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Post by SA Hunter on May 25, 2016 22:26:15 GMT 10
thesurvivalmom.com/5-reasons-why-normal-people-shy-away-from-the-prepper-world/I don’t believe I’ve ever started an article with an apology, but before I go any further, my apologies to preppers for this headline! I’ve met hundreds of you over the past few years at expos and other events, and you are all so normal! I hope my apology is accepted! Now on to my story. Quite some time ago I recorded an episode of my podcast and included 6 lessons kids should learn from the Trayvon Martin case. Lesson #6 was, “Be aware of how others perceive you,” and it included some great quotes from a black minister who works with kids of all races. As I thought about perception, I remembered a conversation with an Oregon woman who displayed a dramatic negative reaction to the term, “bug out bag.” “Don’t use that term!” she said. “It makes you sound like a crazy survivalist.” Well, I’m not crazy and I don’t consider myself to be a survivalist in the traditional sense, but if we hope to draw others into the ranks of preparedness, our loved ones in particular, then maybe we should consider how others perceive us. Here are a few reasons why I think “normal” people shy away from anything related to the prepper world. 1. Our terminology has negative connotations
“Bug out bag” begs the question, “Exactly why do you think you have to bug out? Are you on the lam?” “Bug out location” sounds a lot like a robber’s hideout or the stereotypical 500 square foot log cabin in the wilds of Idaho, home to toothless refugees from “Deliverance”. “Bug out vehicle” — getaway car, anyone? “C-Day” — Collapse Day, as in the day the United States of America collapses. See what I mean? And I don’t think it’s a strike against anyone outside the prepper world who hears these terms and thinks, “What the heck??” If you’re not a religious person, this is akin to being around people who talk church-speak all the time. It can be a big turn-off. 2. Ditto for our acronyms
SHTF: Sh*t hits the fan. TEOTWAWKI: The end of the world as we know it. WROL: Without rule of law. GOOD: Get out of Dodge In the real world, who talks like this?? If your friends need an acronym dictionary to figure out what you’re talking about, they may decide the prepper world is some sort of secret society with “special” handshakes and creepy initiation ceremonies. 3. They think we’re too negative
When conversations naturally veer toward topics related to preparedness, that’s one thing, but if your stream of emails consist of doomsday alerts from Alex Jones and the like, they will begin to steer clear of you, guaranteed. I get those types of forwarded emails from my aunt, and even I don’t like them! 4. Negative portrayals on TV
Let’s face it. “Doomsday Preppers” didn’t exactly do any favors for the prepping world. Too many of their preppers aren’t relate-able. Many are downright weird. If this is what your circle of friends and acquaintances see as the norm for preppers, do you blame them for not wanting to join the club? 5. Preppers scare them
Nearly every prepper website focuses on topics like pandemics, collapse of civilization, the U.S. becoming just like Somalia, FEMA body bags, guillotines…well, sometimes people just want to think about the fun they’re going to have this weekend at the bowling alley. Who wants to be around people who scare them all the time? 6. They really don’t see the need to prepare
This one you can’t do anything about. Until a person is motivated by their own observations, they will likely not do anything. People believe their own data and will act accordingly, thus the popularity of Home Depot hours before the arrival of a hurricane! One of the very first YouTube videos I ever made was in response to folks who ask, “How can I get my family/loved ones to prepare?” Now, in no way am I saying preppers are crazy and that we shouldn’t prepare. My point is to consider how others perceive us. If we come across as scary, obsessed, or weird, then it’s no wonder that they shy away from the prepper world when it’s possible that being prepared has been on their minds! You can’t do anything about Doomsday Preppers or all the fear-filled websites out there, but you can demonstrate by words and actions what a rational, completely sane prepper looks like!
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2016 7:56:23 GMT 10
Mainly because "normal" people are at the teat of the system and government. And can't accept life without it.
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Post by tyburn on May 26, 2016 17:07:17 GMT 10
My wife says the reason I am so unhappy all the time is that I am so negative. I don't know why she thinks I'm unhappy (I just don't see everything through the rose tinted glasses she always seams to wear), while my so-called negativity is actually being a pragmatic realist.
