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Post by captain on Jan 13, 2024 7:03:12 GMT 10
Hi all,
I’ve just came back to Australia after spending a few months in various parts of Asia - and one thing that really sticks out is how fat the average Aussie is - compared to their Asian counterpart. I acknowledge that asians in general are smaller compared to the average westerners - but this is different. I am talking about belly fat and flabby arms etc. aussies are fat and have oversized dropping bellies. Both Men and women.
this is not good. Our American cousins, our Canuck friends are also fat too. Fried foods, fatty foods and our diets of sugary and processed foods are not good for us - and yet we live by it.
I am married to an Asian So my diet is different from the average Aussie. We don’t eat out, no rich or processed foods and we live simply. But I am in a minority.
this love affair with bad foods is going to bite many people in their later years - and society as a whole. The fat bellies diminishes health and this may result in many people suffering when they shouldn’t be.
it really does not look good - especially when you land in Sydney, walk through customs and the first thing you see as you leave the airports doors is a toxic McDonald’s. I really do wonder how people will or can survive if they have to fend for themselves in terms of food. I just don’t think many can.
BTW don’t get me started on tats. But the current trend of having tats all over the skin seems purely a western thing. In Asia, the use of tats usually signifies ties to an organised crime gang. But here, well, it is just ugly and I’m sure many people will regret being a trendy tat person.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 13, 2024 7:31:38 GMT 10
"BTW don’t get me started on tats. But the current trend of having tats all over the skin seems purely a western thing. In Asia, the use of tats usually signifies ties to an organised crime gang. But here, well, it is just ugly and I’m sure many people will regret being a trendy tat person."
And the bulky people will be the first to die due to issues when they are confronted with the need to work to survive, and by work I mean hard physical work, digging, ploughing etc.
And what about those woke women who are sporting facial hair ? True, u used to see the occasional lady with some, but that would have been hormonal changes of life, now they are all over the place, and its undoutably through testosterone injections. Don't they realize they look so bad ? A bearded bloke looks OK.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 8:06:46 GMT 10
You are spot on.
The abundance of obesity is a sign of a lack of personal responsibility and overall laziness, something manifesting itself all over society. There are literally now movements demanding free seats on airplanes if they are obese. Incredibly, some airlines are actually giving it to them. 'Fat shaming' is now somehow a bad thing. "Get off you arse you fat fark and come to the gym with me" would be a far better way to handle this.
As for tattoos, why on earth do young women think that tattoos are attractive. Perhaps it's because it's something that the young men who want to sleep with them (then immediately move on) like to comment on in order to start a conversation to get inter her pants. Tattoos have historically indicated that someone is dodgy. That hasn't changed. Just now many who get them don't realise it. Have a look at who the wealthiest men/sports stars etc marry. With just a few exceptions, it isn't the tattooed and pierced mob.
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Post by spatial on Jan 13, 2024 8:48:26 GMT 10
You are spot on. The abundance of obesity is a sign of a lack of personal responsibility and overall laziness, something manifesting itself all over society. There are literally now movements demanding free seats on airplanes if they are obese. Incredibly, some airlines are actually giving it to them. 'Fat shaming' is now somehow a bad thing. "Get off you arse you fat fark and come to the gym with me" would be a far better way to handle this. As for tattoos, why on earth do young women think that tattoos are attractive. Perhaps it's because it's something that the young men who want to sleep with them (then immediately move on) like to comment on in order to start a conversation to get inter her pants. Tattoos have historically indicated that someone is dodgy. That hasn't changed. Just now many who get them don't realise it. Have a look at who the wealthiest men/sports stars etc marry. With just a few exceptions, it isn't the tattooed and pierced mob. These days just about everybody has ink, if you don't you are the exception. Society is crumbling so fast. Yip have turned full circle now back to hard times.. As I have previously posted: Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men, weak men create difficult times.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 8:58:56 GMT 10
That's a great indicator then. When the majority of potential partner show highly visible red flags, it makes it much easier to know who to choose.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 13, 2024 13:49:13 GMT 10
Obesity is a massive problem in society. It costs everyone tax dollars and impacts on the space of others. It's not always a choice but the majority of the time in my opinion, it is. I always leave room for people who struggle like those with Hashimotos disease, or a physical injury that makes exercise extremely difficult or nigh on impossible. How does the saying go? "There but for the grace of god go I"? I'm not Christian but I think that's a wise thing to keep in mind. I work out and eat healthy for the most part so that I'm able to do the things that I do to remain in good condition for as long as I possibly can, because I want to be healthy and happy. Someone else's obesity frustrates me on a personal level only when they try to make it a me problem. You want two seats on a plane? Pay for two. You're angry that you were asked to sit in a specific area at the medical centre because the seats aren't strong enough to hold you? Can't help you, but the floor is pretty strong.
