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Post by Stealth on Jan 14, 2024 1:18:00 GMT 10
I got knocked back from the army at Joes day medical when I was 19 because my BMI was too high, even though I was built like a rugby forward and gym fit, but because my muscle mass made the scales go up I got knocked back. In hindsight, probably a good thing, because the big guys always get put as gunners and have to carry the SAW around lol For my height, the "ideal weight" would be between 66-80kg which would make me really skinny and lanky for my frame. As much as I was hoping to get down to 80kg I don't think I'll get there as I would like look sickly and stringy with all the loose skin, so my new goal was to get down to 90kg and start the weights routine 3 times a week to build up a little bit to fill out the saggy skin. I don't want to be ripped, but jut some base muscle mass would be alright for me. Saw a guy that was a semi-professional rugby player who had aced all the testing and got knocked back on his weight. Young mate was pure muscle, there wasn't a scrap of fat on the boy. The pusser that gave him the bad news looked pretty mortified when the guy said "Where am I supposed to lose fat from, I'm at 12%". Might have been young, but he had his head screwed on. I hope he never walked back into a recruitment centre but I suspect that he didn't because the look of disgust on his face said that he knew he wasn't going to be valued for what he'd achieved. I personally try to ignore the BMI scale and instead prefer to go by waist circumference and fat percentage for basic body weight/fat health risk measurements. I've had a similar experience, my perfect middle of the healthy weight range for my body is 65kg. I've been at 65kg once in my adult life and that was after back to back bouts of gastro that knocked me around for nearly 6 weeks. It was interesting because I looked VERY slim. I'd never seen myself looking that slim before and it was too slim, in my opinion. The one thing that struck me was that I didn't have an ounce of fat on me. If I'd fallen sick again I would have really struggled to recover because my body had no stores to draw from. Hubby joked that if I got sick again at least the coffin would be cheap because they could fit me into a plastic storage tub from Kmart. To add insult to injury he didn't even have to run away because I didn't have the strength to throw a punch. I'm not advocating carrying massive amounts of excess fat. But I do think some stores are healthy and not a bad thing to have. And I think the BMI scale is way too generalised to be useful in any meaningful way because according to that scale I was perfectly in the middle of healthy and a good weight to be for my height. I definitely was not, it would have been very bad for me to get sick again at that weight. That being said, if you look down and can't see your toes because your gut blocks your view that should give you all the information you need but a little bit of fat in my opinion is a healthy store to maintain your body through bad times. Plus, it's always fun to watch someone have their mouth fall open when you spidermonkey your way up a 15ft gym rope because they don't think that you look like there's that much muscle under there 😂. |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 14, 2024 7:12:35 GMT 10
"This has been studied where the obese only had access to water, not food. The result was that a tiny few did come out the other end ok, and a lot skinnier. Most died of organ failure long before their body ran out of fat reserves.
The inability to run or to fight would be debilitating and they'd quickly become a victim. Obese people can't farm either unless it involves machinery (which will no longer be functional), so other than sitting on top of a pile of canned food and hoping it all blows over before anyone finds them, I'm not sure what their survival strategy would be."
I saw a similar study many years ago re overweight and how to go about losing some LBS without dying.
So true in relation to farming. In a post WW3 world, machinery may not be usable due to EMP's or lack of fuel, so manual planting and harvesting will be the only choice, and overweight people are gonna have issues in working hard all day to feed oneself and family, and stay alive
Ive always been around the 90-100kg weight, but being over 6 foot tall, it doesn't show. Also classed as obese on the scale, but never smoked, don't drink, not jabbed, and work on farms, pretty healthy overall.
Interestingly, I was accepted in the Military at that weight/height, but that was 50 + years ago when standards were probably not as strict.
That said, I could afford to lose a few kg, but with the world events coming up, that will probably happen anyway.
Its so neat to see an Omega say:Welcome to Macintosh
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Post by bug on Jan 14, 2024 9:41:56 GMT 10
From what I hear, entry standards aren't too high these days. But you might need to identify as a different gender (ADF has M, F and X on its forms now) or get a very good suntan and you'll be fine.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 14, 2024 10:47:45 GMT 10
No need for a sun tan as I am already a darky !
All reality is aspect dependent
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Post by Stealth on Jan 14, 2024 16:27:34 GMT 10
From what I hear, entry standards aren't too high these days. But you might need to identify as a different gender (ADF has M, F and X on its forms now) or get a very good suntan and you'll be fine. You're not wrong, and with discussions with a few folks that I know that are still in it's only getting worse. I reckon super muscled up folks would get a waiver in a heartbeat these days. |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 15, 2024 12:29:27 GMT 10
Came across this in a post on Quora.
