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Post by shinester on Aug 24, 2020 23:25:29 GMT 10
I have a thought that the 'hoarding' and guilt trips about this. I suspect that people are simply finding an excuse to latch onto to avoid possible change, aka cognitive dissidence. Be part of the crowd is safe right... Of course then most people didn't think about the actual danger to their own lives if the C' thing was as the initial reports put it of 5% death rate. If it had been the 'big one' hundreds of millions of people would be dead right now. Obviously I'm glad it's not, though I see these accusations as a way to avoid change. Complaining usually is I suppose. An avoidance of the pain of change. Yes, it might be an inconvenience to others, people can't get their 'usual' food, .. aka they have to change this week... [more inflexibility] yet at the same time at no time were there actual shortages in food. Lack of adaptation to the situation.
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Post by shinester on Aug 24, 2020 23:14:38 GMT 10
- The last world war.
Ps. I would encourage you to go with your story anyhow Blueshoes, the accuracy or not doesn't dissuade from the lessons and the combined pool of thinking.
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Post by shinester on Aug 24, 2020 23:03:47 GMT 10
21 Days of eating only what you grow, done properly. He's got an extensive garden, trees galore. I like that he put the challenge in the hardest times [winter].
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Post by shinester on Aug 24, 2020 4:31:02 GMT 10
Simple and good.
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Post by shinester on Aug 24, 2020 2:03:10 GMT 10
Oh this thread is great!
I'm liking the fermented preservation especially because vinegar is a much harder resource to acquire in an austere situation, and you use so little salt. I know it 'depends' and that alcohol even in a few percent preserves [which is why most of Europe drank low % beer for hundreds of years at least] though have you got an approximation on what's a reasonable time of storage outside of the fridge?
Also did you know that you can use normal jars in canning? Saves on money and reuses all the extra jars. I've reached a point where I prefer to use them as they're infinity more reusable than the mason jars with the squishy seal. Standard jars don't break more, they seal well [I'd say better] due to the silicone seal. Best part, zero cost if you buy other ingredients in jars.
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Post by shinester on Aug 22, 2020 12:57:54 GMT 10
As more people try stockpiling ... the shelves go empty. When the shelves go empty ... more people want to stockpile. It's a lovely self-reinforcing loop. We've now seen it in action here in Oz for the first time ever. Let us all praise the inattentive and the dull witted ... for they make our lives easier! Yeah, I'm infinitely impressed with people simultaneously complaining about shortages, being afraid of a less secure future and also not wanting to change behavior and just stocking up enough for a few weeks until 'after' there's a run on this or that item. Follow the herd, don't make waves I guess. If this C' thing was actually a major issue [instead of the x10 cold it is] then there would be a great number of dead people. Then there's the guilt trips and false morality of not stocking up because it's 'hording', not fair and so on, when everyone has the same ability to purchase, it's mostly a free country. The lack of adopting of social distancing [took months] ignoring of other good info early [it might well have been worst] and sticking to status quo despite it's potential fatal results. I've been reassured that cognitive dissidence is quite rife. I suppose I might too have cognitive dissidence had I not contemplated situations previously.
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Post by shinester on Aug 22, 2020 0:33:00 GMT 10
I did it in late Feb, got a family member onto it, gave an elderly member 14 days worth and my advice of 90 days with another turned into about 6 months for them... was good to know as it was my emergency bug out location too. I went from store to store in the local area and filled the car a few times. Was hilarious to me when I saw an Asian couple doing the same, filled their car more than me really. Some other people getting in on it. I already had supplies though they are 5-10 years old so I'm looking at them as less nutritious. I really don't worry about cycling food other than the stuff I eat all the time, it's too much of a pain in the bum, time/fun sink. It looks to me like with a few brain cells anybody could stealth build a supply of 90 days. Tag-team, multiple stores. It's interesting to see how the news/media effect supplies, how runs on types of food occur. The obvious is Toilet Paper [why?] though seeing it at various times with staples, spices , sugar, flour, even milk. What are people doing with so much milk? Tastes like crap if it's frozen. Funnier since the long life didn't seem to go except with the initial panic. I was looking to getting a chest freezer, more out of necessity than for prepping and sure enough second hand their in short supply. [elevated prices]
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Post by shinester on Aug 22, 2020 0:15:00 GMT 10
Restrictions on getting cash? Something's very very fishy. This Andrew's guy is over the top as always. I'm glad it's not nuclear war and everything's ok, I think I'll leave the makeship shelter as is anyhow, I'm considering digging a hole in the ground under the house in case this all goes to poo, wish I had done that years ago, oh well. It's all a bit weird. Not sure what's going on, the power's come on only for a short time and there's water flowing again, seems like only essential services get power for now according to the radio. Glad some communications are back, at least phone towers are working, even if I getting constant messages from my family that's annoying. The food in the fridge is going to be no good soon. I think I'll keep talking with the neighbors around and try and see if we can build up some more rapport, organise a BBQ in the street. A little late to get to know them, though you know, modern society, kinda weird doing that, but hey, it's a good excuse and it's not too far off what people do in situations, all of the refrigerated food is fooked anyhow, might as well teach some people to cook and preserve, perhaps the other people in the house can try to get some fuel, one of the cars is almost empty, the supermarket's open without lights, might be a chance..
