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Post by Ausprep on Nov 11, 2013 19:16:39 GMT 10
Guy's n Gal's, just a warning when using FB with anything hunting realated. Have come across this, well what i would call a hate page. Using people pics on there page and ridiculing hunters, some of the comments are really quite nasty. Even seen they poke fun at a 16ish year old boy who was left paralyzed in a hunting accident. www.facebook.com/huntersshoulddie |
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 11, 2013 19:46:39 GMT 10
Stupid, childish and un called for!!
Hope they don't find this site.
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Post by fox on Nov 11, 2013 20:59:25 GMT 10
I love armchair commentators like this absolute lowest common denominator , no idea what they are arguing about , no concept of the environment , or the history and place hunters have had in protecting animal welfare and the environment , and you know that the second any of these tools came face to face with you they would back away with out a word the gutless wonders , just to be on the record about it , i hunt for many reasons but i would not hunt unless i thought it was the right thing to do , the huge hypocrisy is that 99% f these tools will eat meat , personally I feel that this is just refusing to take responsibility for the death of the animal and shows no respect for the cost of life either the one being sustained or the one being taken to sustain it , Just the other day i had a woman tell me that hunting was not needed in australia and just cruelty , she was eating a ham sandwich at the time , when i pointed out that she had just paid someone to slaughter a pig for her lunch she was adamant it was not the same thing , I agreed , the difference being is that free range pork i hunt had lived a free natural life doing whatever the hell it liked , and not only was the animal used to feed families , there was a real need to remove it from the environment to stop the huge amounts of damage it would have done, that pig , when it died it would have had no idea it was coming , it would have been doing something it loved to do like eat or wallow or sleep and there would a sharp pain a short panic and he passes away free to the end in the sunlight , on the other hand your pig was kept in a pen and feed the most economical diet that would allow weight gain , lead onto a truck into a dark slaughter house and killed , i have a feeling the pig knows whats coming because i have never seen a happy truck load of pigs at an slaughter house , as usual when faced with these sorts of logical arguments hippies tend to degenerate into name calling but you get the idea of the argument , these things rile me up becuase hunters are the ones showing respect for the animal and the environment , not these do good bleeding heart hippies,,,arrg rant over lols
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 11, 2013 21:53:36 GMT 10
What they forget is that there is a big difference between shooting and hunting.
"The ethical hunter only kills what he needs and needs what he kills and feels no
disgrace in letting the big one go!"
A vegetarian is just failed hunter...
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Post by alex on Nov 14, 2013 20:42:47 GMT 10
i have been hunting for 40 years and we do get a bad rap , and unjustly.
some people seem to think we are just out to kill anything that moves without any for thought
most of my hunting trips are just to clean up feral introduced animals of which most are edible
some people are just very single minded and you would be wasting your breath to convince them other wise.
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Post by Ausprep on Nov 14, 2013 21:05:04 GMT 10
some people are just very single minded and you would be wasting your breath to convince them other wise. you are dead right here Alex (Pardon the pun) There has been so many hate pages towards hunters on Facebook of late, all using personal images of people and mostly images that can be misconstrued. It is wrong. I get so worked up with it all, but as you said. You cant convince these kind of people. Thanks for your post! |
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Post by stokedapollo on Nov 23, 2013 10:00:15 GMT 10
I have also noticed a lot of these arm chair commentators will be saying this while eating a maccas burger
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Post by bigredtomatosauce on Nov 24, 2013 23:19:08 GMT 10
I'm going to likely be the unpopular opinion here, but I thought this was bloody hilarious: hollywoodlife.com/2013/11/20/ricky-gervais-melissa-bachman-twitter-rant-hunting-lion/I'm all for hunting animals for health (I would prefer to hunt my own meat than buy it from a supermarket) and wellbeing, but I don't advocate killing things for sport. I think that hunted animals taste better and are better for you because they lived better lives (not pumped with chemicals, living outdoors in the sunshine every day instead of in cages or a barn). I feel like killing something for sport, or so you can put the head on your wall is the biggest compensation you can do. I feel that taking something's life is important and highly valuable to survival, but if it's not in self defence, or you aren't going to appreciate what you caught, you're a bad human being. You train to hunt on targets, you hunt your animal and you eat/utilise as much as you can. I'm glad Gervais took this world wide and he's an incredibly funny human. |
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Post by Jason on Nov 25, 2013 13:53:17 GMT 10
I don't think there is anything unpopular about your opinion mate and I agree with it 100%. I wouldn't think that anyone here is in the category of hunting for fun - as Jay said there is a difference between a hunter and a shooter and I don't see anything wrong with a hunter taking a life to provide food for his or her family.
