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Post by myrrph on Dec 15, 2015 13:47:04 GMT 10
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Post by graynomad on Dec 16, 2015 7:07:59 GMT 10
Tough times. We probably wouldn't last a week.
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Post by shinester on Dec 16, 2015 9:10:56 GMT 10
Tough times. We probably wouldn't last a week. Knowing a little of your 'travels', aka the extensive hiking/walking you've done, I'd suspect you'd be one of the best at lasting in here. With that much wood to keep warm, that much food to stay full and so on, it's camping  What most people would struggle with [and potentially loose their sanity to] is being alone for 6 months. Collecting all of the food, firewood, hunting with ancient techniques in the months leading up until the winter would however would be the really hard times. Whilst he had some livestock, it looked to be a LOT of hunter-gathering in there, which is hard enough to get enough for today, let alone 6 months in excess for winter. Worse because he was doing it alone. |
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Post by graynomad on Dec 21, 2015 22:26:14 GMT 10
Tough times. We probably wouldn't last a week. Knowing a little of your 'travels', aka the extensive hiking/walking you've done, I'd suspect you'd be one of the best at lasting in here. ... He he, here's hoping we never find out for real. I don't think being alone for that long would worry me, I guess it depends on what you had to do but I admit that in a northern winter one could get a little cabin fever. I'd be buggered with the hunter-gatherer part though, not in my current skill set  |
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Post by shinester on Dec 22, 2015 4:30:59 GMT 10
He he, he's hoping we never find out for real. I don't think being alone for that long would worry me, I guess it depends on what you had to do but I admit that in a northern winter one could get a little cabin fever. I'd be buggered with the hunter-gatherer part though, not in my current skill set Yeah, I've got your skill level there, hardly anything. I can fish, use [and have a few] animal traps that I might use in such a situation, though my perspective is about growing things. Whilst I don't have the time required now to grow enough to eat, I've done the calculations and have run the experiments to prove the concepts of growing enough food to get by, or at least mostly get by supplemented with some occasional protein/stores until things bounce back enough. There's a reason we mostly do agriculture these days it has to do with needing a wide range to gather enough food for one person and also the energy it takes to collect. Agriculture is far more efficient. |
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Post by graynomad on Dec 24, 2015 10:12:38 GMT 10
You're well ahead of me then in the food-growing area it seems.
I do plan to concentrate more on this and less on building this coming year as the building part is almost complete. Even if I can just grow some spuds for starters I'd be pretty happy.
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Post by Ammo9 on Dec 25, 2015 19:57:02 GMT 10
Looking nice, because of my shifts and frequent returning home.. I'm going to investigate building a small, self watering set up. Mainly herbs, but also some veges. It's only a rental so don't want to invest too much in the place that I can't easily move with me in 6-12months.
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Post by graynomad on Dec 27, 2015 9:42:49 GMT 10
Well after Frostbite posted a pic of his great garden I thought it only fair that I do the same  No no, don't applaud, your admiration is enough. BTW, does anyone know how to open those bags of potting mix? I may need it one day. |
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Post by Fractus on Dec 27, 2015 11:45:52 GMT 10
Use a 12g and sprinkle it like salt. That gives a nice even spread of potting mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 7:15:27 GMT 10
If it wasn't for Jinny's garden skills, I would live on meat, beans and rice...LOL
I think we need to take our eyes off what we are doing at the present and look at the difference our gardens and skills would be like if we had the time. WTSHTF we will have time to garden , hunt, fish etc. We would have the time to cut wood for the winter.
The time we have at present is for PREPARING!!! making sure we have what we need for the long haul. Learning the skills, buying the books and tools we need. So don't worry about tomorrow as we have enough problems for today. Use what time and resources we have to prepare wisely today for tomorrow!
Our soft lifestyles and local supermarkets and Hardware stores and takeaway shops and all the modern facilities have taken away from our roots as Australian. The desire to keep up with the Jones!!! and have all the latest gadgets and comforts have taken away our independent living skills to the point that we are a nation of useless wimps!!! Reliant on the Government and the credit card.
The ANZAC spirit and national pride and family values and self-reliance, the heart of Australians has been replaced with Cultural,Political,religious and monetary minority pandering.
Those of us with the heart to be prepared and not bow to that which is not right will survive and live a good but maybe hard life. Like any great Athlete, preparation is the key! Not living for today but the goal that is ahead!!!
and as said in my favorite movie!!! " YOU CAN DO IT!!!"
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Post by myrrph on Jan 26, 2016 10:26:56 GMT 10
Looking nice, because of my shifts and frequent returning home.. I'm going to investigate building a small, self watering set up. Mainly herbs, but also some veges. It's only a rental so don't want to invest too much in the place that I can't easily move with me in 6-12months. You can try growing them in pots. Not those small circular pots but larger troughs which can be placed on top of a van or the back of a pickup with lashings. It won't be a lot, but it'll be better than none. And you can bring it along with you when you bug out. |
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Post by shinester on Jan 26, 2016 18:23:23 GMT 10
SHTF growing might be about growing in poor soil and with no external fertilizer. What then?
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Post by Ammo9 on Jan 26, 2016 19:18:08 GMT 10
SHTF growing might be about growing in poor soil and with no external fertilizer. What then? Things like chicken poo maybe? Planning a circular agriculture system |
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Post by myrrph on Jan 26, 2016 20:06:15 GMT 10
well .. till AusTemplar reaches his BOL it'll have to do ? If he chooses to stay at his rental coz his landlord didn't survive, he can always transplant.
