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Post by bug on Feb 19, 2024 8:58:25 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 19, 2024 9:07:23 GMT 10
Pretty cool dude, only 1,000 km south of us though !
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Post by shinester on Feb 19, 2024 15:07:18 GMT 10
Love it, very mad max. Things of note. His estimate on range varies between articles this one he says 100km=1/3 and another says 100km=half. He's Eastern European, so I'll have to make a guess on the battery bank based on range though I'd guess about 40kwh, so 1kwh=5km 1kw of solar panels improperly aligned if I'm generous are going to make 2-6kwh/day depending on cloud cover, time of year. So if he ran out in the middle of the day in winter he'd get about 5km more at sunset and in summer, 15km. There's a definite advantage to having cells on the roof I did think this kind of thing would be the way to go for an offgrid/prepper vehicle. We can also say that you'll get about 10km-30km/day from the sun [if I'm being generous] The risk of fire is very real especially from over heating or damage. Runaway fires can reignite for hours, days or weeks later. Prof. Paul Christensen says the trade in second hand vehicle battery market needs to be killed now. The reason, the lack of engineered cooling system to go with it and the great risk of fire. "Essentially electric vehicles [fires] can't be put out"
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 19, 2024 15:11:43 GMT 10
A BMS is vital for charge management in Lithium cells, without it its just a fire ready to happen. Overcharge/undercharge and temperature are the issues and a decent BMS can address them all. Note that its the cheap Chinese scooters that flurese, but Tesla's do as well, so the technology isn't quite refined yet. Keep an eye on the nuclear battery concept. Only micro-amps at present, but wait till its scaled up.... Its a very unstable technology, as Lithium is such a reactive metal.
On the other hand, you have five different fingers. What more do you want ?
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Post by bug on Feb 19, 2024 15:30:11 GMT 10
The rate of vehicle fires is far lower for EVs than for ICE vehicles (though certain media outlets may want to convince you otherwise), but for a DIY job you'd reeeeeallly need to know what you are doing here. Given that this guy has chosen a very low powered engine, he's probably fine though.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 19, 2024 16:09:57 GMT 10
Trivia.. A number of years ago I read an article where someone converted an old tractor to electric.. As I recall it was an older small Allis Chalmers that had a large canopy with solar panels and a small engine with an alternator in a kind of hybrid style set up.. I don't recall details of run time, charging time and all..
Some name brand tractor company for a short time at least had an all electric compact size chore tractor... I think just to prove they could make it... As I recall it was rated at about 6 hours use, depending on the type of use, and then required 10 or so hour to recharge.. For instance.. I'm sure the run time would be different pulling a manure spreader than plowing or running a tiller..
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Post by bug on Feb 19, 2024 19:02:41 GMT 10
6 hours is a very long time for a tractor to run on a battery. Unless they mean just driving on a flat surface at 20kph with out dragging anything.
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Post by shinester on Feb 19, 2024 21:15:34 GMT 10
A BMS is vital for charge management in Lithium cells, without it its just a fire ready to happen. Overcharge/undercharge and temperature are the issues and a decent BMS can address them all. Note that its the cheap Chinese scooters that flurese, but Tesla's do as well, so the technology isn't quite refined yet. Keep an eye on the nuclear battery concept. Only micro-amps at present, but wait till its scaled up.... Its a very unstable technology, as Lithium is such a reactive metal. On the other hand, you have five different fingers. What more do you want ? Yeah for sure, you're right onto it, battery management is essential and the reaction is just short of detonation. Yay. Many technologies and alternatives are working in the lab currently, we will see many changes as the technologies mature. Nuclear batteries are in Voyager I and II [1977 and still going] and the USSR put them in remote lighthouses so that the population could find them and turn them into scrap, irradiating themselves in the process. [not a joke, it happened]. Not really new technology as it can be as simple as a radioactive beta source and solar cells surrounding it. The obvious problem here is that people will absolutely open them up and contaminate and irradiate themselves accidentally or use them in not so good ways. I personally would prefer we kept radioactivity materials in very small quantities [like what's in smoke detectors] and away from the public at large. --- I'd mostly agree, fires pretty low in EV's [as they're properly engineered] and agreed you ought to know what you're doing. The engine size isn't really a consequence so much so long as the supply wires can handle the current [30hp=22kw] though the batteries might be as he a bunch of mismatched batteries from all the various sources he has collected over the years. Probably knows what he's doing. EV Tractor Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that some kind of farming is the solution to long term food problems. So grass fed stock and enough land, dense and rich crops high in kJs or EV small tractor and a means to harvest. [their are small harvesters for crops]. They look pretty easy to convert and you get lots of torque with Electric motors and often you need to add weights to the front of tractors, so no issues with the battery weight. You could even just rip out an electric forklift drivetrain even with lead acid and put it in a tractor. When not in use, the batteries become house storage. All a bit pipe dream for me, though I see how it would be the way to go if you want to go fully off-grid, self sufficent.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 20, 2024 7:07:16 GMT 10
These 'beta' battery's use radioactive decay of nickle to excite electrons in a semiconductor matrix and produce electric, not much, (micro amps at 3 v), but incredibly energy dense being that they can work for over 50 years. There probably isn't any more danger in them than a ionization type smoke detector, which uses radioactive Americium 241 as its source. The other 'small' type of nuclear power source, uses the heat of the radioactive decay to warm one end of a thermocouple, which could be made of a semiconductor material, with the other end of the couple in a cooler area, creating voltage that way. This is how the Spacecraft thermoelectric generators work. I wonder if the beta battery's will in fact survive the predicted 50 + years as the gamma radiation must damage the crystal structure of the semiconductor during use. Anyway, its an interesting development. I haven't heard of many people pulling apart a smoke detector, so the beta battery may also be relatively 'safe'. I have enough 'stuff' to convert a ride on mower to electric, if I had to. And all sorts of accessories are available to fit them now.