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Post by Ausprep on Nov 25, 2013 14:55:48 GMT 10
I don't think there is anything unpopular about your opinion mate and I agree with it 100%. I wouldn't think that anyone here is in the category of hunting for fun - as Jay said there is a difference between a hunter and a shooter and I don't see anything wrong with a hunter taking a life to provide food for his or her family. Ive never shot anything bigger than a Roo (yes, once i did) Ive helped cull both rabbits and foxes from a mates property. The foxes were killing baby sheep and calves, the rabbits were destroying the land to an extent there had been cows put down due to broken legs. The thing that gets me though, and sorry to the above posters BUT she done this legally..Paid big $$ to hunt in S.A LEGALLY Do i agree with it? Well, not the Lion But... She is an avid hunter, both firearms and compound bow, both too which she is great with. She has openly posted these pics, in doing so, has done NOTHING wrong but is getting slammed for it.. Its her choice to hunt and i support her choice. |
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Post by bigredtomatosauce on Nov 26, 2013 3:48:52 GMT 10
she done this legally..Paid big $$ to hunt in S.A LEGALLY Do i agree with it? Well, not the Lion But... She is an avid hunter, both firearms and compound bow, both too which she is great with. She has openly posted these pics, in doing so, has done NOTHING wrong but is getting slammed for it.. Its her choice to hunt and i support her choice. I can't agree with this. The purpose of our legal system is to enforce justice. Justice is essentially enforcing the societies values and ideals. This is why law changes as people change. We are aware of slavery being inappropriate and now that is illegal. If so many people are angry about it (not about the hunting, about shooting things for trophies) then maybe this reflects where the law needs to change to conform to societies values and ideals. The fact that cigarettes are legal despite killing 6 million people worldwide per year (yes, as many as the nazi regime but every single year), the fact that I can't snare a rabbit in NSW to feed my family if I lose my job, the fact that I have to pay preposterous fees to throw a fishing line in the water, yet commercial fishing boats just empty the ocean of all of its fish are just some examples of why it being legal doesn't make it right. I completely respect her right to hunt, but I reserve my right to call her a bad person based on her motivations for hunting. |
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Post by Ausprep on Nov 26, 2013 7:21:10 GMT 10
she done this legally..Paid big $$ to hunt in S.A LEGALLY Do i agree with it? Well, not the Lion But... She is an avid hunter, both firearms and compound bow, both too which she is great with. She has openly posted these pics, in doing so, has done NOTHING wrong but is getting slammed for it.. Its her choice to hunt and i support her choice. I can't agree with this. The purpose of our legal system is to enforce justice. Justice is essentially enforcing the societies values and ideals. This is why law changes as people change. We are aware of slavery being inappropriate and now that is illegal. If so many people are angry about it (not about the hunting, about shooting things for trophies) then maybe this reflects where the law needs to change to conform to societies values and ideals. The fact that cigarettes are legal despite killing 6 million people worldwide per year (yes, as many as the nazi regime but every single year), the fact that I can't snare a rabbit in NSW to feed my family if I lose my job, the fact that I have to pay preposterous fees to throw a fishing line in the water, yet commercial fishing boats just empty the ocean of all of its fish are just some examples of why it being legal doesn't make it right. I completely respect her right to hunt, but I reserve my right to call her a bad person based on her motivations for hunting. I didnt say i agree'd with it, i was emphasizing on the fact she has legally done nothing wrong. |
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Post by Big Ted on Nov 26, 2013 21:13:19 GMT 10
she done this legally..Paid big $$ to hunt in S.A LEGALLY Do i agree with it? Well, not the Lion But... She is an avid hunter, both firearms and compound bow, both too which she is great with. She has openly posted these pics, in doing so, has done NOTHING wrong but is getting slammed for it.. Its her choice to hunt and i support her choice. I can't agree with this. The purpose of our legal system is to enforce justice. Justice is essentially enforcing the societies values and ideals. This is why law changes as people change. We are aware of slavery being inappropriate and now that is illegal. If so many people are angry about it (not about the hunting, about shooting things for trophies) then maybe this reflects where the law needs to change to conform to societies values and ideals. The fact that cigarettes are legal despite killing 6 million people worldwide per year (yes, as many as the nazi regime but every single year), the fact that I can't snare a rabbit in NSW to feed my family if I lose my job, the fact that I have to pay preposterous fees to throw a fishing line in the water, yet commercial fishing boats just empty the ocean of all of its fish are just some examples of why it being legal doesn't make it right. I completely respect her right to hunt, but I reserve my right to call her a bad person based on her motivations for hunting. LoL Yes thats what the " Purpose " of our justice system is for and to think that it's enforcing societies values & ideals is pure naivety and a bold display of your youth. Laws my boy, are made by Fat cats and fat cats are told what laws to make by those with money! After all...money makes the world go around and Government, no matter where it is, is the biggest organized crime syndicate in the world. What you said about the Law changing regarding hunting and your rant on fishing and snaring bunnies etc, is simply Moot as Money is what has influenced these bizarre changes! Thats blantantly obvious with the fact that you have to pay exorbitant prices to fish for yourself and you can get locked up for years by taking undersize fish etc, yet as you pointed out commercial fishing robs the ocean and people of fish every other day! Not only are you off the mark with the law and how it works but you're off the mark about the noise being made by the general public! You will find that she has an incredible amount of support from the Hunting community in general and of course the support from the Game farm and most importantly, support from the Government in Africa! Why??? The government makes a Killing off Dangerous Game hunting all year round ( Pun intended ) and Money talks so the Vocal Minority will Not sway an organized crime syndicate on their decision to allow Hunters to kill their purpose bred, Trophy specific animals! Whether an individual Hunts for a trophy or simply for its meat, it's still Hunting no matter what. The only variable is the end result and the motivation to do so. This is a fact not an argument. I must say that I have certainly enjoyed Killing animals in the past and it was only last year that I went on hunt with a few mates in the territory and killed that many pigs it wasn't funny! I did'nt do it for the meat, I didn't do it as a favor for the Oz mafia ( Govt ) for conservation, I did it purely and simply because I fkn Love Killing pigs! If there is one animal that is definitely a disgusting creature and deserves death more than Taliban insurgents, it's feral pigs! And there is absolutely Nothing Wrong with enjoying it or taking a trophy of an impressively aged and well built tusker! Yes, I have Killed for trophies when I was a younger man around your age tomato sauce and I enjoyed doing that too. I no longer do it and now only hunt occassionaly for money ( work here & there ) and for Venison and bunny for my family. I simply have no desire to go out to hunt for trophies, the pig from last year was opportune at best and I had a little nudge from a partner so I took advantage of that. I support this lady 100%. I have a friend who is employed by a Game farm in Africa & runs hunts and his primary role is to take out Paying customers to hunt big cats. They are bred purely for the purpose of hunting trophies and wait for it...................Making money!! The animals are always killed ethically with a minimum size for calibres used and if hunted by a bow then the archer is tested prior to hunting, a minimum poundage is required and the arrow heads are to have specific bleeders attached for a higher chance of success and no pain as with blunt instruments. 9 times out of ten they are drugged out of their brains from tranq darts! This is not a secret at all but it's something that the vocal minority are not really aware of. These animals do not suffer at all and like Wayno pointed out, it's all legal and above board and a Highly regarded past time amongst those with ridiculous amounts of.....................Money!! LoL If you're against it than that's all well and good but Now I am going to have label you as a " Bad person ", because you don't agree with what I think or what other think! See what I did there? Please Just tell me one thing tomato sauce? 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Post by Big Ted on Nov 26, 2013 21:21:37 GMT 10
Guy's n Gal's, just a warning when using FB with anything hunting realated. Have come across this, well what i would call a hate page. Using people pics on there page and ridiculing hunters, some of the comments are really quite nasty. Even seen they poke fun at a 16ish year old boy who was left paralyzed in a hunting accident. www.facebook.com/huntersshoulddieAs Gaz pointed out arguing with these crazies is like flogging a dead horse or trying to win an argument with a drunk! These people are mentally unbalanced and would in fact rather see humans hunted and killed instead of animals! That sounds to me like they should be locked up in a padded room! Out of all the animals that are hunted in the world, governments have put in place rules and regs to prevent extinction and unethical hunting practices etc. It's the Criminals who break these laws and poach and do all sorts of nasty things that deserve punishing like any other criminal. You break the law then you pay, it's that simple. Having said that, most animals hunted in the world are of an amazing abundance and hunting actually prevents them from doing things like over populating and eating native animals like in Oz, bilbys and wallabies, etc. Hunting is a good thing and a conservation requirement! |
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Post by bigredtomatosauce on Nov 27, 2013 7:00:26 GMT 10
The power of law has changed over the years, but the law has the purpose that I said, and it did. Slavery had a huge amount of money behind it, as did hemp production, and both of them were outlawed despite "fat cats". I have faith that the people will stop putting up with the raw end of the stick that has been shoved up our ass for years, and will make changes.