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 14:09:14 GMT 10
Yeah they're tween-teen girls, here's a spade. In a way getting them and the ill prepared parents doing the gardening might be a good plan for their own lives and for them doing the labor on both of the properties when it's ok. I have the seed and enough food to support a few people.
Wise. That promotes an idea in me, there's plenty of areas near by that are bushland that could be seeded, of course the downside in the current environment is native habitat disturbance.
Yeah, hence the question. I've done the sums using data from people who KNOW how to grow large amounts of crops and with modern machinery. Spreadsheets of data... Taking those yields and halving [or worse] shows it to be fairly intensive and backbreaking, let alone not having the space. Water supply, irrigation, weeding, soil improvement, fertilizer. I think about the number of gloves that last [which ones], tools and what to do if/when they break, it's a huge issue long term. I have watched many channels on youtube about being 'self sufficent' and all of them are trading in for staples like grain anyhow, one guy lived on spuds, trading and foraging and gave himself 90 days to get ready. I very much doubt he could have kept that up for long. I have the seed if it came down to it, more than enough seed of high kilojule food to do it with losses, though I would have to give it all it's worth and it might still be touch and go. I think having a decent orchard and/or lots of sheep would make it far more doable long term with it's reduced labor costs, though they're not options in my situation. It's a tough one, and it makes me want to invest more in food rather than more in farming equipment other than the seed which is a small investment that can supplement my food stores, but probably not be more food stores.
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 13:48:54 GMT 10
Yes full of food and I ought to have explained, there's restrictions on staples, such as two packets of pasta, two of rice and so on. You're also limited to 5km diameter or nearest if further here in Vic. Hence the curiosity. How do you not draw attention to your local, yet build a supply of a few months whilst maintaining security. Have different members of the household buy to the limits and get various cans, liquids and so on I would suppose. Looking at the numbers the staple supplies of 2x5kg bags of rice and 2x 500g pasta, unlimited rolled oats [lets say 5 bags], give you 15kg of food and a really basic rule of thumb for staples [1500kj/100g] is 1kg = 2 days for one person, so each shop gives you 30 days/person. So it's quite doable of course.
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 3:27:27 GMT 10
I'm pretty sorted with food and seeing this pandemic in Feb, I got an extra 90 days well before shortages. I'm curious though, if you were new to prepping today and wanted to stock up what would you do?
2 bags of 5kg rice is about 20 days for one person. So it's doable. Thoughts?
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 0:56:50 GMT 10
I'm in the field, and yeah for sure, when you expose yourself to 'story' you level up in your emotions and thinking within difficult times as stated. The degree to which it helps is related to how much you put yourself in the situation, helps you keep a cool head. Who's done five days without eating? That will change your reality more than you know. I regularly watch this channel for emotional stability in various scenarios [and played paintball etc a lot] as it prepares you to an extent for significant emotional events. Exposure increases rational thinking under pressure. www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mwAdjust to the Australian situation of course.
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 0:38:09 GMT 10
Playing this out as it happens.. Stage 1 - Hmm, that's odd power goes out here all the time in weather, hasn't been a storm? I've got some backup power/solar and a gen, though I'd probably just check with my phone as to what is going on as best as I could. Statewide? That's of concern and quite unusual, has the weather been hot? Is everyone using their aircon at once? Don't think so, very unusual! Hmm, I think I better put the panels out to keep a charge and nurse the batteries. What do I need to charge? Dam, the phone's almost flat. I'll put that on a fold out panel I have for phones/radios and see if I can figure this out, it's probably nothing, though if it's something.. Stage 2 - Dam, there's no reception on the phone now? Frack me the tower's out of power, haven't seen that before. I suppose we've got the radio in the car, I just about never listen to it, though scanning the dial, I've got some stations with people talking and others with just music [all commercial stations have automatic music players if the air goes dead for long enough both in the studio and on the antenna]. Other states as well? This is likely to be serious. War? Looting already?!! That's fast, people are panicking. This is not good and sooner than expected, usually people have cognitive dissonance and it takes them days to catch up out of routine. I better start talking to the close neighbours, suggest that in cyclones they say to fill up bath tubs because of the loss of power to water supply. [playing half dumb]. I'm playing as if I miss some of the details listed initially, rumors and with limited time listening to the radio as I reach out into the neighborhood. I'm sure I would get info soon on it, and to which I would strongly expect that a nuclear war is about to, or is already occurring. I don't have time to dig a shelter though the moment I hear about pine gap being destroyed, I'm going to start building an improvised shelter, beds, bookcases, anything, in a part of the house I have in mind as best as I can as fallout might be a near term issue, though it's unlikely Melbs will be a primary or secondary target, there's far more bigger fish to fry. I like the getting cash idea - I don't need supplies, though cash I could potentially use. Will adopt.