From where I stand, since Doomsday Preppers came out, the term "prepper" has taken on the negative connotations of gun-toting rednecks that used to be reserved for the word "survivalist". However, when you look at stuff like the government webpages for the SES, disaster preparedness etc, you can see that what they suggest is exactly what we do.
Maybe time for a change of terms to something without negative connotations?
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Post by Ausprep on May 26, 2016 17:36:23 GMT 10
5. Preppers scare them
Nearly every prepper website focuses on topics like pandemics, collapse of civilization, the U.S. becoming just like Somalia, FEMA body bags, guillotines…well, sometimes people just want to think about the fun they’re going to have this weekend at the bowling alley. Who wants to be around people who scare them all the time? From where I stand, since Doomsday Preppers came out, the term "prepper" has taken on the negative connotations of gun-toting rednecks that used to be reserved for the word "survivalist This is the reason why, when i created Ausprep i tried to eliminate the word "prepper" not for its meaning or values but for the tag that the general (unprepared) public place on it.
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Post by tyburn on May 26, 2016 17:47:37 GMT 10
Actually, before I joined this site, I used to visit a couple of European prepping forums, but ended up leaving after finding they were going very much down the US "guns and golden horde" route where everything was either about how big your gun was or when the country would be totally overrun by immigrants and a guerilla war needed. I suppose if a non-prepper visited one of those sites, they would very quickly apply the "looney right-wing doomer" label to all preppers.
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Post by SA Hunter on May 26, 2016 18:50:40 GMT 10
Actually, before I joined this site, I used to visit a couple of European prepping forums, but ended up leaving after finding they were going very much down the US "guns and golden horde" route where everything was either about how big your gun was or when the country would be totally overrun by immigrants and a guerilla war needed. I suppose if a non-prepper visited one of those sites, they would very quickly apply the "looney right-wing doomer" label to all preppers. Well, glad you found this place to your liking - we do try not to follow the norm when it comes to running a prepper forum!!! Hence as Aus said, we don't use that term at all, for the obvious reasons as you have stated!
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Post by grumble on May 27, 2016 3:24:32 GMT 10
To be honest I think what puts off a lot of people is the fact that far to many preppers feel they are some sort of super lone wolf Rambo and everyone else is just stupid sheeple that are dumber then them
I hate that word with a passion
Also I have met more um how do I put it socially dysfunctional preppers that even made me feel awkward to be around them with their rants about how the government is out to kill everyone and is all a great big conspiracy
this is why when I talk to people are about having some reserves in place just in case I never talk about anything even relating to conspiracies or the end of the world or use terms like SHTF
I say things like oh how did you guys fair when the power went off for a couple of days when that big storm hit or I use current news events like a cyclone in QLD fires in Vic and so on
Via this method I have managed to get quite a few on board with being more prepared and less dependent on emergency services
I think the other side of the coin is people within the preparedness community also have to accept that not everyone wants to survive either
I have a personal friend that is very intelligent is self made and is prepared for most of the little bumps in the road however he lives in the US and not very far from minuteman silos In his own words something's are just not worth surviving hence my home location
Then there are those that simply don't want to live in a dystopian world and would rather check out early on This doesn't make the lesser people its a choice they have made and are at ease with
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 2, 2017 14:02:48 GMT 10
I have just found this thread and think its quite interesting what people like to call themselves and how they describe to others what they do to prepare .
I personally don't use the word "Prepper" or "Survivalist" when I speak to other people about what I do and how I do it in regards to "being ready" for what I think I need to "be ready" for.
I look at what I do as being a form of insurance if a bad situation happens. Its based on my own personal experiences gained from doing different "jobs" and being exposed to different "situations" over the years. I am broaching 50. I have seen a little bit.
Over the years I have changed what I have perceived as being a situation I may need to "be ready" for. That situation/s will be different for everyone on this forum. I am not going to go into what I am making plans for as it would be a mute point for this discussion.
I can say I have friends that have similar interests and I live in a small close nit community that also have a similar outlook because of the geography of where we live (i.e remote).
