krisb
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Post by krisb on Apr 4, 2014 12:38:56 GMT 10
OK if you don't all know yet I am fairly new to most of this although my pantry would probably be considered a preppers pantry as would a lot of my thoughts I have found out.
What I need help and suggestions with is things like bug out bags, inch bags, ect ect. I need to sort out what I need to be getting starting with the basics, firestarters etc we have several torches and I love knives but have not purchased any for the purpose other than cooking. On the medical side of things I am all good I have an order going in soon that will restock all my kits. So suggestions for a family of 9 would be lovely ..... basics to start with and hopefully I should have found my feet a bit more by then.
Thanks Kris
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myrrph
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Post by myrrph on Apr 4, 2014 13:19:08 GMT 10
wow, this is a large task and list of suggestions.
I suppose you can start by having an excel sheet with 9 columns. At the top of each column, insert the name of the member of your family.
Each column would represent 1 BOB. If you have young children, get them involved as well.
Start listing out items you should have in each column. Follow some basics, including the 4 important factors
1. Food/Water/Fire
2. Shelter
3. Communication
4. Defence
Have one golden rule whilst planning on items to buy. 2 is 1 and 1 is none. Try to have multi-use items.
e.g.
Cotton balls can be found in FAKs for cleaning wounds/applying creams OR it can also start fires OR it could help filter water. Bring more cotton balls.
Vaseline/Lip Balm is be used to waterproof small cuts, keep your lips moist, mixed with cotton balls to start fires
Betadine cotton swabs can be used to disinfect wounds or purify water or in a pinch, start fires with vaseline
You should spread out your load amongst 9 people so each of you do not carry too much. I served my nation in the army, and when through Basic Military Training. As we age or when we are younger, we cannot carry too much. Those aged between 16 to 35 should be able to carry 20kg of load. Those older or younger than the range should aim around 5 to 10 kg.
Reason for the strict load is speed of movement. Generally people can hike up to 4km/h and fast march around 7km/h. If your load is too heavy, you will move too slowly.
2 1.8m x 1.8m tarps can be made into a tent for 2 people. so remember to make sure everyone has their own tarp.
Food wise, I'd recommend protein bars or dehydrated.
All other info, like what should be in your bob etc can be gleaned from the site. If you don't want to read what is here slowly, you can define a 30-40 item list and let us critique. That way we do not repeat what we've been posting on the forum.
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krisb
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Post by krisb on Apr 4, 2014 17:22:11 GMT 10
Awesome thanks myrrph, not too sure how my excel skills are so if that fails might resort to the old pen and paper though! I tend to buy in bulk already and ebay deals I always look for multiple items cheaper than a singular item. It's a starting point so I guess I'll go have a crack at the Excel.
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Post by sentinel on Apr 4, 2014 18:41:55 GMT 10
I ask people are they familiar with camping? If they answer is yes then they need to grow it from there.
A camping set up will get you by if things go bad tomorrow. From this you can do a risk assessment of your needs and build from there.
The primary basics for getting yourself sorted out needs wise are IMO;
1 - water
2 - shelter
3 - food
4 - protection
5 - location with sustainable resources
Further - it is a never ending process, often a persons budget decides a lot of the initial needs, but you can still get the basics that wont break the bank (there was a thread started on here that was a pretty good guide) look at your own needs and requirements foremost, decide if you are going to try to bug-in or bug-out, make plenty of plans and look at possible scenarios that might affect your plans, - there are always new and often improved ways to do things - personally my preference is low-tech. I am still adding and trying out different ideas that I get from forums or myself and adapt them to my needs.
If the budget is tight - gain knowledge - there is an absolute wealth of information on line at your disposal - they cover every possible 'requirement'. In this area of preparing - options are unlimited - knowledge is waiting to be gained.
Also as questions.
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 4, 2014 20:11:21 GMT 10
I will tell you this...I am all for BOB's to satisfy
the immediate situation...but short of rations for
a few days I would focus on those things that will
get me food and clean water afterwards. Learn
how to make what you need to build a shelter in
the woods/desert and how to trap/hunt/fish/ and
store (smoking, canning, etc). I guess my
mentality is a BOB serves two purposes....get me
to where I PLANNED to go...or at minimum give
me the basic tools to survive and start over. I
don't plan to live out my life with the things I
have in my BOB, but plan to be able to acquire
what I need to live out my life using the basics in
my BOB...What I pack decides how long that can
be...days, weeks, months, years? In a Bug out
situation...I would weigh the weight of a long
term essential (such as maybe a survival manual
on medicinal plants, etc against pepper spray).
Toilet paper? lots of volume for a short term
comfort....leaves, grass, even cloth which you can
reuse is better. Tinder? ....its everywhere? Pot
scrubber....how bout just using sand?
now with the free space you have created add a
small bottle of bleach or iodine for water
purification....cloth with less than .2 microns
pores if you can find it. Now this gives you weeks
instead of days (without the need to have a fire
other than for warmth. (you can live for a few
weeks without food) just days without water and
you don't want to get sick.. maybe some kind of
netting (yeti netting) can serve as a
hammock...or a fishing net. it can also help hold
camouflage in place around a hide. Unless you
know it already...maybe add a book on survival
and uses for various vegetation. If your taking
anything with batteries....get some rechargeable
batters and a solar recharger kit...small one.
Make sure your devices use a common battery
type...AA or AAA anything bigger is wasted space.
You can even tear apart and old hand crank radio
to scavenge the recharger or take it as is so that
you can continue to recharge batteries at
night...its also something to keep yourself busy
doing. a spool of solder (yeah like as in soldering
iron...) you can melt it with a lighter or fire and
make electrical connection repairs if you need
to...and you can also recover it...(copper braid
works good for that) it can also be used to wrap
items up securely...like a wire tie.
but I'm not sure I'd worry about the electrical
stuff....that stuff can be later scavenged.
weigh it all and if its over 60 lbs (minus the
food)...start reducing things...for me about 60 lbs
is max and then you start burning more calories
than your going to be able to replace...but thats
a judgment call. Also...you listed clothing but not
quantity....Underwear ....nice but not
necessary...socks?...your feet are your
lifeline....gloves? work and warmth...think about
it.....good luck.
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 4, 2014 20:12:04 GMT 10
full credit goes to old sf guy from another forum
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 4, 2014 20:28:34 GMT 10
my personal advice (the post I made from old sf guy is the best description of a bob I have seen)
you have to build 9 separate bags
apply pen to paper
give each bag a number (1-9)
give each bag a "age rating" (as it is important with build)
now skill sets.. (medic, Hunter, mechanic etc)
sort out a "basic" everyone must carry list (pinch ideas from other bob topics)
then sort out the custom kits, that is more medical supplies for the medic, more tools for the mechanic etc
with knives and such, you have 9 kits, so spread tools out, even shelter, a 10 person tent spread out amongst 9 people is bugger all.. so u get comfort, knives, one carries the machete, the other carries those United cutlery axe things
but one overlooked thing, include some woman stockings in every kit
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