token: Jay, wind makes it chilly 5.5hours east of you too. Reynold, me too!
Apr 26, 2017 18:50:27 GMT 10
Jay: Welcome reynold - I have added a few videos & posts re living in bunkers - hope it helps.
Apr 26, 2017 19:53:57 GMT 10
Jay: ....it's in the "Bunker Down or Bug Out" section, plus a few more vids in the DIY section.
Apr 26, 2017 20:06:55 GMT 10
cookieoz: hi there, have been prepping now for 2 years with my family...hubby and 3 kids. Finally got my parents wanting to prep as well. I understand how you feel ziggysdad with not wanting to preach. When they don't want to hear it I call it ostrich syndrome. Lol
Apr 27, 2017 2:58:34 GMT 10
shinester: Heya Cookieoz
Apr 27, 2017 3:05:38 GMT 10
shinester: I hardly talk about it outside of the community, though I have a few hobbies that I might encourage others into that are related
Apr 27, 2017 3:07:09 GMT 10
I just re-read the Jakarta Pandemic over the weekend and am re-reading the Perseid Collapse series now. There are so many books in the Perseid Collapse series now through Kindle Worlds, including one by Angery American, which I enjoyed.
I think someone dropping a nuk could be very possible and i dont think that should be classed as 'paranoia' , after all, take a look at what is happening right now for instance. Trump isnt backing down and NK is flexing muscle, are either of them bluffing? i dont think so.
My concern here is that someone else like China or Russia might intervene against the US, and this means the US have to ensure they have all their ally's seriously on board and China and Russia knowing it to hold them back from a possible attack, otherwise its WW3.
I do not have any doubt either that if NK do indeed have Nuk capability they will use it. The other thing that comes to mind is if Russia and China etc do not weight in openly, i wonder whether the might secretly funnel a nuk to NK to attack the US? Dunno.
China owns over a trillion dollars of US debt and there is a massive trade deficit with the US (the US imports $463 Billion from China and only exports $116 Billion).
From an economical standpoint, China's interests and the US's interests are similarly aligned. I think it is much more likely that China will be an ally if something were to start with North Korea or Russia. That said, where the US and China relationship gets shaky is where Japan is involved - you've seen this already in the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea.
Jaffa North Korea so far has only managed to get a missiles to travel 350km, so I think we are reasonably safe. Our northern areas are at slightly more risk than down south. But that said we do make a safe target in that Kim does not have to worry about Australia retaliating with an atomic bomb, unless we borrow one from somewhere. There are getting to be quite a few false news reports being posted else where. Certainly we need to keep our eyes on the developments.
Australia might not have a nuclear arsenal, but the US keeps a nuclear arsenal in Australia. Many of the bases are co-located, so I'm betting that the US would view an attack on Australia very similar to an attack to the US directly.
Most reports suggest that North Korea have at least 4 missiles capable of 1,000-3,500 km range.
If you have to stay closer to town for work or whatever then;
Lets face it SHTF may never happen, do you want to be driving so much further to get to places every day? The cost in time and fuel doing so every day, every week, every year adds up to be quite a lot.
Option 2 provides more family time (if that is a factor for you).
I moved closer to work two years ago and now walk 15 minutes to/from work everyday. I cut out 30-45 minutes of driving each way and get an extra 5-7 hours a week to spend with my daughter (she is 4 and I relish this additional time)
LDS sell cases of 30-year shelf life staples at very reasonable prices (only in the US) and I did the math previously and could put up 52 weeks of food for 3 people for about $1000. It would cost you triple that here (and you'd have to purchase the buckets or mylar separately).
spatial the thing that would have worried me about the property you listed was the fact that right in the middle of your 'town' there were two privately owned residences. Coupled with the fact that the cottages can't be occupied year round (with the exception of the caretaker), so the residents might have first dibs on your town if you were headed there.
4-8 months. - not having large amounts of meat and veg/fruit is letting me down, though that's based on false assumptions about nutrition. 8-12 months. - If I make up for the flaws in the survey due to missing details or incorrect aspects.
Of course it's quite flawed - food, you don't need 'meat' and 'veggies'. What you need is a balanced source of protein and vitamins, your body doesn't care about the type of food, it's the macro and micro nutrients that matter. So in my case I have a great deal of food in kits that is fairly balanced, food in the cupboards that's quite a variety, and older stores in buckets that's not balanced out at all, but adds quite a good amount of time. The reality of having about 3 years of food for 2, with a reasonable variety, vitamins and so on ought to have topped out that score. The food quantity is there to be able to provide additional people [security] in reality, though that would depend greatly on circumstances. - water, it doesn't include rain storage, that 1/4 of households in the country have and if you have a normal sized roof in most areas of the the country you'll have more than enough to drink. Perhaps not enough to grow food. I'd call it the most reliable and safe renewable water supply, as easy as cutting the guttering and sticking a drum under it. - fuel for heating. In most of the country, it's nice to be warm, but if you have warm clothes and bedding you could get away without heating no prob. - fuel for cooking. Why you need hundreds of gallons to cook, I'm really not sure? Other options such as alcohol stoves [my main option and kept with kits] isn't there and if you do one big meal a day [500g pasta lets say] then that's only about 80mls/day if you're stretching it. 1 Gallon = 47 days at that rate. Same goes with propane for cooking, you need to have 209 gal of propane to get +1 shelter. You're kidding me, a 8.5kg bottle is about 16L of fuel, so you need 13 of them to score only +1, I think not, that's enough for years of cooking.
