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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 21, 2014 16:26:59 GMT 10
I've been given the green light to invest in either a pressure canner or a dehydrator... for those who have some experience with either, what are your thoughts on each? I'm not sure which will be most useful.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 21, 2014 21:12:29 GMT 10
I dehydrate, but only basics like fruit. I'm going to try frozen veggies too - I hear they work good. Probably look at both methods and see what is better for you.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 22, 2014 8:18:12 GMT 10
Probably look at both methods and see what is better for you. Thanks Jay I've been researching both methods but was after some first hand experience. Do you find dehydrating takes a lot of (active) time? I'm not talking about the time it's just sitting in the machine, but the time you are actively preparing it/checking it/storing it etc?
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 22, 2014 18:27:09 GMT 10
I've only ever done fruit, so I can only speak from this, and I had ago at jerky once too.
Ok, Apples - I just slice them as thinly as I can. It usually takes about 8-10 hrs on my 5 tier dehydrator, rotating the trays every hour. Pineapple - same as apples, though if cut finely, don't take as long, about 6-8 hrs. Strawberries - thinly sliced and put on baking paper on the trays. 4-6 hrs. (WARNING: Once you start to eat them, you won't stop). Pears - same as strawberries.
I store them in zip lock bags - I have some apples over 9 mths old that are still good to eat.
My one attempt at jerky - slice rump steak as thinly as possible. Marinade with either wet or dry marinades - keep in the fridge 3-4 days, mixing every 12 hrs. Place on baking paper in the dehydrator, and rotate trays every 2 hrs. Drying time depends on the thickness of the meat. If storing in a zip lock bag, they will last 5-6 days before going mouldy. I'd suggest a vacuum sealer to make small batches, with an oxygen absorber thrown in too.
Frozen veggies - any type ( Buy Aussie brands over any others - ie Chinese, NZ ), place on baking paper, rotate trays every hour/90 min. I haven't tried this yet, but you can store vacuum sealed, or, as I have seen, in a jar, like a coffee jar. Keep in a dry, dark place. To use, add to hot water.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 10:39:38 GMT 10
I'd suggest a vacuum sealer to make small batches, with an oxygen absorber thrown in too. Sorry to throw in my two cents Jay, but an O2 absorber are useless in a vacuum bag as they will leak over time! You are better off using Mylar bags with a O2 absorber for long term storage!
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 23, 2014 13:10:25 GMT 10
Good points @gaz54au... I like the idea that the pressure canner is a LOT more versatile, but I'm a bit worried it'll be more complex and I'm more likely to waste food on failed batches. How long did it take you to get your failure rate low? Also, do you have to use brand new lids every time or can you reuse them?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:07:29 GMT 10
Good points @gaz54au... I like the idea that the pressure canner is a LOT more versatile, but I'm a bit worried it'll be more complex and I'm more likely to waste food on failed batches. How long did it take you to get your failure rate low? Also, do you have to use brand new lids every time or can you reuse them? You Don't have to worry! If you follow the book and online receipts on YouTube you will be fine with no waste! You replace the lid after every use, but Replacement lids are not expensive, and you can buy reusable lids as well! The whole process of canning is simple, just follow the directions and make sure to clean your jars, heat your lids in hot water before use and fill the jars to with in half an inch from the top and clean the lip with a clean cloth/paper towel! And ask me for help anytime...
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 23, 2014 21:24:07 GMT 10
Will do Gaz, thanks!
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 26, 2014 10:26:49 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 10:33:22 GMT 10
The all american canner, is made with out a seal, it's made to fit metal to metal with it's tapered lid, yes it is the better quality, but I have watched a lot of youtube with people using different canners! and they all work the nearly same!!! Had a look, it should be fine! Not sure if it has a seal or not but for you to start with it will be fine!!! Just make sure you read the book for pressure, cooking times and altitude pressure!!! You will enjoy canning...
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jun 26, 2014 10:36:23 GMT 10
So should I make sure it has a seal before buying?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 10:39:27 GMT 10
So should I make sure it has a seal before buying? No, some have seals some don't, just means you will need to replace the seal some time in the future!!! that's all... Bottom line is you get what you can afford!!!
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Post by pozzie44 on Aug 10, 2014 8:08:12 GMT 10
I have an excalibur dehydrator, I don't follow instructions, I slice the fruit veg thinly and place into dehydrator, leave for 10 hrs then check, no messing about changing position of the trays etc and then I guage how much longer I think it needs...easy
I've made jerky. I got the butcher to thinly slice 2kg of top side (his recommendation), let it marinade in 2 jars of salsa for 24 hrs in fridge, then placed in dehydrator for 12 hrs and it was ready. I store it in canning jars with a moisture pack and 2 oxy absorbers and the one I've hidden (so no one eats it lol) has lasted 5 weeks so far and still looking good.
