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Post by spatial on Apr 13, 2024 17:54:40 GMT 10
Any info on the ideology of the stabbers. So far 4 dead many injured including a mother with 9 month old baby stabbed. In a Jewish area of Bondi. Looks like the M.East war spilling over into Australia.
The lame stream media are not giving any details.
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Post by norseman on Apr 14, 2024 0:32:58 GMT 10
Any info on the ideology of the stabbers. So far 4 dead many injured including a mother with 9 month old baby stabbed. In a Jewish area of Bondi. Looks like the M.East war spilling over into Australia. The lame stream media are not giving any details. Six dead including him, sounds like he was using a semi-automatic knife, those damn things should be banned completely! I wonder how many lives might have been saved if "Stop The Bleed Kits" were readily available in that shopping center? There is a reason I have these in our vehicles and multiple other locations, maybe I should start carrying on the person if I go shopping in a Westfield (not likely ever)!
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Post by Joey on Apr 14, 2024 8:00:36 GMT 10
The media won't release the details of the ethnicity of the attacker (but you can have a good guess from the photo of him) nor will they release the motive to avoid causing another race divide in the community. It'll all be "lone attacker"
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Post by bug on Apr 14, 2024 8:59:00 GMT 10
The media won't release the details of the ethnicity of the attacker (but you can have a good guess from the photo of him) nor will they release the motive to avoid causing another race divide in the community. It'll all be "lone attacker" That might, just might be because the people who profit from mass immigration are the same ones who own media companies.
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Post by spatial on Apr 14, 2024 9:17:44 GMT 10
The media won't release the details of the ethnicity of the attacker (but you can have a good guess from the photo of him) nor will they release the motive to avoid causing another race divide in the community. It'll all be "lone attacker" That might, just might be because the people who profit from mass immigration are the same ones who own media companies. It is politically motivated, if it was from a right wing extremist the media would be endless coverage of extremism and and new school programs with more indoctrination and more ".."lives matter.. Mass demonstrations in the street. Like voice to parliament people are seeing through all the drama focusing on victims of the attack but not he underlying issues...
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Post by Beno on Apr 14, 2024 12:45:39 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Apr 14, 2024 12:46:25 GMT 10
normal looking person but farked in the head.
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Post by Stealth on Apr 14, 2024 20:29:58 GMT 10
Apparently he had schizophrenia and had been living rough for quite some time. Largely out of contact with family. Identified for needing treatment but clearly in a space where he was unable to take that up. I think this is, sadly, a case of someone falling through the mental health gaps.
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Post by tactile on Apr 15, 2024 9:58:30 GMT 10
I think this is a case of someone falling through the mental health gaps. You could run the opera house through those gaps. We used to put these people in institutions, there used to be at least one of these in the towns I grew up in. They have closed them all. We try and medicate them while out in the public space now and a mass murder every year or two is cheaper than opening them up again.
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Post by Stealth on Apr 15, 2024 10:07:59 GMT 10
You're not wrong. I've mused over the years about that situation. We privatised mental health breakdowns and left every day people responsible for the health of others because people don't put mental health in the same category as physical health. You wouldn't turn someone with a broken leg out into the street without treating them but we do that to people with mental health concerns on the reg.
It's frustrating because someone who needs to be directly managed is practically never able to seek help for themselves. That's like saying to old mate broken leg "Just walk on over to the medical centre across the road. It's right over there... Why don't you just GO already? Clearly you need it and it's only a few meters away!".
I've had a few instances in the past where I've had to literally take someone by the hand and walk them into a doctor's office for immediate care. It's not as good as a trained mental health professional, but quite often assistive medication is the first step in getting someone to a mental space where they can start doing the work on healing. Not everyone that has a mental health struggle needs medication forever. But it can be a good aid to get started. But when someone is SO far into their struggle that you can't even convince them that it's safe/ok to go see a doctor for that first step? What're you supposed to do?
Drag 'em into a hospital for a forced stay. For a few days. Then they're off to the races the second they get out again. It doesn't help at all. But I also know that mental health facilities were rife with abuse and keeping that policed is almost as big of an impost as dealing with the fall out from the occasional moment where society failed the sufferer AND the population around them. Almost.
I don't have solutions. It's a sucky situation.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 15, 2024 12:16:55 GMT 10
If every law abiding citizen had the right to concealed carry handguns the situation would have gone down like this:
Nutcase pulls knife and approaches first victim, 2 seconds later is shot dead by armed citizen. Simples. A permanent solution to our mental health crisis, where the violent mentally ill are removed from society permanently at no cost to the taxpayer.
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Post by Beno on Apr 15, 2024 12:23:11 GMT 10
I think this is a case of someone falling through the mental health gaps. You could run the opera house through those gaps. We used to put these people in institutions, there used to be at least one of these in the towns I grew up in. They have closed them all. We try and medicate them while out in the public space now and a mass murder every year or two is cheaper than opening them up again.
100% correct. The 2nd generation anti psychotic medications were a vast improvement over 1st generation and like you said they are now medicated and not in institutions. The impact of not getting meds to the unwell can be spectacular, dangerous to the public and expensive.
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Post by ausprep130 on Apr 15, 2024 12:42:30 GMT 10
If every law abiding citizen had the right to concealed carry handguns the situation would have gone down like this: Nutcase pulls knife and approaches first victim, 2 seconds later is shot dead by armed citizen. Simples. A permanent solution to our mental health crisis, where the violent mentally ill are removed from society permanently at no cost to the taxpayer. If that were the case I think it would go more like this . . . Nutcase pulls knife handgun out and approaches first victim, 2 seconds later a number of victims are shot. Shortly after a shootout between nutcase and armed citizen. Maybe nutcase is shot dead, maybe armed citizen is shot dead??? Not so simple. A permanent wishy-washy solution to our mental health crisis, where some violent mentally ill are removed from society permanently at no considerable cost to the taxpayer in terms of emergency services resources, judicial and prison resources including legal aid, not to mention health resources (both general for victims and mental health for the nutcase(s) and victims, their families and witnesses).
Would be just like the USA - even with armed guards at schools, shopping centres etc and the right to conceal carry (for the suitably licensed) it doesn't seem to stop mass shootings except maybe in rare cases.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 15, 2024 13:57:16 GMT 10
Except nutcase won’t have a handgun because of his record of mental illness. Firearms Registry are very strict on this, one of my trainees was an ex cop who had a brief period where he was on medication for stress after an incident on the job, and his probationary pistol licence application was rejected for that reason.
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Post by ausprep130 on Apr 15, 2024 14:10:33 GMT 10
That's only if they are diagnosed
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Post by frostbite on Apr 15, 2024 14:11:33 GMT 10
The nut case in question had a history.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 15, 2024 14:21:12 GMT 10
You can carry....a multitool. Its classed as a tool of trade for us Sparkies, so legal to carry openly anywhere. Has at least 1 knife (mine has two), and screwdrivers etc. I would not hesitate to use it in a self defense situation, especially against another knife welding person and in a survival situation.
So basically the people who claimed that Trump would trash the economy and start WW3, have trashed the economy and started WW3.
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Post by ausprep130 on Apr 15, 2024 14:23:55 GMT 10
Unfortunately not all nutcases have history.
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Post by spatial on Apr 15, 2024 16:25:44 GMT 10
Unfortunately not all nutcases have history. What inspires them to go crazy like that. why did he choose the located that he did. A mentally disturbed person can be groomed and used to kill. Will see if something comes out of the investigation. As to weapons I was taught a chair is the best weapon against a knife.
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Post by tactile on Apr 15, 2024 17:14:07 GMT 10
Must be something in the water in Toowoomba.
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