I'm annoyed with paying extra taxes for their healthcare only as much as I'm annoyed about paying extra for cigarette smokers, or alcoholics. They have issues that they need to deal with and that sucks but I don't particularly enjoy that I have to pay more money because of their issues. I'm not going to cry about it though.
But you know what you can do if my tattoos upset you?
Look away.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 13, 2024 13:58:32 GMT 10
I’d rather my taxes went to care for fat unhealthy Aussies than violent savages in the Third World. Like almost $600 million last financial year to PNG, where they burn down their infrastructure for fun.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 13, 2024 14:40:23 GMT 10
I was curious so a did a Michael Googl-ay... The cost of overweight and obesity in Australia"Conclusion: The total annual direct cost of overweight and obesity in Australia in 2005 was $21 billion, substantially higher than previous estimates. There is financial incentive at both individual and societal levels for overweight and obese people to lose weight and/or reduce WC." I guess $600m is a drop in the ocean in comparison but it's still money that we shouldn't have to spend. For both situations that's a LOT of cash to splash on what ultimately is a lifestyle disease. Like I said, there are some situations in which overweight and obesity are very difficult to deal with and I can sympathise for those people. It's a very small proportion of the population that fit into that category though. Even with physical disability there's a lot that you can do because the reality is that weight loss starts in the kitchen. Not the gym. The gym helps, but it's bloody hard to out-run a bad diet. I also found this report which gives some horrifying stats; Adults
Based on the latest available data, of adults aged 18 and over (ABS 2018e): Two in 3 (67%) are living with overweight or obesity. This is approximately 12.5 million adults. 36% are living with overweight but not obesity. 31% are living with obesity. 12% are living with severe obesity, which is defined in this report as having a BMI of 35 or more. For all measures of overweight and obesity, men had higher rates than women did: 75% of men and 60% of women are living with overweight or obesity. 42% of men and 30% of women are living with overweight but not obesity. 33% of men and 30% of women are living with obesity. That's some pretty scary stats. I guess it does tell us how many are likely to survive in a mass crisis though. Overweight and obese people will survive a lack of food longer, but if they have to run to get it? Maybe not so much!
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 13, 2024 15:21:40 GMT 10
"Overweight and obese people will survive a lack of food longer, but if they have to run to get it? Maybe not so much!"
Ive thought about that and they might find involuntary starvation terminal, due to the body's reaction to no food and burning up the reserves, causing all sorts of imbalances, especially as its gonna happen over a short time period.
When is a mouse a rat ? When it eats memory.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 16:20:42 GMT 10
"Overweight and obese people will survive a lack of food longer, but if they have to run to get it? Maybe not so much!" Ive thought about that and they might find involuntary starvation terminal, due to the body's reaction to no food and burning up the reserves, causing all sorts of imbalances, especially as its gonna happen over a short time period. When is a mouse a rat ? When it eats memory. This has been studied where the obese only had access to water, not food. The result was that a tiny few did come out the other end ok, and a lot skinnier. Most died of organ failure long before their body ran out of fat reserves. The inability to run or to fight would be debilitating and they'd quickly become a victim. Obese people can't farm either unless it involves machinery (which will no longer be functional), so other than sitting on top of a pile of canned food and hoping it all blows over before anyone finds them, I'm not sure what their survival strategy would be.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 16:22:08 GMT 10
Just thinking of a 300lb person who get's scurvy due to not having any fresh food, nor the ability to grow any. Yikes.