I've also dehydrated a pkt of frozen veg and same, still looks fine, tested rehydrating it and had no probs. I looked into a pressure canning system and it looked like too much work for me lol
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Aug 10, 2014 19:21:50 GMT 10
I have an excalibur dehydrator, I don't follow instructions, I slice the fruit veg thinly and place into dehydrator, leave for 10 hrs then check, no messing about changing position of the trays etc and then I guage how much longer I think it needs...easy I've made jerky. I got the butcher to thinly slice 2kg of top side (his recommendation), let it marinade in 2 jars of salsa for 24 hrs in fridge, then placed in dehydrator for 12 hrs and it was ready. I store it in canning jars with a moisture pack and 2 oxy absorbers and the one I've hidden (so no one eats it lol) has lasted 5 weeks so far and still looking good. I've also dehydrated a pkt of frozen veg and same, still looks fine, tested rehydrating it and had no probs. I looked into a pressure canning system and it looked like too much work for me lol That's awesome! I ended up scoring a never-been-used fowlers vacola on gumtree and I'm in love! We did jerky as well - I think it was rump steak (whatever we had in the freezer) marinated in a bunch of different sauces & spices (I can't remember the recipe sorry) and it was SO good it disappeared the day it was finished. I like your idea of hiding it... although I'm one of the biggest culprits for snacking on the dehydrated goodies so I may have to get hubby to hide it instead
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Post by Matilda on Oct 21, 2014 9:27:49 GMT 10
Hi all! I have been trying to decide which way to go regarding fresh food storage. I started looking at the Excalibur Dehydrator and its capabilities and was impressed by its design and ease of operation. They are very expensive in Australia though. I have found another dehydrator - Ezidri FD1000 - and it is readily available here and appears to do a good job too and it's price is around $300. I have not looked much into canning (bottling) but Fowler Vacola is a name most Aussies are familiar with. In everyday life, I would probably not bother with either as we have access to gas and electricity and day to day cooking is not a chore - but - we are living in uncertain times and storing food is no different than insuring your house or car; you may never need it, but its there if you do. At the end of the day, the food I buy and store needs to have a long storage life. To buy either product to dehydrate or can fresh food with a shelf life of only say 12 months is just not worth it for me. Everything I buy now needs to have a good shelf life or I can further it's life by repackaging it into mylar bags, food grade buckets etc. I would rather sink my money into more canned food. BUT, on the other hand, if the food I further process in either a canner or dehydrator is going to push that 'use by date' out many years, well I'm all ears!! What life span can I get from processing that box of mangoes I purchased at the markets with a) a dehydrator b) canning? One more question In the USA the LDS have 'canneries' in the true sense of the word. You order your 25lb of flour, corn, wheat, sugar, rice, etc (hot chocolate - yum - Mormons don't drink tea or coffee or soft drink and have developed a rich drinking chocolate) and you can either leave with your sacks of produce to head home and store it in mylar bags/food grade buckets, line up to convert that 25lbs of whatever into manageable No. 10 cans - remember the large tins of Golden Circle pineapple juice - that size, using their canning machine or HIRE a portable canning unit where you can take home your bulk supplies, including the #10 tins/lids and spend a day/afternoon canning. Do we have these canning machines in Australia - not necessarily thru the Mormons, but any Aussie company?
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 21, 2014 10:30:25 GMT 10
I've been wondering that too for ages, I wonder if a few of us would be able to pitch in and hire one for the day?
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Post by Matilda on Oct 22, 2014 5:48:11 GMT 10
I have searched high and low to see where you could buy them wolfstar - no luck. Love to be able to hire one though.
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Post by Fractus on Oct 22, 2014 6:56:26 GMT 10
I think it is more a quetion of which one first . Canning is much better long term but is quite expensive to start as you need a lot of mason jars or equivalent. Once you have canned all you want and start to cycle through it the on going cost is about $1 a lid. Only ever reuse lids for non canning purposes as botulism is not your friend. I canned some sauerbraten sauce at xmas( wife's old family recipe) it tastes great 10 months later and did some spaghetti meat sauce a few weeks ago and it is the same as when canned. My favourite dehydrated food is mushrooms. When they come on special I dry 2 kegs. Zip lock and use as required. Do it in a ventilated area as it can smell a bit
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