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Post by VegHead on Jan 10, 2015 10:13:54 GMT 10
Well this what I found 'out the back' this morning It's really a war out there. I go out on the fox every night, and last night saw nor heard a single 'red dog'. Six hours later, this little darling is enjoying her new 'housing' ... a mere 3 metres from my ducklings!!!! Arrgghhhhhhh..................... Attachments:
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Matilda
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Post by Matilda on Jan 10, 2015 11:48:43 GMT 10
I know they are a menace but she's sooo cute.
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 10, 2015 12:14:24 GMT 10
We have had serious damage done in our various poultry breeds by foxes in the past but about four years ago we installed Fox Lights (http://www.foxlights.com/).
I discovered these by talking to a local sheep farmer who told me that he had lost lambs to foxes every night up until he installed his first two lights and after that he never lost a lamb to foxes. The following year he installed a further two lights and the year after another two giving him a total of six lights.
We have two lights and have not lost any poultry to a fox since they were installed but we also upgraded our fencing because of the prior losses. Fox lights work but I believe they do need help, secure fencing, locking stock in at night and having a dog that can lay its scent around the place also helps.
I also lay 1080 baits if I feel that there are foxes hanging around and in the past we have had a lot of (35 to 40) foxes take baits as we have infra red cameras that we use to see what is actually taking them. We also allow shooters to walk over our property several times a year to spotlight for foxes and I believe that this is a must as I do not believe that when it comes to foxes that one solution on its own is the best, it may work for a while but in the long term several means of attack are warranted.
Foxes are capable of predating all of the native animal species in an area and if you think foxes are cute then please take into account what the rural areas would be like if fox numbers were not controlled.
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Post by Frank on Jan 10, 2015 12:46:56 GMT 10
Only good fox is a dead one, so good work Veg.
Even though they are a pest and have shot plenty of them, they are a pretty amazing animal in that they can survive almost anywhere, eat almost anything and once they have been shot at once they learn, adapt and become crafty little buggers
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Post by Matilda on Jan 10, 2015 12:47:46 GMT 10
I know I'm being too urban by saying that she's cute, but waking up to a decimated chicken coup is not 'cute'. Although we have never had poultry or ducks, I have seen what it does to a 'family on a farm' being there when they discover in the morning most of their chooks either dead or severely injured. Everyone suffers and when you depend on every area of the farm to sustain you, the loss is great. We had some Herefords and we lost one to a plastic bag carelessly discarded. She was the first to drop a calf and she would allow us to pat and rub around her ears. It was devastating because she was not only 'a special girl', but a lot a blood sweat and tears, not to mention money, goes into raising any form of livestock. Between foxes, feral cats and wild dogs, its a wonder we have any native wildlife left. Some family friends had sheep and wild dogs packs were decimating their herd until they got in some alpacas.
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Post by VegHead on Jan 10, 2015 14:02:30 GMT 10
Thanks Matilda. My main deterrents are me walking around the paddocks at night with a spotlight and an 'open carry' of a .243 or .17HMR rifle. Our place sits in the middle of my neighbours acreage as our house was once the former neighbour's daughters place so we are surrounded by 70 acres that pretty much backs onto State Forest aka fox territory. Thanks also to Peter. Forgot all about using fox lights so thanks for the heads-up matey. Our fences are pretty good including electric around 50% of the shelter belt to tame the sheep inside, and have traps, scents, etc. Can't use 1080 as I'm not a PP. I like your approach in that using several varying methods are the best deterrent. We also have a feral cat problem thanks to above said neighbour who breeds and feeds his collection of mongrels (he actually spend $100 a week to feed them so you get an idea of just how many he has!!!!), however, they cross my property line and it's game on. (Actually my .17HMR is zeroed for 100m and his haystack, where they tend to raise their young, is exactly 67 metres soooooo it's not really a challenge to check my scope's zero every now and then heheheh. Mind you I do have to forensically remove any evidence from the crime scene i.e.: send the missus 'over the wire' to sterilise the kill zone .... they make good compost, too). Oh what fun on the farm we buggers have
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 10, 2015 20:50:07 GMT 10
Just a point about 1080.
I am not a primary producer but I do have an ACUP (Agricultural Chemical User Permit) issued by the Department Of Primary Industries and with that I have a 1080 certification.
These qualifications are not that hard to come by but it must be remembered that 1080 must be used with extreme care as it is fatal if taken by a domestic dog, either your own or another persons pet or working dog. I am against urbanites obtaining 1080 certification unless they really have a legitimate use for it as there have been cases in the past where it has been used indiscriminately in urban areas.
We have several dogs and when I lay baits they must be penned even for several days after foxes have taken the baits or I have collected them as you can never be sure if a fox has actually swallowed it or dropped it nearby.
There are also fairly strict regulations about contacting neighbours before baits are laid and signs must be posted stating that baits are laid in the area.
If possible shooting is the best answer followed up by the destruction of their habitat.
We have a good dog that will attack a fox and we also have neighbours that shoot/spotlight during the lambing season and this appears to make them more susceptible to the effects of the fox lights.
A good dog is also great for the control of cats as most cats will head up a tree to get away and if you can tether the dog by the tree it gives you an opportunity to get a means of its destruction. We use cat traps if we know that there are cats about but in the 20 so years we have been here we have only caught and destroyed five or six cats on our own property.
One of the disappointing facts about cats that I learnt in the eighties is that they are immune to the bite of the Sydney funnel web spider.
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Post by VegHead on Jan 10, 2015 20:55:23 GMT 10
5 or 6 cats? I take that many out in a week!
Thanks for the heads-up on 1080 certification, but DEPI have laid 1,000s not a km from my back paddock (State Forest) and I still get the bugger sin. I've only just come in from having a walk around as I have a ewe about to lamb ... might be a long night shining tories, etc.
Good night all.
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Post by Nighthawk on Jan 10, 2015 21:38:45 GMT 10
Just picked up my new .243 today. If I was closer I'd come and put in a shift with you VegHead.
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Post by Joey on Jan 10, 2015 21:46:14 GMT 10
Hey veg, can you please post some more piccies of your trap there? I am looking at making a few up and after some ideas on designs
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Post by VegHead on Jan 10, 2015 21:57:37 GMT 10
Sure Joey, I'll take some snaps tomorrow for you.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 10, 2015 23:36:34 GMT 10
One less fox is a few more animals surviving - good job.
Is the bounty in Vic still going???
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Post by shinester on Jan 11, 2015 5:44:56 GMT 10
I think foxes are rather pretty animals, unfortunately they do need some lead in their diets.
The bounty was there last year $30 for ear to ear.
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Post by Fractus on Jan 11, 2015 10:09:05 GMT 10
Hmmm. Dead foxes.. There will never be enough dead foxes. Never ever ever!!!!
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Post by Fractus on Jan 11, 2015 10:09:41 GMT 10
I bait my fox trap with Indian mynas. Win win.
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Post by VegHead on Jan 11, 2015 19:38:04 GMT 10
Pics as promised Joey.
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Post by VegHead on Jan 11, 2015 19:39:48 GMT 10
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Post by VegHead on Jan 11, 2015 19:44:20 GMT 10
Last one Joey showing the trap shut.
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Post by Joey on Jan 11, 2015 22:26:09 GMT 10
Thanks Veg, did you make that? Is the trigger a rod with the food tied to it? And what are the aprox dimentions?
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Post by krull68 on Jan 11, 2015 22:27:13 GMT 10
Fox's, rabbits, cane toads. Idiots who cannot think past the short term.
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