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Post by shinester on Feb 21, 2024 0:48:56 GMT 10
Yeah it's interesting. I guess my fear comes from the quantity of radioactive material, a smoke detector uses sweet f'all, 1g makes 5000 detectors. So whilst not great to have that lying around out of it's container, it's not going to pose a major hazard to people. Voyager making about 270watts when new and was close to 40kg of radioactive material . So it's not high energy or anything, not enough for a house, though it's long term. The problem being if you err.. 'rapidly spread' that kind of quantity of material around in an area, people can't live there for an extended period due to the ongoing radioalogical effects. I'm less familiar with the therocouple type devices and their output, so I relied upon wiki for some info. I'm imagining that it's using a TEG [5% efficent or so] since it's reliant on cooling at the other end and more than likely a large source of radioactive material which makes it very unlikely to ever be in the public arena. [again, I am glad for this] The largest output seems to be 3000w which would give you 72kwh, about enough for two homes if you used a battery bank and it's 1 ton of highly enriched U235. So at least for that one, zero chance of that being available for Joe public [again thankfully]. Unless I've missed something there, I can see it being introduced into pace makers as only a tiny amount of energy and material is needed and it's inside you and 40-50 years of use is very long in that role, unlikely to be tampered with, though for home/car supply I can't see it happening due to the amount of radioactive material needed, the issues with safety and the gigantic cost of the materials. Solar and batteries look a lot cheaper and safer Ride on mower: Yeah, I've been thinking about doing something like that and getting one that can use implements for growing crops etc. Small scale drilling [seeding] and cultivating/weeding is doable with fairly low HP which would be sufficient for many aspects of the growing side. The harvesting is still the bugbear for me and even the smallest grain harvesters are about 10k. I've seen enough historical farming shows to know how difficult that is to do by hand. Grow corn and pick it by hand, maybe. Grow potatoes and use a fairly inexpensive harvester, possibly. You can get away with about 20hp for that. [small tractor] You really need to grow them from tubers, and have enough of them to be able to grow enough food unfortunately. I might store food, though long term without a means to grow and harvest some kind of staple food, you're doomed. Veggies and fruit don't cut it for Kjs. It's really tough growing enough food just for yourself and you need the supplies, the equipment, the knowledge and enough viable [fresh] seed. Almost all the 'self sufficient' people I've seen seem to bring in grains/beans. I think acreage, good grass and livestock is the least labor intensive and frostbite's onto that. [not sure of the numbers of the stock needed and acreage] I've considered chickens in that role though there's little data on that. I've done many spreadsheets trying to resolve the long term KJ issue without major success in many areas. Simply farmers are doing it very efficiently already, they need fuel, without which, we're all screwed. Lastly, I've been toying/researching the idea of algae as a food crop and it looks the most promising. Easy enough to set up 18sqm/person ponds that are 20cm deep, only needs a small paddle wheel to keep it circulating. [low powered solar] Fairly simple to keep a small amount of seed algae around [just needs sunlight to stay alive]. High protein, fats and many necessary vitamins. Fertilizer required. Hopefully I'll try it out in the next 6 months or so.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 21, 2024 7:22:26 GMT 10
The Ruski TEG's were fin cooled and in that environment with snow etc, would have been quite efficient. I watched a doco on u tube about them still lying around in the arctic circle, rusting away and causing some environmental issues, forget global warming, these things are bad for the environment if neglected, as they have been for many years. Stay tuned, when I crack fusion, then the days of limitless power with no nuke waste will be here. I also think things like pacemakers and computer memory backup will be the first applications of the technology. I have a few discarded eutectic refrigerators, the ones that use a thermopile of some kind to generate either heat or cool, and will be experimenting with attaching the actual unit to a vessel that can be placed over a fire, creating a hot side, with the original fan and cool side in free air. The process is reversible, a temperature difference can create electricity, probably not very efficiently, but when I get some time I will be finding out as I have a couple of old ones picked from the tip. As for energy density, assuming 