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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 8:19:22 GMT 10
Any archers or bowhunters here? Given the NFR are always standing over us threatening us about what we can and cannot have as human beings in life, i wonder if anyone else is proficient with the bow or crossbow?
If anyone is interested in taking the sport up but doesnt know much about it, i have been a volunteer educator in the field of compound bow and hunting for many years and have fitted a lot of people up and taken them hunting etc, so yell out, be happy to offer what i can to get some more fellow archers going.
Btw. Its a lot of fun, and a great discipline and flinging arrows can be addictive too.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 4, 2016 9:08:09 GMT 10
I have a 30 lb recurve bow made by a friend of a friend over in WA. I would in no way call myself proficient.
I've only ever owned target arrows and only ever shot hay bales and cardboard boxes.
Is 30lb enough to hunt with? What sort of conciderations should be taken on hunting arrows... Seems a lot of options for hunting arrows.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 9:30:52 GMT 10
I have a 30 lb recurve bow made by a friend of a friend over in WA. I would in no way call myself proficient. I've only ever owned target arrows and only ever shot hay bales and cardboard boxes. Is 30lb enough to hunt with? What sort of conciderations should be taken on hunting arrows... Seems a lot of options for hunting arrows. 30lb is enough to hunt with for sure, however there are legal restrictions in the state of Vic at least on bow poundage. What some people dont realize is that it is called 'the bow' AND 'the arrow'. The arrow has as much if not more to do with the whole fit out. When it comes to an arrow, the first thing is the 'length' for your draw. You do not want to draw your bow with a short arrow and have it fall off the rest as you pull back and go through your hand or foot or end up dry firing your bow as it might break. So it needs to be of a good length to where it will not come off given the draw. The second thing is 'spine' rating. That is basically the amount of 'flex' the arrow material can handle. The 'spine' of the arrow MUST match the poundage as when an arrow is released from the draw it 'flexes' or bends continuously. Take a look at slo mo arrow shooting on youtube, it will blow your mind. If you have under spine on the arrow, the arrow could snap as the shooter releases and you can also take a look at 'arrow through the hand' pics of folk who have either shot underspined arrows or damaged arrows. This is why after every shot of an arrow that you 'flex test' the arrow. Simply grap it in two hand at both ends and give it a flex. Not too hard to snap it, but a decent amount. If there is a damage in that arrow shaft, you will break it in your hand, and be thankful it didnt break on release. You can download easton arrows chart online to match spine rating with poundage to check. There are also free calculators online to also check, but double check them. Thirdly, FOC or 'forward of center' that is the weight of the shaft and head up front. You want that arrow to always be front down. Four. The fletching and nock the string sits on. Fifth. The tip or broadhead your using. I purchase carbon shafts and construct them myself, as i know what i want to shoot and its fun and a lot cheaper. I generally shoot a heavier arrow (upwards of 500 grains) than many with a heavy FOC and a broadhead or blunt to suit the game im hunting. I shoot medium upwards game with a broadhead, if its a big animal i use only a two blade with a chiselled tip to crack the bone and pass through. For rabbits with a blunt as my bow can kill anything on the planet when the arrow is setup right so the arrow passes through small game and keeps going generally. A whiles back i put an arrow through the engine room of a fallow buck and it didnt even skip a beat as it went in one side and out the other. The awesome thing was, the deer had no clue what had just happened, it didnt know i was there and only heard a clink of the bow releasing the arrow. If you have a well set up arrow, you could kill a human being with little fuss with that 30lb bow, so be careful. Bowhunting is a challenge, but its a rush like not much else for me.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 9:37:10 GMT 10
Also, in respect to that arrow, remember the old movies of the archers shooting at an army. They had to obtain a lot of range and without getting into it some of the bows were 170#, however, it wasnt that which did the damage as quite often they would raise their bow to obtain the range of distance, but it was the arrows travelling down with its own force once the range had been obtained.
In the same way. If you stand beside someone with a 70# bow and your 30# and both shoot into the air, the arrow eventually must come down. Sure the larger poundage bow will give more distance if both arrows are the same, but the weight of the arrow given a good amount of height will be what does the damage.
Having said that, it isnt always the heaviest arrow that does it as how often would you hit an animal by aiming up into the air and hoping it hits the mark when it comes down? You are drawing on the animal and then assessing the height for the arrow to hit the target, so good FOC is first and then doing tests on the rest of the weight and amount of penetration you get on a target is important for good setup.
If you ever find a dead animal, set it up and practice on the animal to actually see how your setup stacks up. Its probably one of the best things you can do to find out what works.
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Post by shinester on Nov 4, 2016 10:21:28 GMT 10
Token's quite an accomplished bow hunter people.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 10:40:05 GMT 10
Token's quite an accomplished bow hunter people. i dunno about that, ive learnt how to get in on animals a lot more, and be proficient with hitting them, all in the name of meat of course.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 4, 2016 11:50:25 GMT 10
Thanks token.
So arrows can be too short but can they be too long?
Whats the deal with releasing aids, I always find myself with really sore fingers after an archery session. They a good idea or shouls I just practise more and HTFU?