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Post by shinester on Aug 21, 2020 0:14:39 GMT 10
I was thinking about this one as I was looking at getting a new batch of seeds, fertilizer etc as the stock I've got are 4-5 years old now, even if stored well. Do I really need to plan for the garden properly, stock up with everything I need, fertilizer, extra tools? I really can't see myself planting much in the first 90 days if everything's gone to poo. - My neighbour's kids jumped the fence for fruit a couple of weeks ago. Had no idea, they left a note. Unless the crop is guarded 24/7 then people are going to do this, putting them and me at risk. - If I'm blazing away well prepared with a full crop in, I'm going to get attention - High kilojule food needs 90-120 days to grow. Growing enough for a decent number of people requires a lot of work. - It's highly unlikely that food supply isn't restored in less than 30 days, if it's not then I sure as heck don't want to be looking like I have food. - I have more than enough food stored. It's mostly crap but will keep you alive if you have some greens or vitamin pills. - To my mind security would be the greater issue. Thoughts?
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Post by shinester on Sept 26, 2017 12:23:09 GMT 10
My recommended Geiger on the cheaper end, under $200, that I have and it's great! GMC 300e plus - Ebay list A manual. www.gqelectronicsllc.com/gmc_300e_plus_user_guide.pdfIt does have it's limitations, it doesn't do alpha radiation which means it's not reliable for testing if food is edible [aka radiates alpha particles] with the tube it comes with, though it does do Beta, gamma [xray], your main issues from fallout and what you need to shield against. It is both sensitive and has an upward limit of 1Sv [100 rem] which is very hot, aka only very short length of exposure is relatively safe, at most an hour if you're a non-pregnant adult. I also have a 'survey meter' which is only for very high levels of radiation, such as being in fallout, the idea with them is to place one end outside the shelter and the reader inside so you can see when the radiation levels have fallen to safe enough levels. A quick mention on alpha particles, your skin stops them, so they are safe outside of you. If you swallow or breathe in material radiating alpha particles, they are not. Beta particles can be stopped fairly easily and gamma is the main issue from fallout, which is what the shielding is needed for. Lastly I don't see any geopolitical threats to Australia currently, though it has to be said NK might indeed drop/launch some nukes if they keep going the way they are, they just won't be on us due to difficulty of delivery and us being far far lower value targets.
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Post by shinester on Sept 6, 2017 13:11:34 GMT 10
Somewhat helpful understanding of how humans work by a professor of psychology. It is worth noting that this isn't necessarily the consensus or what happens according to the evidence, though it's worth examining never the less.
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Post by shinester on Sept 6, 2017 2:18:03 GMT 10
Got enough power to do daily microwave. Backup is alcohol burners, next to a nice big open window. Blue flame ought to have low levels of CO which is the main issue, same goes with gas. We use natural gas stoves every day in the kitchen, if it's blue I'm not overly concerned, though still cautious [open window]. I'm also planning to 'heavily diet' but not starve in bad situation to fit in. Lastly I have months of food that requires no cooking in case I need to stay low key, the smell of cooked food as well as smoke can give away your position and situation.
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Post by shinester on Sept 6, 2017 2:00:43 GMT 10
Sure, though it could also be a standard fat-boy type weapon that's 10 times the size and not able to be deployed at all due to it's size and weight. They also don't have the intercontinental ballistic missile, though they are probably close. I smell a ruse, though sure if they do indeed have a thermonuclear miniaturized weapon it is of great concern. Cutting their oil pipeline from China would work very quickly creating a total economic collapse and starving millions to death ceasing production on a wide scale, though in time they can turn the coal into fuel like the Germans were doing in WW2
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Post by shinester on Sept 6, 2017 1:44:21 GMT 10
Saw that tonight, interesting, but I still think a few AGM deep cycle batteries is easier and safer. I concur. Forklift batteries also.
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Post by shinester on Aug 30, 2017 9:03:17 GMT 10
Sadly some kind of war is inevitable.
In terms of morality, they have clearly and unquestionably threatened and are capable of carrying out some kind of action on those threats for many years against many countries. That is the state is acting evilly. They have both biological and nuclear weapons and both of these will continue to be developed in the proceeding years. They have a great number of basic artillery pieces pointed at Seoul and tens of thousands of civilians will be killed. They have crappy arms, though limited warfare from submarines could be done, even striking at major ports in the US by say detonating a nuclear device that's on board. They will not win any engagement, they can't. Air superiority with 3 aircraft carriers in the region is already obtained. Whilst they have the largest bunker system in the world, their forces will be wrecked if they come out from their holes. They have acted with evil intent for a long time and have already given Carte blanche to the world to take action against them. I support action against them and I say that with great sadness as I have a good idea that it would turn very messy indeed.
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