100 micro-amps at 3 volts output, then over a 50 year period this is 0.01 X 60 X 60 X 24 X 365 X 50 = 15,768,000 amp hours of energy, or considering voltage, 47,304,000 watt hours or about 47 mega watt hours. See where E = M X C sq comes into it ? (Yes Ive ignored leap years !!). Prepping the ground, fertilizing, planting and watering are all fairly easy tasks, but you are right, harvesting is the biggie. Most people think all they need to do is throw a few seeds on the ground, rake then in, dump a bucket of water on them and come back in a weeks time to harvest a crop. They have no idea of the time involved, or whats required to grow something, even as a hobby, its not easy, much less when your life depends on it. Then there is the long term issue with gardens, the need to add some organic matter to the beds to keep up production, without access to dynamic lifter. W eve found that the duck water is great for the garden, and have it in a couple of kids paddling pools so we can use it easily. "though long term without a means to grow and harvest some kind of staple food, you're doomed." Exactly, and that's why these billionaires and their $300 million bunkers are all as good as dead. Like Ive posted before, whilst chooks and other domesticated farm animals may survive on just grass etc, you wont get many eggs etc without supplying high protein food, which will be unavailable. The need for fuel doesn't really worry me, Ive been researching alternative liquid fuels and alcohol has some advantages. It also appears that 1 ton of sugar cane, which grows like a weed up here, can produce around 60 liters alcohol, not for drinking, but for running an engine. It also seems like the bacteria in you gut and mouth can be quite a good fermentation starter, so commercial yeasts, that may not be available, are not needed. Older diesel engines run on almost any oil, and Ive tried old, filtered cooking oil in the tractor and there was almost no difference in performance, apart from being slightly harder to start cold and the wisp of cooked chips in the exhaust ! I usually gravity start it anyway to save the battery as it has no glow plugs. A wood gasifier is also another must have item after TSHTF, and can run most spark ignition 4 stroke engines. Peter Pedals may have had the idea as well. www.echo.net.au/2023/10/tribute-to-peter-pedals-founder-of-rainbow-power-company/Sorry, not a vegetarian, so algae just isn't gonna do it for me, steak dinner please ! And as for those, especially in America, who think they can go bush and harvest their food like bear, with 300 million people all doing the same thing, its not gonna last long. My greatest worry is not weather we can grow enough to survive, I know we can, no, its the invasion of the hungry hordes that were not prepared from the cities that's the big issue. Only dead fish swim with the stream.
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Post by shinester on Feb 21, 2024 11:42:44 GMT 10
I made sour dough bread for quite a while and just made it with the natural yeasts in milled flour as another source. Pretty easy to get it going. I had yeast in my freezer for at least 5 years, worked fine.
Typically you'd get about 500g of ethanol per kg of refined sugar, though I'm guessing you're going with the raw plant with those numbers. The equipment to distillation to higher concentrations isn't trivial [40-60% is fairly easy]. The sugar would be an invaluable crop.
You're right on the fuel side of things, a chainsaw needs fuel, cutting a tree up by hand is very uncivilized.
I would agree about the hordes. There are many hunters with thermals, night vision and drones that can see far and wide. I have been thinking more towards how to disappear, with food stores you can for a while, though the dog might become food as she's good at barking. Solar on roofs, obvious crops, harvested fields, areas not over grown [because you're moving through foliage] would stick out like a sore thumb from a drone. Becoming really tough.
The reasoning for the algae is that it's about a dense a food crop as you can have and it's easy to grow and harvest oil. You could also go stealth with it as it just looks like pond scum. I think you'd only get a taste for it if you're starving.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 21, 2024 12:40:17 GMT 10
"There are many hunters with thermals, night vision "
Until u have used nite vis gear, u have no idea just what it can do. Its amazing, U can see the warm things, like trees, fence posts, small animals, and even cool things, like cane toads as they are dark against a light warmer background. Its definitely a force multiplier and I have never regretted the $1 K + it cost for a handheld monocular unit.
Good luck sneaking up on us, with 4 dogs, as soon as we hear them, its out with the nite vis and even though its only one of the cats, or a possum, its good practice.
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