shinester
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Post by shinester on Feb 4, 2014 8:32:14 GMT 10
Yeah, it's always the way fox. I dare say most armchair conservationists don't take time to understand what's going on, don't get perspective and make rash assumptions which have little to do with facts. I call myself a conservationists in that I care about sustainability, I care about pollution, I care about urban encroachment. I also fully believe that a bullet is a good step towards helping the environment when things are out of sync.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 12, 2017 19:06:57 GMT 10
Wow, I've read this after 3 yrs, and still love the topic - anyone care to add to the conversation???
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Post by token on Jul 12, 2017 20:02:59 GMT 10
Wow, I've read this after 3 yrs, and still love the topic - anyone care to add to the conversation??? Yer wow! Thanks for the resurrection, missed this one completely. From a quick read it seems we have some of those nutcase crap speakers who try to align 'humans' with 'animals' in the same breathe, and or push 'their form of hunting' and tell everyone else theirs is wrong. I have no doubt that some members comments belong in the OP's facebook link, as they are emotionally irrational and fruitcaked in their head, not considering the facts! Loving Big Ted's responses, absolutely agree, thread hijack to Melissa Bachman and the personal shots, hahah, 'not a real hunter', 'would not be able to hunt our bush pigs' bahahahaha, obviously know nothing about Melissa, nothing at all, bahahaha. But what gets me is how they know nothing, get shown they are wrong and then try and keep going, oh dear, pride cometh before a fall! Why not take me on with this story, i enjoy a good punch on with these idiots!....or should i say 'advocates for murder', fools! If you dont put a price on an animal, it can risk extinction! Do you think the cow, the pig, the sheep, the goat, et cetera risk extinction, ah nope! Fools, heaps of impoverished people get to eat as a result, more lions are created and numbers grow, thus saving the species, stimulating the economy, and more. You care more for your opinion that truth and facts. Guarantee its 'save the whales, kill the babies' mentality too. Fools! no clue of the environmental destruction that some species create or, the predatorial aspect of a growing number of animals, management is essential for more than even this. 'Trophy hunters are bad people' bahahaha, really! 'This lion was hunted drugged and in a cage', bahahahah, really! Bring it!
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Post by token on Jul 12, 2017 20:11:45 GMT 10
Hang on, im not finished, and i loooove shuving these sort of parroted banter back down the throats of these foolish uneducated folk who have a cause with their 'opinions' void of facts and truths.
How did we get on to 'justice' and 'the mass of a society' deciding on what is deemed 'ethical', bahahaha, its the bean counters that make the laws, our democrazy is stuffed, it works on balance of power and pushing a bill through that some other bod holds the vote to get it through or not doing a deal with what he wants in order to push it through. On top of that, its a left media influence (minority) that helps change societies views.
In order to look forward, you have to go backwards into history!
Great lets talk about 'Justice', so you can go to a doc full term in vic and say 'i dont want it, kill it', without your boyfriend or husbands consent, yet biology and science declare inarguably, 'life starts at conception', and then, if you hit a pregnant lady in the stomach, and she loses the kid, its manslaughter or murder, but you can kill it if you want...hmmm, lets get back to the lion, and trophy hunters and flex our zeal and threaten hunters if they dont agree with our psychotic opinions!!!
I think i should be banned from this thread for a while for the good of this forum and safety of my computer right now...grrrrr!!
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 14, 2017 1:32:48 GMT 10
Hang on, im not finished, and i loooove shuving these sort of parroted banter back down the throats of these foolish uneducated folk who have a cause with their 'opinions' void of facts and truths. How did we get on to 'justice' and 'the mass of a society' deciding on what is deemed 'ethical', bahahaha, its the bean counters that make the laws, our democrazy is stuffed, it works on balance of power and pushing a bill through that some other bod holds the vote to get it through or not doing a deal with what he wants in order to push it through. On top of that, its a left media influence (minority) that helps change societies views. In order to look forward, you have to go backwards into history! Great lets talk about 'Justice', so you can go to a doc full term in vic and say 'i dont want it, kill it', without your boyfriend or husbands consent, yet biology and science declare inarguably, 'life starts at conception', and then, if you hit a pregnant lady in the stomach, and she loses the kid, its manslaughter or murder, but you can kill it if you want...hmmm, lets get back to the lion, and trophy hunters and flex our zeal and threaten hunters if they dont agree with our psychotic opinions!!! I think i should be banned from this thread for a while for the good of this forum and safety of my computer right now...grrrrr!! No reason to ban you from this thread - yet - LOL!!!!! But seriously, there are a few valid points you make; As the initial thread started out, there is a concerted effort with a minority segment of society/politics to demonise guns/hunters/shooters!! Yes, their arguments are irrational, and in most cases either under researched, or facts/figures/statements are carefully exploited to convey their presuppositions on this topic. I'll just touch on one topic for now - game hunting!! Oh No - he shot a zebra - that poor animal - they'll be extinct in no time - we need to ban guns!!!! As has been mentioned, game hunting is very carefully regulated!! I know, I've made enquiries myself. Let's stick with the zebra. So, Mr Hunter goes to Africa on safari. He stays at a resort, or camp ground out scrub. He has a guide, porters, cooks, extra hands etc. He doesn't just shoot up the herd for the hell of it - Mr hunter is directed by the guide which animal to shoot!! Bang, dead Zebra. A few happy snaps, pats on the back, few more happy snaps, then the animal is skinned, and packed so when Mr hunter goes home, Mr Taxidermist has another job to do. Meanwhile, the meat is distributed to the guides, porters, cooks etc, who then distribute it to their local villages. It's nothing more than a controlled cull by people who understand which animals need to be culled. Not only does it provide a lot of food for the villagers, but Mr Hunter has paid a lot of $$$ for this hunt, for staff, guides, visas, permits, food, etc. The economic benefit far outweighs the whinning of a few animal rights people. It's the same with other game - elephants - why??? Because conservationists have done such a great job ( I'm fair dinkum about these comments too ) bringing them back from the edge of extinction, that there are now too many elephants, and the country cannot support the current numbers - so, in the name of conservation & good economics, they let hunters in to kill selected elephants - more food for the locals, more $$$ pumped into the local economy..... I'll stop now, or I may be tempted to write my views on the likes of PETA, the Greens, and other leftards!!!!!