I don't expect to many people to have the same out look as I do. That's life. But this is how I go about my business.
Mozzie101 out.
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Post by shinester on Feb 2, 2017 21:31:36 GMT 10
I think it's much much simpler [yet deeper] than all of that. People are in denial of risk and of fears because they're unable to process them very well. People are terrible at it, I ought to know I talk people through it for a living. Some of us [most probably] have been very afraid of an event/or had an experience in which the reality over come our level of denial that one day we may be in a place where food and water isn't readily available. Historically it was normal to contemplate this, you learned from your parents and from experience, you processed the fear and you took action to mitigate the pain of those situations. These days the pain of those situations hardly occurs, though the risk is still there. So rather I think it's mostly that people can't cope with the possibility, because if they did, they'd go... hmm... I best put aside some food and water.
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 3, 2017 7:53:59 GMT 10
I think it's much much simpler [yet deeper] than all of that. People are in denial of risk and of fears because they're unable to process them very well. People are terrible at it, I ought to know I talk people through it for a living. Some of us [most probably] have been very afraid of an event/or had an experience in which the reality over come our level of denial that one day we may be in a place where food and water isn't readily available. Historically it was normal to contemplate this, you learned from your parents and from experience, you processed the fear and you took action to mitigate the pain of those situations. These days the pain of those situations hardly occurs, though the risk is still there. So rather I think it's mostly that people can't cope with the possibility, because if they did, they'd go... hmm... I best put aside some food and water. I see where your coming from. Its the classic head in the sand mentality. These are the very people you mention that panic when something does happen. Where I was coming from is probably from a personal security point. Don't let any know what you are doing as they will be the first at your door if something does happen. Case in point. The last major cyclone to hit the far north. Neighbour comes over directly after the event and asks if I have any spare fuel for his generator. LOL. I do. I give him a few litres to see him through. I do mention I can't spare any more though as I am running low. I don't. I have plenty. I only did it because as far a neighbours go, he is ok.
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Post by frontsight on Feb 3, 2017 14:28:47 GMT 10
The sales guys at work told me it is all about branding. Its has bugger all to do with reality, only perception if you want to market yourselves to the general pubic. Classical example is the swastika, the Indians and Chinese had it for centuries, some older churches had it, even Native Americans had it (one of the first US units that liberated Europe has swastika, based on native symbols on the insignia). But due to common negative association with the symbol, people just don't use it anymore. We have preppers and we have crazy preppers, unfortunately the crazy ones get all the attention (if we are smart preppers, we stay grey so they don't notice us anyway). Nothing to do with being fair, just the reality of this world we are dealing with, and calling ourselves preppers does not suit us well.
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Post by shinester on Feb 3, 2017 15:28:58 GMT 10
I see where your coming from. Its the classic head in the sand mentality. These are the very people you mention that panic when something does happen. Where I was coming from is probably from a personal security point. Don't let any know what you are doing as they will be the first at your door if something does happen. Case in point. The last major cyclone to hit the far north. Neighbour comes over directly after the event and asks if I have any spare fuel for his generator. LOL. I do. I give him a few litres to see him through. I do mention I can't spare any more though as I am running low. I don't. I have plenty. I only did it because as far a neighbours go, he is ok. Wasn't aimed at your comments specifically, though you are correct. I would concur on the prepping info. Preppers and my wife are the only ones that know. The preppers have the mindset and hopefully supplies to be assets. Having said that, I've been working on some people over lengths of time in terms of joking to them about coming to mine if the zombies come because I've taken them shooting and I trust them in difficult situations more than enough. They are few in number and don't know I have food also, though I would be more than happy to be sharing food with as they would also be excellent.