"Skills that create wealth today — successfully trading on stock market and designing cutting-edge computer software — will be worthless. The people most in demand will be gunsmiths and subsistence farmers, chemists who can convert the sap from poppies into morphine and blacksmiths who can turn swords into plowshares (and vice versa). Know how to dam a stream and build a water-powered turbine that can generate electricity? You’re golden! Know how to brew beer and ferment grain to make drinkable alcohol? Move right in here with us! Are you a successful open-heart surgeon? You’re better off knowing how to repair a severed artery by candlelight.
It’s been claimed that the rich are not like you and I. If and when “doomsday” arrives, that will be true: The rich will be starving or dead, while those who know how to survive off the land will be eating venison around a warm campfire."
I only counted 100 Dalmatians.....
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Post by bug on Jan 15, 2024 15:38:56 GMT 10
The 'rich' houses were the first to be plundered during the Balkans conflict in the 90s.
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Post by shinester on Feb 6, 2024 12:02:32 GMT 10
Just to have a bit of fun with this as I tend to favor playing devils advocate:
I don't think it's quite all the fat
- 10kg bodyfat = 43 days of food in Kj. So being fat in a situation is natures way for hard times and Preppers dream.
- Stress, unhappiness and low socializing [which reduces stress] is far more likely to reduce your lifespan than obesity. Best sources of happiness, being in nature, with friends, exercise. So walk with your mates in the forest, go fishing with your mates by the river, etc to live longer.
- Low Vit D levels are chronically bad and are very important for immunity and cancer reduction as they are fuel for T cells. As you age, you convert less sunlight into Vit D. This is probably a factor in deaths and most importantly if your D levels are higher, much less likely to catch the various colds that are around... Vit D takes 21 days to get into your system [so daily dose 1000-2000Iu or use the rapid Vit D, which takes hours] and is helps regulate inflammation [associated with cancers] and also immune response to diseases etc. Some viruses are associated with cancers.
source - Expert in the field who spent a lifetime studying it.
- Food soothes stressed people, we reach for food when stressed. Is the cause the fatness or the stress? [its probably both].
To agree
Yes I do otherwise agree. Increased inflammation and decreased overall health, though I think the factors are multiple and having a little fat on you is natures prep for survival. The reason the islanders are often good at storing fat is that for long sea voyages in canoes, those who survived were those who stored fat the best for the long trips.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 6, 2024 15:09:03 GMT 10
The amount of health one has is inversely proportional to the amount of wealth one has.....
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Post by spinifex on Feb 6, 2024 19:44:49 GMT 10
Just to have a bit of fun with this as I tend to favor playing devils advocate: I don't think it's quite all the fat - 10kg bodyfat = 43 days of food in Kj. So being fat in a situation is natures way for hard times and Preppers dream. - Stress, unhappiness and low socializing [which reduces stress] is far more likely to reduce your lifespan than obesity. Best sources of happiness, being in nature, with friends, exercise. So walk with your mates in the forest, go fishing with your mates by the river, etc to live longer. - Low Vit D levels are chronically bad and are very important for immunity and cancer reduction as they are fuel for T cells. As you age, you convert less sunlight into Vit D. This is probably a factor in deaths and most importantly if your D levels are higher, much less likely to catch the various colds that are around... Vit D takes 21 days to get into your system [so daily dose 1000-2000Iu or use the rapid Vit D, which takes hours] and is helps regulate inflammation [associated with cancers] and also immune response to diseases etc. Some viruses are associated with cancers. source - Expert in the field who spent a lifetime studying it. - Food soothes stressed people, we reach for food when stressed. Is the cause the fatness or the stress? [its probably both]. To agree Yes I do otherwise agree. Increased inflammation and decreased overall health, though I think the factors are multiple and having a little fat on you is natures prep for survival. The reason the islanders are often good at storing fat is that for long sea voyages in canoes, those who survived were those who stored fat the best for the long trips.
What would average fat Content for an adult be? Is 10kg of bodyfat ok?
I'm 6'2'' and 93kg and feeling ok, but felt crappy when I briefly went up to 100kg. I lost 7kg just to feel better. But I carry fat only in my core, limbs are always just muscle.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 6, 2024 19:47:05 GMT 10
The amount of health one has is inversely proportional to the amount of wealth one has..... Um ... no.
The vast majority of obese and unhealthy people are low socio-economic. Due to the food they eat and amount of TV they watch.
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