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 13:52:37 GMT 10
Thanks token. So arrows can be too short but can they be too long? Whats the deal with releasing aids, I always find myself with really sore fingers after an archery session. They a good idea or shouls I just practise more and HTFU? Arrows being too long, technically if its a bit of overhang no not really. Just remember that if you change the arrow then your shooting and understanding of target distance, impact etc might go out, so youll need to sight in again with your eye/height or if you use a sight on the bow that will need tuning in again. Re release aids. Depends on your form for shooting. You can use cheap finger tabs which are a bit of leather and should help for finger shooters, you can also get a glove with leather over the fingers for shooting traditional. For compound you can get release aids that you can use with traditional gear also. Your fingers will get sore and should callous up if you shoot a lot. Considering prepping and end of the world, i suppose its best to have as little components as possible.
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Post by Morgo on Nov 4, 2016 15:52:26 GMT 10
I was a competitive archer awhile ago now, was never interested in hunting with a bow though. Still go out for a shot every so often but not as often as I'd like.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 16:03:08 GMT 10
I was a competitive archer awhile ago now, was never interested in hunting with a bow though. Still go out for a shot every so often but not as often as I'd like. cool, i placed second in a comp once with my hunting bow setup, i thought for sure i was going to be outdone by all the archers so lined up as a bit of fun, didnt expect to place. Otherwise, i got to the point where i could hit a moving rabbit at 70 yards with a compound bow, release aid and running sights. That isnt an easy thing to do considering they are point and shoot at objects standing still generally. It just goes to show, practice practice practice with anything will get you good. I generally practice shoot out to 100 yards to get my eye in on smaller targets such as rabbits. Could easily get 8 within a small dinner plate group with a hunting setup, and most even closer, no scope. What was your rig and setup?
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Post by Morgo on Nov 4, 2016 16:27:22 GMT 10
Shot a 40lb Hoyt compound bare bow.
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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 4, 2016 18:17:25 GMT 10
I've only shot a few times, but my wife is pretty good with a recurve (captain of her high school team for a couple years). We shot traditional long-bows when we were in Bhutan - that was an experience (I can shoot it VERY far). I've been wanting to buy a couple takedown recurve bows for a while now, but don't know if I'm buying quality or junk. I would like to get two bows and a couple dozen arrows in field points and broadheads. Any recommendations would be welcome.
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Post by Beno on Nov 4, 2016 18:46:56 GMT 10
www.archeryshop.com.authis is where im going when i get more organised. ill take a rifle over a bow any day but they are fun and have their place in my preps and are quiet. i was leaning towards a PSE compound kit. i dont want to go too far over $700-800. ive got a 55# recurve but it is a challenge to shoot. its a more instinctive bow rather then set, wait and release. i use a back tension release on my mates bow and i think it assists with good form. bowhunting is a whole new world.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 20:14:06 GMT 10
Shot a 40lb Hoyt compound bare bow. nice, Hoyt make very reputable bows thats for sure.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 20:39:00 GMT 10
I've only shot a few times, but my wife is pretty good with a recurve (captain of her high school team for a couple years). We shot traditional long-bows when we were in Bhutan - that was an experience (I can shoot it VERY far). I've been wanting to buy a couple takedown recurve bows for a while now, but don't know if I'm buying quality or junk. I would like to get two bows and a couple dozen arrows in field points and broadheads. Any recommendations would be welcome. Quality or junk i cannot assist you with im sorry as i have never owned one of these. I do own around a $3k fully setup compound though...dont tell my wife please...joke! she knows However, i really want a tactical travel bow that is all together but breaks down and sets up fast for a BOB. Sure i can get a nice take down recurve etc, but id prefer something with less bling, blacked out, solid but light enough, rugged and really good poundage thats simple for packing down and setting u fast. Here's a vid, check reviews and prices though.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 4, 2016 20:45:48 GMT 10
How often should you re-string a bow? I think I've had my recurve for about 7 years now and its been kept assembled a fair bit (which I was told was a no no by the guy who built it).
Would it be due for a new string?
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 21:05:16 GMT 10
How often should you re-string a bow? I think I've had my recurve for about 7 years now and its been kept assembled a fair bit (which I was told was a no no by the guy who built it). Would it be due for a new string? Dunno. You shouldn't leave them strung in general. It would be advised to have spare strings on hand regardless.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 4, 2016 21:05:36 GMT 10
Anyone want to explain the function of all those threads? Could I attach a sight to this bow and which ones would I use?
Also what's the thing that the arrow rests in called? looks like its getting a little worn and would like to put a new one on, anything to think about or they all the same?
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Post by Nighthawk on Nov 4, 2016 21:21:07 GMT 10
I have a very basic long bow which I've never shot and is probably not much good for anything. I did get a PSE Stinger compound a year or so ago but sold it when we hit a bit of a cash crisis. Would like to get something a bit more up market without going to that kind of extreme.
I went on a kids camp as an adult leader a couple of years back and archery was one of the activities on offer, and somehow I wound up overseeing it. Was a lot of fun and I got pretty good pretty fast, although we weren't shooting any great distances. Certainly something I would like to get into more though.
I do hunt, albeit with a rifle at the moment. I like the look of that SAS Tactical Survival bow though.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 21:58:14 GMT 10
Anyone want to explain the function of all those threads? Could I attach a sight to this bow and which ones would I use?
Also what's the thing that the arrow rests in called? looks like its getting a little worn and would like to put a new one on, anything to think about or they all the same?
What threads para? Also, i cant tell on the pics but does the riser have any holes in it to affix a sight? In general just type into ebay 'recurve arrow rest', take a look at some vids on youtube for what might be the better options as i dont have a lot to report and many of my trad bowhunter friends were die hard on not as many components and really simple, yet they could take down big game well.
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