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 3, 2017 15:36:42 GMT 10
I see where your coming from. Its the classic head in the sand mentality. These are the very people you mention that panic when something does happen. Where I was coming from is probably from a personal security point. Don't let any know what you are doing as they will be the first at your door if something does happen. Case in point. The last major cyclone to hit the far north. Neighbour comes over directly after the event and asks if I have any spare fuel for his generator. LOL. I do. I give him a few litres to see him through. I do mention I can't spare any more though as I am running low. I don't. I have plenty. I only did it because as far a neighbours go, he is ok. Wasn't aimed at your comments specifically, though you are correct. I would concur on the prepping info. Preppers and my wife are the only ones that know. The preppers have the mindset and hopefully supplies to be assets. Having said that, I've been working on some people over lengths of time in terms of joking to them about coming to mine if the zombies come because I've taken them shooting and I trust them in difficult situations more than enough. They are few in number and don't know I have food also, though I would be more than happy to be sharing food with as they would also be excellent. No offence taken. If any was implied. I too have friends/acquaintances that I have "groomed" for want of a better word. For the purpose of having them come stay with us as I see them as an asset. That sounds a bit creepy but that's how it goes. Time would tell as well if it comes off.
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Post by Peter on Feb 3, 2017 19:16:05 GMT 10
Mozzie, I too have "groomed" a couple we know. Other than them we haven't told friends or family. The last thing we need is a swarm of people arriving uninvited to pillage our resources. Add to that the fact that most people can't keep a secret at the best of times...
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Post by Fractus on Feb 4, 2017 7:16:15 GMT 10
Mozzie, I too have "groomed" a couple we know. Other than them we haven't told friends or family. The last thing we need is a swarm of people arriving uninvited to pillage our resources. Add to that the fact that most people can't keep a secret at the best of times... I have a few people who would come to our place as they know there are food resources walking around with wool or feathers on them. For me it is the inability for secrets to stay secret. So it won't be who I tell that will be the problem. It will be who they tell and who they tell etc. etc.
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Post by shinester on Feb 4, 2017 18:59:59 GMT 10
Wasn't aimed at your comments specifically, though you are correct. I would concur on the prepping info. Preppers and my wife are the only ones that know. The preppers have the mindset and hopefully supplies to be assets. Having said that, I've been working on some people over lengths of time in terms of joking to them about coming to mine if the zombies come because I've taken them shooting and I trust them in difficult situations more than enough. They are few in number and don't know I have food also, though I would be more than happy to be sharing food with as they would also be excellent. No offence taken. If any was implied. I too have friends/acquaintances that I have "groomed" for want of a better word. For the purpose of having them come stay with us as I see them as an asset. That sounds a bit creepy but that's how it goes. Time would tell as well if it comes off. Ha... to offend me is quite an accomplishment indeed, sadly you weren't even close. Creep away, I certainly work some people for this. The tricky part is the cross over from thinking about it to doing something about it. In terms of secrets, I only tell people what I know they might tell others they know.
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 5, 2017 9:37:22 GMT 10
No offence taken. If any was implied. I too have friends/acquaintances that I have "groomed" for want of a better word. For the purpose of having them come stay with us as I see them as an asset. That sounds a bit creepy but that's how it goes. Time would tell as well if it comes off. Ha... to offend me is quite an accomplishment indeed, sadly you weren't even close. Creep away, I certainly work some people for this. The tricky part is the cross over from thinking about it to doing something about it. In terms of secrets, I only tell people what I know they might tell others they know. Yourself and Fractus make very good points about what you tell others in your "group" with a need to seriously think about what extent that then get passed on to others outside of the group which is entirely outside of your control. Whether intentional or not. It's something everyone should think about before they open there mouths.