My suggestion was in relation to his issue with his place being a rental so there is no point investing too much into the growing. The use of boxes or troughs might help to still grow stuff and yet be portable.
If you come to a shtf situation where nothing can grow, you are screwed _anyway_
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Post by tails on Jan 26, 2016 20:31:49 GMT 10
I think we need to take our eyes off what we are doing at the present and look at the difference our gardens and skills would be like if we had the time. WTSHTF we will have time to garden , hunt, fish etc. We would have the time to cut wood for the winter. The time we have at present is for PREPARING!!! making sure we have what we need for the long haul. Learning the skills, buying the books and tools we need. So don't worry about tomorrow as we have enough problems for today. Use what time and resources we have to prepare wisely today for tomorrow! I might be reading this wrong but part of my preps is learning how to garden again... for the last 15 odd years I have not really had to... lived in the city and when I got my wee country estate to busy to do so... I initially started out 10 months ago with 2 normal sized townie type arrangement to bolster my food preps. my thinking that this should be enough cover shortfall and extend my preps well into winter..... WRONG.... I now have 5 vege gardens (2 of which cover approx 70 square metres each where I have concentrated on my main crops... peas beans corn cabbage brocilli and spuds..) while these sustained the family during the summer, I do not have enough to cover me during the winter. Another issue I have discovered is that the soil here on this property had been abused in the past, needless to say I have been composting like crazy to build it back up. If I hadn't done this and left everything to after an event then we would have problems. I am now at the stage where I believe that I have enough gardens to sustain me and the family. (well hopefully next year will confirm this.) In addition with the knowledge I have gained I know that should I get those visitors (Mother in Law and associated hangers on..........) then expansion of the garden will be easier and put us in a better position to cope with more mouths to feed... just saying.. |
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Post by shinester on Jan 27, 2016 4:50:57 GMT 10
well .. till AusTemplar reaches his BOL it'll have to do ? If he chooses to stay at his rental coz his landlord didn't survive, he can always transplant. My suggestion was in relation to his issue with his place being a rental so there is no point investing too much into the growing. The use of boxes or troughs might help to still grow stuff and yet be portable. If you come to a shtf situation where nothing can grow, you are screwed _anyway_ I just ask if I can do a veggie patch as long as I leave a patch of lawn there when I'm gone. I've never been knocked back. You can also as you say do tubs, I've been playing with hydroponics lately. Yeah for sure circular is the key. Got chickens lol? You can use things for fertilizer all around you, leaves, move more fertilize soil to your growing location etc. Got wheel burrows or at least big bags/something you could implement that you could drag, spades? Anything rotting and once living is fertilizer at least given enough time. Denaturing [sterilizing] human waste is something people rather don't contemplate and it's also potentially very hazardous if not done right. Chicken poo burns gardens [due to high nitrogen content] initially. Could we store nutrients at least for a couple of seasons to get us going? What infrastructure do we need to get enough food growing to support ourselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 8:47:47 GMT 10
SHTF growing might be about growing in poor soil and with no external fertilizer. What then? I did a google search on that, there is a lot of information out there. The mote point is if there is a SHTF scenario are you staying put or do you have some where to go?  Every scenario will be different but for a total break down we need to have a plan A,B,C... As a non gardener I decided to have 3-5 years worth of food on hand to compensate! We also have Heritage seed to grow at a later date. So if our soil was poor we would have time to use mulch and organic manure, like all the game guts and bones, food scraps etc. Making sure we have the tools and supplies we need for the future while we can. Buying fertilizer when on special in small batches, few bails of old hay etc. Having a BOL helps to have a place to store/hide your preps. Not many people/thieves will steal old hay etc... I don't want to sound harsh or put anyone down, but I used to make excuses why I could not do something and I learn that the only way I could achieve anything is to put in the hard yards and be willing to go without to be able to do what I needed to do!!!! Since the decision to get of my but and prep for anything we have achieved quite a lot. I just want to encourage everyone, not too worry and do what you can with what you have!!! |
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Post by Peter on Jan 27, 2016 9:39:18 GMT 10
If you want to start composting quickly, speak to your local green grocer and supermarket and ask for any spoiled produce, as well as trimmings, outer lettuce leaves, etc. A day of scrounging can get you a decent start to a great compost pit.
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Post by myrrph on Jan 27, 2016 9:59:53 GMT 10
i dunno. I think pots would be unstable travelling on a BOV. but thats me. I'm more inclined with a broader base. rectangular container, maybe 1m x 1m and filled 20cm with soil ? You can grow a number of things there already. A few of these you have a portable mobile garden. I saw this being done in parts of Malaysia near the sea where they needed the pots to be secureable and not easily blown away. They used broad based containers and could easily bring them onto their boats.
speaking of denaturing human waste, anyone has any good articles on that? I heard that diluting human waste or mixing it with soil or something helps but thats hearsay.
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What most people would struggle with [and potentially loose their sanity to] is being alone for 6 months. Collecting all of the food, firewood, hunting with ancient techniques in the months leading up until the winter would however would be the really hard times. Whilst he had some livestock, it looked to be a LOT of hunter-gathering in there, which is hard enough to get enough for today, let alone 6 months in excess for winter. Worse because he was doing it alone.