Pig hunting to protect the ecosystem and roos for farmland is for food: you're protecting the land and crops that produce food so even if you aren't eating the animal, you're protecting the food going on your table.
Also, the breeding of cage bred lions is a big business in Africa but so was slavery, doesn't mean it was right. "Hunters" that have to have a lion in a cage that is bred to not fear humans, but to know them to give food makes the hunt a joke. There is no more skill in shooting a hunting bred lion than shooting a target. If anything it's easier, because lions sometimes approach the vehicle.
I don't believe in hunting humans at all, you're putting words in my mouth. I believe if there is a risk to human life then animals need to be hunted out of the area. The mountain lion population is out of control in the USA and lions are entering neighbourhoods and killing pets. A kid playing in the backyard is next on the menu and they need to control the population. I believe in killing things that directly threaten our existence and our standard of living, but I don't think shooting animals for fun is in any way acceptable.
You can call me naive and young, but I feel your stance is ignorant and old. Especially the way you talk about people that we've had wars against. I completely understand the attitude you need to have when in battle to protect yourself, your mates and to make sure there's no hesitation in pulling the trigger, but outside of war, these are people that are just like you that are forced into the military and sent in to war by the "fat cats" and extremist running their war effort. I think your hate for Taliban and other Islamist military should be directed to the generals commanding attacks.
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Post by Big Ted on Nov 27, 2013 16:19:27 GMT 10
Slavery had a huge amount of money behind it, as did hemp production, and both of them were outlawed despite "fat cats". I have faith that the people will stop putting up with the raw end of the stick that has been shoved up our ass for years, and will make changes. Again....Naivety. Both of these things are still Prevalent all over the world!!! Slavery, Outlawed due to the Majority of people wanting equality. When you talk of slavery in US well,.....then we're opening a can of worms that I'm not really interested in getting in to, but from the south there was almost an equal amount of resistance with regards to the equality that was put on the table and used for War. Getting off topic though.....Slavery is all over the Middle east and Africa. How do I know that, I have seen it with my own eyes. Weed........People I know in Australia, smoke and sell weed! My old next door neighbor in Sydney grew all his own plants and lived and supported his family off the profits from selling it, day in day out. The biggest reason Marijuana is illegal is because the Government can not regulate it's production and keep track of the sales and therefor is not something that they can control & monitor like everything else. In other words, you can't make money off selling drugs without paying the big dog a Tax! MONEY MONEY MONEY, it makes the world go around. Pig hunting to protect the ecosystem and roos for farmland is for food: you're protecting the land and crops that produce food so even if you aren't eating the animal, you're protecting the food going on your table. Yes, but my point was that I don't do it for any of those reasons at all. That is simply a positive by product of what I do. My motivation for doing so is what I was trying to highlight and that the life of one thing is just as valuable as another s! Wouldn't you agree with that? Also, the breeding of cage bred lions is a big business in Africa but so was slavery, doesn't mean it was right. "Hunters" that have to have a lion in a cage that is bred to not fear humans, but to know them to give food makes the hunt a joke. There is no more skill in shooting a hunting bred lion than shooting a target. If anything it's easier, because lions sometimes approach the vehicle. So you're inferring that the moral decision to enslave a human and to hunt a purpose bred wild animal for a trophy is the same thing?? I do agree however that it's like shooting crabs in a barrel. Like I said previously, most of the time the animal is drugged for a high success rate of an ethical Kill. This is not always the case mind you, at times there are prides that are deemed man eaters and require killing and the game farms are most of the time the persons to get the contract to do so from the government. The farmers get payed to do this from the government and then sub contract the hunting out to paying business's who run safaris! See!?? It's all about money! I don't believe in hunting humans at all, you're putting words in my mouth. No I did not do this. I asked you a question on this matter with no suggestive type of undertones at all. Anyone who I have spoken to on this particular matter, has openly said that hunting humans specifically game hunters, would be more favorable to them rather than seeing Lions etc Killed. I wanted to know if you were of the same irrational opinion so I wouldn't waste my time discussing anything further with you. but I don't think shooting animals for fun is in any way acceptable. This brings me back to my view on Killing pigs, the value of their life and my motivation for doing so. Now that you have pointed out that Killing pigs is a Good thing for conservation for the environment and humans and other animals in general, how can you justify saying that what I have done and will continue to do is unacceptable! Remembering that I kill them for pleasure / fun. You can call me naive and young, but I feel your stance is ignorant and old. Especially the way you talk about people that we've had wars against. I completely understand the attitude you need to have when in battle to protect yourself, your mates and to make sure there's no hesitation in pulling the trigger, but outside of war, these are people that are