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Post by Joey on Jan 13, 2024 17:01:32 GMT 10
My dietician told me this week that I've dropped from the obese bracket down to just the overweight bracket. I eat healthy now and do a decent amount of exercise each week, mostly daily and have dropped 54kg in the last 6mths, so doing my part
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Post by bce1 on Jan 13, 2024 18:26:27 GMT 10
That's impressive, Joey. Im sitting bang on 100. Down from 125-130 over 10 years. I want to be 85-90, but it is a trade-off for me. To lose weight I need to eat about 4500-5000KJ/day - and Im miserable. The best weight I got to recently was 92, but despite lifestyle changes, it was still an absolute fixation to get there. I keep trying to find the right way for me. The fundamental is easy, less energy in, than kj burnt. I don't drink or smoke, and I am reasonably fit. There is no magic solution.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 18:27:02 GMT 10
That is a big achievement. You should be very proud of yourself for that.
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Post by Joey on Jan 13, 2024 19:08:21 GMT 10
Thanks guys, soon I'll be heading to the gym to start working on building some muscle, as at the moment I have granny chicken arms lol
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Post by captain on Jan 13, 2024 19:43:58 GMT 10
And what about those woke women who are sporting facial hair ? I’ve got a personal theory on this. I think it might be related to the high amount of hormonal steroids that gets put into our foods now - ie caged chickens etc. people eat a constant diet of these meats and it may affect their own bodies. And this may also be related to the early onset of puberty we are now seeing in 8-10 year olds (whereas decades ago puberty usually started around the 12 year mark). this is just a personal theory though and I haven’t done any reading, research or analysis to either prove or disprove it. But if anyone wants to give me some research funding that covers me for the next year or so then I’ll gladly further explore this theory.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 13, 2024 20:11:35 GMT 10
We'll never know, because (and this isn't salty, it's pure statement of fact) women's health has only recently been seen as a separate consideration for health studies so historical evidence of how common hormonal imbalance that causes excess hair growth in women is going to be difficult to find past about oh I don't know, a few decades? I'll give you the hot tip as an owner of ovaries though, it's far more common than you think.
But if you want to take a stab at it without actually using braincells... Cause I don't know about you, but I'm feeling lazy... Consider how long 'bearded ladies' were common in freak shows. Because I'll bet you dollars to dimes they were easy to find. I've known several women in my life time that have hirsutism that you'd never know about because they shave the excess hair off every day. Obviously they shave it off because of shame.
I suppose it would be 'woke' to stop doing that. None of you have beards, right?
*snicker*
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Post by Stealth on Jan 13, 2024 20:15:58 GMT 10
Thanks guys, soon I'll be heading to the gym to start working on building some muscle, as at the moment I have granny chicken arms lol Killin' it! You've increased your lifespan immeasurably just with the weightloss alone. Going to the gym and building some muscle will just help you do it better
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Post by frostbite on Jan 13, 2024 22:10:45 GMT 10
I don’t trust those statistics about obesity. I’m about 88kg, workout 6 days a week, in pretty good shape for someone close to turning 60, and yet the medical ‘experts’ would label me obese. I guess their primitive system can’t differentiate between muscle and fat.
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Post by Joey on Jan 13, 2024 22:57:03 GMT 10
I don’t trust those statistics about obesity. I’m about 88kg, workout 6 days a week, in pretty good shape for someone close to turning 60, and yet the medical ‘experts’ would label me obese. I guess their primitive system can’t differentiate between muscle and fat. I got knocked back from the army at Joes day medical when I was 19 because my BMI was too high, even though I was built like a rugby forward and gym fit, but because my muscle mass made the scales go up I got knocked back. In hindsight, probably a good thing, because the big guys always get put as gunners and have to carry the SAW around lol For my height, the "ideal weight" would be between 66-80kg which would make me really skinny and lanky for my frame. As much as I was hoping to get down to 80kg I don't think I'll get there as I would like look sickly and stringy with all the loose skin, so my new goal was to get down to 90kg and start the weights routine 3 times a week to build up a little bit to fill out the saggy skin. I don't want to be ripped, but jut some base muscle mass would be alright for me.
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