. Also, I am thinking about doing the same with the solar arrays, more difficult, but once u short the solar array, the current goes to max, say 300 amps, but at almost no voltage, so the power output is dissipated in the panels themselves, not good for long term but OK for a short while. The ideal would be to disconnect each panel and individually short them out on the roof. Ditto for the regulators, and motor vehicles, disconnect the battery and short the battery terminals out. Don't know how modern cars would respond to that, but anythings worth a try in such a situation.
I also have a small (from the tip, or $5 from the cheap shop), transistor radio that will be tuned to the local ABC news radio station and if it goes off air, then its a hit, and its bad.
Needless to say, all the ham gear is set up like that when not in use anyway, aerials disconnected and earthed, etc.
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Post by bug on Jan 8, 2024 9:43:22 GMT 10
We'd get a few day's notice for a Coronal Mass Ejection. There are plenty of Aurora watcher groups that monitor this stuff (albeit for very different reasons). It's during the daytime that the worst of it would hit us though, due to the location of the magnetic poles.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 8, 2024 12:15:00 GMT 10
I think 20 years is a pretty fair estimation of how long it would take to 'get back to normal'. If everything moved at pace and people coordinate. I think people as a whole would be motivated to do so but I certainly wouldn't expect things to be quick. And even then back to normal is going to be at a lower level.
Definitely agree with storing long term food as much as possible but in reality if we only had a short few hours to do absolutely everything you'd better have something stored up in advance. But I would ABSOLUTELY be in my car to hit up the local supermarket and get every dry good I could get my hands on right beforehand! I'd also be sending my other half to go and drain as much money out of our bank accounts as possible. Cash won't be worth much after the initial month or two when money can no longer buy food no matter HOW much you have in your hand because there's a shortage. So I'd be getting all the cash out that I could to use in the first month or so of chaos before people realise that you can't eat plastic.
When it comes to MCBs, can someone explain like I'm five how opening them and removing wires helps? And if you had to lock down your essentials from the grid and only had a short warning what would you do as a priority? For example, I wouldn't bother with my car. It's brand new and has way too many electrics to survive a legit EMP without a lot of effort. It seems that securing your house grid from the network would be more important in the short term? Or am I thinking about this all wrong?
Another thing I've seen is people using mylar for EMP protection. Does that seem like a viable option for small devices as well as microwaves. Thoughts?
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 8, 2024 12:51:34 GMT 10
By opening the circuit breakers and removing or shorting the wires, remove any possibility of a voltage being induced into the wiring and causing damage.
In my case, I'm constructing a dozen or so shorting plugs. Simple, pull the main switches/circuit breakers, and plug in the shorting plug to each power circuit, and turn the GPO on. That will short any induced voltage to ground and u should be safe. The same may well work for a lightning storm, of which there will be many afterwards, due to the disturbed atmosphere. That's an after effect no ones discussing. The light circuits are on their own, note, if u leave all the demand or house side circuit breakers on, and the main isolating switch off, the shorting plugs in the power circuits should give protection for the lighting circuits.
I know some of my farm generators may be fried, but the main one is a diesel with no electronics, and my tractor is also a diesel with no electrics and parked on the hill for a gravity start.
Some Mylar certainly is conductive, but you would have to test it with a megger meter first.
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Post by bug on Jan 8, 2024 13:24:31 GMT 10
Many areas have completely unprotected aerial wires. These will bring overvoltages into your home. Wires in your home are less susceptible as they are beneath a metal roof/structure, offering some protection. Opening CBs and pulling the wires removes that connection.
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