just like you that are forced into the military and sent in to war by the "fat cats" and extremist running their war effort. I think your hate for Taliban and other Islamist military should be directed to the generals commanding attacks. Oh my boy........deep calming breathe......... firstly, Ignorant I am not! It is you boy, who is ignorant of War in general and this is evident by you professing to understand how a Soldiers "attitude" Needs to be " When in Battle " or the very fact that you assume that it is so easy for a Soldier who has been to War to simply turn off the switch and to try and see people for what they are, or that you think that it is in fact politicians who are to blame for them Cutting the genitals off covert Gay couples and young boys and girls who are in love but not married. Why on earth cant I see that these people are just like me?? Hang on, I don't remember ever cutting someone's heart out with a blunt hand crafted knife or beheading a woman accused of being an adulterer or stoning to death a young girl for looking at her brothers friend in a lustful way or cutting off a 5 yr old boys hand because the poor little fkr was starving! I could go on!! Mate it is You who is ignorant of the ways of War and where the responsibilities lay for the actions of an individual irrespective of what the hierarchy in command asks of his men! I think that you should not bother making comments on matters that you Clearly have No fkn idea about!! I think that the life of a Lion is worth more than a Taliban Militant any day of the week. They are Nothing like a western person and feel no compassion or regret or sympathy for anyone or anything other than their Cult! I say this with Years of experience behind me and a tear in my eye for the Men who I have seen bleed and watched the life slip from their eyes due to up close and personal contact with Taliban fighters! I don't believe that you have ever met a Taliban fighter or encountered anything that could be construed a having experience in a theatre of War therefore making you as qualified on the subject as much as I am in Walking on the Moon. 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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 20:44:54 GMT 10
As a non hunter- I cannot understand people who hate hunters. How is a bullet in the head of a deer different to a bolt in the head of a cow on the killing floor?
Admittedly I'd be pissed if hunters were trespassing on my property, or shooting into it, but does that even happen? Also, although I don't understand the whole shooting things you don't have to, rationally, it is more efficient to eat plants rather than animals as well but I really enjoy a good t-bone.
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Post by tacticalmonkey on Nov 27, 2013 20:56:28 GMT 10
I enjoy the kill for the fact of being able to feed myself and those around me. Kill the pests so the native wild life can go on. All my shots are clean and with one round, if I doubt the shot I won't take it.
Nate I always enjoy reading your posts, you should be a pollie, we need f@&kers with back bone.
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Post by fox on Nov 27, 2013 22:15:54 GMT 10
just to add my two cents on the Bachman lion hunt ,these hunts are part of the most successful conservation tactics ever employed and a lot of misinformation is going around about them ,the campfire conservation program has single handily brought several species not only back from the brink of extinction but to the point of over population( including elephants and rhinos) and helped develop and sustain some of the poorest communities ,on top of that it is pretty much the only effective tool currently used against poachers ,90% of its funding comes from hunting and all of its efforts and funds are used to manage and conserve the ecosystem and develop strong economic bonds between the people that live there and the wildlife ( see link ) www.globaleye.org.uk/archive/summer2k/focuson/mars_pt1.htmlThat lion cost the american 60 thousand bucks , that went directly to conservation and community projects , all of the meat went to poor rural families and in one simple but effective movement the lion has been turned into an asset to be protected rather then a threat to livestock and personal safety, that's a hell of a personal donation or a great trade off for the community , the lions and the environment in exchange for the skin of a single lion , it also fights poaching in two ways , one it kills the market by opening up legal trade options for certain products and secondly it provides incentives for communities to drive out poachers , its also interesting to note that Texas of all places is home to dozens of species of African animals that are extinct in Africa now ,once again thanks to hunters who make them a valuable commodity the so called canned hunt was on a game farm that was massive , around 40 thousand acres or something and the lion was not drugged or acclimatized to humans so getting to 60 feet was freaking dangerous even with a loaded gun , lions hang about in packs and could cover 60 feet pretty bloody quickly i would imagine ,the other big misconception is that trophy hunting some how reduces the numbers of the species, the exact opposite is true , trophy hunters take old animals past there prime out of the gene pool allowing the younger generation to breed more and reduces strain on food sources ,this increases the amount of young being born and their survival rate once they are running around , people seem to forget that we are part of a system , we are all predators regardless of what we feed on , herbivore ,carnivore or omnivore we all have an important part to play in maintaining the balance , there are two sayings that have always rung true for me about hunting , one is that "without the wolves the deer would eat the world to dust" and "only the hunter can save the forest from the woodman's axe and the farmers plough" |
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