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Post by bigredtomatosauce on Oct 31, 2013 23:17:19 GMT 10
Can anyone explain to me why a bunker is a good idea? They are very expensive, it is very hard to disguise them, and if you don't disguise them well enough then enemies can smoke you out through your ventilation pipes and take your goods.
I honestly don't understand why spending a huge amount of money on a bunker is an attractive option to preppers. It feels like the anti-survival option.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 23:34:22 GMT 10
You raise some good issues regarding bunkers. I suppose bunkers can be good for specific scenarios, and it could be argued that a fortified base underground simply provides more protection than being above ground. Yes, ventilation systems can be difficult to disguise, and some bunkers do indeed protrude from the ground, but I think these bunkers in particular have been designed either very poorly, have limited funds, or have rushed the job. I have seen a lot of DDP and even a show called Doomsday Bunkers and would do things a lot differently if I was to ever have one myself.
I guess the main reason people have bunkers, in my opinion, is because its harder to locate people and supplies if properly hidden underground, than it is on the top of the ground. In a SHTF scenario, I would want to sleep well knowing that I and my family are in a safe environment, which would be extremely hard for others to locate.
Mind you - I don't have a bunker lol
Ryan
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Post by bigredtomatosauce on Oct 31, 2013 23:47:52 GMT 10
I personally think the only use for a "bunker" (I'd like to use the term root cellar) is for supplies. That way there is no need for ventilation, if worst comes to worst your preps never have to come up for air until you eliminate the threat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 23:56:08 GMT 10
I guess like everything preparedness related, it comes down to personal preference. There's more than one way to skin a cat, so to say. You'll find lots of views on YouTube and elsewhere about what you should be doing and a lot of the time you'll received mixed advice. The secret is to simply research and do what you feel comfortable in doing. If you don't feel comfortable or see the need for a bunker then that means you have a lot more money to be spent on other survival supplies  |
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Post by Ausprep on Nov 1, 2013 6:57:05 GMT 10
The most common misconceptions relating to bunkers is that are/have to be buried. Taking note of #3, a bunker to one person maybe a buried, fully contained underground hideout, but to another, may just be a safe place to ride the imposing threat out.
bunker
ˈbʌŋkə/
noun
noun: bunker; plural noun: bunkers
1.
a large container or compartment for storing fuel.
"a coal bunker"
2.
a reinforced underground shelter, typically for use in wartime.
3.
a hollow filled with sand, used as an obstacle on a golf course.
verb
verb: bunker; 3rd person present: bunkers; past tense: bunkered; past participle: bunkered; gerund or present participle: bunkering
1.
fill the fuel containers of (a ship); refuel.
2.
Golf
(of a player) have one's ball lodged in a bunker.
"he was bunkered at the fifth hole"
hit (the ball) into a bunker.
"he bunkered his second shot"
Brit.informal
cause difficulties to; hinder the progress of.
"he may find his new sporting pursuits bunkered by activities he hadn't planned on"
3.
take refuge in a bunker or other shelter.
"his family had bunkered down inside their home"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:51:13 GMT 10
And another misconception is that even just as a root cellar, there must be Air ventilation, other wise food will grow mold due to condensation build up! The main advantage for below ground living is the constant temperature from ground insulation! So reduced heating or cooling! And costs, keep your preps cool will allow for longer storage and safety! As for security from natural disasters,like fire, a Bunker/cellar/below ground home, offers many advantages to above ground and is nearly maintenance free! We have decide this is how we are going to build next year after watching the NSW fires! We will have some above ground, like the workshop and studio and a lounge/kitchen area and even they will have dirt mound protection, but we will sleep in the cool of the earth home! As for security, well that is up to the individual and the resources they have! And the amount of researcher they put in! www.hometone.com/12-of-the-coolest-underground-houses.htmlwww.shelterspace.com/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_living |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 9:45:39 GMT 10
Just dig in some pre-fab concrete culverts. You will have a cool, secure, bushfire-proof location to store produce, hand tools and seeds etc. It will also be a nice steady temperature for home brewing and curing meat.
No need to live out it, and don't even think of fighting out of it, just think of it as secure storage.
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Post by fox on Nov 7, 2013 21:28:15 GMT 10
always loved bunkers , ever since me and dad built a semi-submerged pill box with a tunnel entrance when i was about 5-6 , yeah i had the coolest cubby house in school lol , i Dont think its hard to disguise them although it does require more planning then most people are willing to go through after the mammoth task of designing the bunker itself , no fort is unassailable but bunkers have a few big defense points built in that would cost a fortune to replicate in an above ground dwelling
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Post by graynomad on May 9, 2014 11:01:19 GMT 10
I've often thought of sinking a concrete pipe or two as a bushfire shelter, but I suspect there is more to it than that as I think it's quite possible a large fire will suck all the oxygen from the area as it passes. I don't know, just thinking that there is often a lot more to an idea than first meets the eye. As for SHTF bunkering I'm of two minds. Yes it would be safe as long as you remain undetected, but if found you would be screwed and there would be no way out (unless you have a second exit). Plus you would need CCTV or some method of scanning the immediate area, no point opening the door to have a look We actually do this in our truck, if all the shutters are closed nobody can see any lights or anything to indicate that there are people inside, but I quickly realised that I also could not see out and if I heard a noise I had to open a window or door or climb up onto the roof. So I added CCTV cameras, now I can see all around outside from the comfort of my lounge chair. Re having a second exit, I reckon that's a good idea anyway as it might allow you to flank anybody that has bad intentions. |
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