Here's the scoring from the show by the guy who did it. There's some flaws here too, though the thing about all of this is I like that it gives you 'some' idea as to where you might want to focus and I'm all for that and I think it's useful. Having watched this ages ago, I made some adjustments to my approach to prepping because of it.
I think we should make up our own scoring sheet based loosely on this, though allowing for the obvious 'success' caveats already mentioned. As Frostbite said, having a river through your property is a pretty reliable source of water and endless, assuming it never goes dry. Having various means of filtration etc would be useful as redundancy, though they ought to only add a small percentage after the main filtration.
Thinking about homes in the US - if you answer that you have propane to cook food, they are assuming you have a 500 gallon propane tank outside your house (I do back in NH) - they aren't thinking about cooking on the BBQ or a burner attached to a propane bottle.
Rain storage is VERY uncommon in the US, but freshwater lakes, ponds, rivers and streams are much more common.
Is QLD (Brisbane specifically) temperate? Or Hot? They had a cactus next to hot, so they are thinking Arizona, Nevada, NW Texas in the US - not places that get 1200 mm of rain a year.
The Meat and Veggies was a bit mystifying to me as well. They don't ask about vitamins, calories, fats, etc. - just pounds of meat/grains and servings of veggies/fruit and MREs. Where do you stores of UHT milk, Butter, Gatorade, Juice, Sugar, Honey, Snickers, etc. get accounted for?
Water and Food were seen as my weaknesses - I find it kind of odd where I have 12 months worth of calories for the three of us and 200+ litres of bottled water in the basement, a Berkey and water purification tabs for 2+ years
I scored well on medical and X-factor, but not having guns and ammo were an issue.
I went back and maxed out every answer except the guns and ammo and the max score you can achieve is 8-12 months without guns and ammo
Last Edit: Apr 19, 2017 14:38:17 GMT 10 by ziggysdad
She must be a poor money manager. Active deployment in a war like environment pays approx $10k per month tax free, more depending on rank. ADF give plenty of advice and assistance before and during deployment to help spouses manage. My daughter returned with $80k from her time OS, became deposit for her second house.
They aren't married yet and don't have joint accounts. No benefits for girlfriends...
Interesting that China was "shocked by the air strikes", where most reports put the Chinese leader Xi Jinping at the White House during/immediately prior to the missile launch against Syria. Most reports suggest the timing was strategic, so he was most likely in the know ahead of time.
I learned that a friend is struggling to make ends meet while her partner is deployed in Afghanistan for a second time - apparently he is coming to the end of a six week radio silent mission and knows nothing of her current financial struggles. She works, goes to uni, is completing her clinical psychology rotations and babysits for us on the side. Hearing that she has been eating nothing but rice for the past three weeks (she had a bag of frozen peas two weeks ago and some soy sauce this week) and that she is concerned with vitamin/nutrient deficiencies, I convinced her to let us help her. I outfitted her with a year of multivitamins and two weeks worth of food from my stockpile, plus a block of cheese and a loaf of fresh bread.
Her situation reminded me of when Ziggy's mum and I were newly married and had a food budget of $10 a week for the two of us. It was rough, but character building.
Anyway, meal planning for someone else out of your stores helps to highlight strengths and weaknesses of your stockpile. I think I need to spend a bit of time inventorying and restocking during the holiday - if only the shops were open more hours this weekend!
@pasta deefa I respectfully disagree. The war in Afghanistan has dragged on 16 years and I see this as a decisive move signaling the likely withdrawal of US and coalition troops in the near to mid-term. I don't think Trump wants the military fighting other President's wars.
I discussed this with a friend last night, here in Brisbane, whose partner is one of the 5,000 coalition soldiers currently deployed in Afghanistan. We discussed the MOAB as an attempt to put an end to this never ending conflict (anyone else notice that the primary enemy shifted from being the Taliban to ISIS in this one?).
I oppose the Taliban and ISIS and want our soldiers (coalition and US) brought home as soon as possible. I think the MOAB moves the needle in that direction.
Can anyone see prices? This could be an interesting weekender concept or a way to get the missus to pull the trigger on a larger piece of land in the Toowoomba region with the thought of building a more permanent home down the track.
After months of trying to find a spare weekend to take the girls camping... I finally just got the tent out of the sea container and we went camping in the back paddock last night.
They managed to make a small fire themselves, took nearly an hour to build but the eldest (6) was determined to start it herself with a ferro rod.
We had spam & spagettii for dinner, cooked on the spirit stove... I need to put some paper towel in camping kits that will be used by kids, they're messy!
5mm of rain overnight, 40-50km winds gusting to 78km made for an interesting night. One of the poles snapped but it was only for the small front room bit of the fly so we didnt get wet. ... What does everyone else think about the age to give kids their first knife?
You camped out last night too!? Wild weather for it aye. I had to re-peg our tent twice, maybe we should get some sand pegs - but no snapped poles at least.
Your miss 6 is very capable and responsible for her age and can do things some adults can't. Our kids will be closer to 10 or 12 before they'd be responsible enough.
My wife became fascinated with this when we observed toddlers wielding machetes in Cambodia. They open their own fruit, clear grass and apparently ward off snakes.
She encouraged me to purchase a Gerber Gator Jr for my daughter with the intention of giving it to her when she was 3 (she is 4 1/2 and I still haven't let her touch it).