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Post by grumble on Feb 6, 2017 8:59:23 GMT 10
I have to say that in my time the list of major events that never happened but so many "preppers "believed would happen but never happened due to the fact either it was never going to happen in the 1st place or some other event or action prevented it and a good example of that was Y2K the possible damage never happened because billions of dollars were spent globally to rectify the problem before it became a problem now how bad would it of been we will never ever know cause preventive measure were put in place and prevented it from happening. On the other hand there was 2012 doomsday which was never going to happen and there was no real provable evidence to say otherwise apart from theory crafting , speculation , assumptions and interpretation
Herein resides the problem for the prepper community each time one of these events gets publicity and nothing actually happens preppers that have been vocal about making sure things are ready and are warning people the end is near so get your guns, ammo and beans ready tend to look a bit silly thus tarnishing the image and core values of why people do have a stock of resources to call upon in an emergency
To put it simple the more times doomsday or whatever apocalyptic scenario your local militant and vocal prepper's favourite is at the time doesn't happen the stupider the concept of prepping becomes to the general public
Even myself as a person that has spent a great deal of time , money and resources in developing, funding , implementing and actioning emergency plans I find it annoying that people come into the community and rabbit on about how we need to get ready for the holy war with Islam , gays , the government , the greens , the next big doomsday scam or whatever they are obsessed with this month it annoys me immensely for a very simple reasons and here they are
1. If you are new to the concept then the last thing you want unless you are that way inclined is to see a wall of posts that are anti government anti Islam anti gay anti average person anti everything that is considered normal then one little post about chickens The average person that is just getting started normally looks up prepping after some event effected them on a local and personal level like a storm a power outage and so on they in all probability will see that sort of rubbish and think yeah no thankyou preppers are nuts and not wish to be associated with that type of image
2. The community itself especially online can be quite toxic towards newcomers cause if you don't think like or agree with the old boys that have been around for a long time then you are immediately targeted for insults veiled or otherwise oh and if you even dare speak up and say something about it then you are a stupid sheeple special snowflake that wants to hold hands with black Asian Islamic gays while singing greenie songs Out in the real world once again some preppers do the damage to the community image as well and give the news companies a front page story lets be honest every time a "prepper "is caught with illegal items or weapons somewhere in the world our media loves it and make the most of it painting preppers as dangerous individuals that should be avoided and if need be reported Remember once again the average person is in all probability just looking for some pointers and tips to get started or for a reliable source of information not to get branded and tarnished as a raving loon so they will withdraw from the concept once again taking with them any helpful information they could of put on the table to share
3.guns , guns, guns and oh yeah I have more bigger guns than you!!!!! guess what though some people don't like firearms for many reasons and some people just can't own them for a bunch of random reasons as well so if a group or online community places to much emphasis on owning them and touching them and playing with them and showing them off then you start to exclude and alienate those that not interested or able to own them A good example of that is an individual I know quite well who has a very colourful medically trained history starting out as a veterinarian then becoming a combat medic then training as a surgeon both military and civilian then a GP the joke is if I get sick we go to the vet now my point is he has a very strong dislike for firearms and simply refuses to own any or have them in his house he wont oppose you having them just don't talk about them with him or bring them into his home or ask him to use one remember though this is a guy that was a frontline soldier and has patched up soldiers on the front oh and the enemy as well to him all wounded were wounded regardless of the uniform they wore Now this guy was basically harassed and ridiculed from an Australian forum because he didn't agree the attitude of pro gun bully members so that forum lost a treasure trove of information of animal care and medical advice and I am glad to say he is still though solid prepper and good friend of mine that constantly tells me he will turn my workshop into a field hospital if need be
4. Overall presentation and attitudes makes or breaks anything including prepping so if an interested individual asks a prepper about stuff and they go straight in for the big ticket items like the collapse of society and the violence that could follow such an event then yeah people either get frightened off or go buy a weapon mostly think preppers are weird and get frightened though
So basically what I am saying if you hear people say preppers are strange or weird just remember it was fellow preppers that help make that image so if a concerned neighbour ever asks you for some advice remember the following 1. Answer the direct question and only add any qualifying statements that are required to validate the information provided but that's it don't go off on a tangent 2. Do not mention religion , sexuality , race or any other stereotypical issues to prove or disprove a point unless it is directly relating to the question 3. Keep it simple,provide clear and precise information that is helpful, beneficial and on point 4. Use low key events as your baseline to establish a solid and engaging conversation the other person(s) can relate to on a personal level 5. Be the guy "THEY WANT TO BE" not the guy "THEY WANT YOU TO BE"don't be their stereotypical image of a prepper ever
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 6, 2017 9:27:33 GMT 10
Nice post Grumble.
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Post by grumble on Feb 6, 2017 12:06:05 GMT 10
Thanks Mozzie I lurk more than I post but when I do I try to make it worth while
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