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Post by spatial on Jul 14, 2017 7:43:41 GMT 10
These are very old arguments, in South Africa where hunting became big business and many farms converted to holding wildlife instead of cattle they increased the value of wildlife and if something has value then it is preserved, if it has no value then it is not preserved. Was listening to ABC radio yesterday driving back to the coast they had a person form NSW DPI who manages the hunting in the state. He too is a hunter. and spoke about the financial benefit of hunting in NSW and that there is something like 17,000 resisted hunters 'R' licence to hunt on crown land and dear. He mentioned that there are lots of Hunters come to NSW for duck hunting esp in the rice growing ares as part of annual cull. (Most of them from south Australia and Victoria). Many spend up to $20k a year on hunting. It was a very positive discussion on hunting. Recently dear hunting regulations have been suspended. It is unfortunate that a few very vocal idiots seem to get the limelight. Just found a link to the survey that was mentioned in the ABC interview. www.mudgeeguardian.com.au/story/4788163/nsw-big-bucks-in-bucks/
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Post by Pasta Deefa on Jul 14, 2017 10:42:34 GMT 10
Personally I keep any online activity linked to my real identity sanitised of any content that could cause opsec or infosec issues. I don't want some mate of a mate breaking into my house when I'm on holidays looking for the gun safe.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 14, 2017 22:11:14 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Jul 14, 2017 22:20:51 GMT 10
Yep, 4 of the 6 people who live in my house don't know about my preparations, firearms, etc. Because I trust neither the very young nor the very old to maintain opsec.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 23, 2019 12:36:47 GMT 10
We see the same kind of thing here in NW Canada. There are people who can, must, and do subsistence hunt. That is fine. We have livestock. That means you WILL have predator issues eventually here in the bush.
Short statement from Wildlife Biology classes from long ago. Hunting is one of the better game management tools available to wildlife management agencies that also produces a significant amount of money to use for management plans.
Like said, then there are the people, mostly urban, who go to the bush once a summer. They stay in the cabin with housekeeping and room service available. If they don't see an animal with big horns, and an animal with big teeth they consider there trip a failure. When they get back to there condos and high rise communities, there social friends with agendas, there triple foam fashion of the day coffees they vote for green, tree huger, bunny huger type legislation they have nothing to do with wildlife science and all to do with fashionable personal feel good. We refer to these type people as Trevor and Tiffany Tofu from places like Vancouver... spit...
Again, people Trevor and Tiffany don't keep livestock so predator issues are not an issue to them. So loosing wildlife and livestock is natural to them as predators have to eat too. To loose livestock to predators they can't equate to having there dog Fluffy take tofu off there plate or chewing up cash from there wallet. For instance grizzly bear hunting was legislation stopped last summer. By den time last fall the number of livestock losses and human encounters had sky rocketed. Believe me any 2 year old grizzly is capable of taking down an adult moose, horse or beef steer.
I personally don't know of any such incidents like this, but it is said most people with livestock apply a predator protection system called the "Triple S" system.. Standing for shoot, shovel, silence.....
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2019 23:11:04 GMT 10
The "Triple S System". I like that.
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Post by Morgo on Jan 24, 2019 21:28:22 GMT 10
I'm not much into hunting and have no interest in shooting a lion or elephant with anything other than my camera but its so annoying to hear people who clearly have no idea how things work over there bag on the hunters.
We cull animals here all the time for various reasons, its no different in Africa they cull animals as well for various reasons.
Instead of just having a ranger in Africa shoot the animal they came up with the idea of letting foreign hunters pay large amounts of money to shoot the animal for them. The money they gained is then used for breeding programs, food, medical needs, more rangers to protect against poachers and so on.
I've been to Africa and I can honestly say with out the money that the "trophy" hunters inject into the conservation programs some species would be far worse off.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 26, 2019 11:49:37 GMT 10
I can honestly say with out the money that the "trophy" hunters inject into the conservation programs some species would be far worse off.
EXACTLY what said.... This has been my pet peeve for a very long time. That being the tree hugging, bunny hugging, tofu latte slurping people raising a fuss over things they have no clue how it works just because it is the latest social justice feel good fad.
One PETA type organization (people for the ethical treatment of animals) raised something like $50 million dollars for legal fees only to do with animal rights cases. Think what a countries wildlife management agency could accomplish with that amount of money.
Rant off...... for the moment.....
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