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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 19, 2017 10:42:09 GMT 10
I've been inside a shedfire with rounds cooking off inside a safe and a thin metal toolbox. No rounds exited either. I mainly ignored it as there was much higher priorities.
Not saying it's evidence based. Just saying that's the arbitrary line which they drew.
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 19, 2017 11:08:12 GMT 10
Worksafe already has max ammo at one location. Assume this can be exceeded but not sure if exceeding it requires DG licensing or a worksafe inspection with extinguishers, special storage lockers etc. I don't think there is any limit on the amount of loaded ammo at home, there is for powder though. Check with your state based explosives licencing board. They are the ones who will know. In QLD there is as Joey has said an amount of powder you can store before you need signage. There is an amount of ammo you can store before you need signage. In QLD its 10k worth of live ammo. This also covers primers as the QLD DNRM looks at them as the same thing "Ammunition". Here are links to the relevant QLD Act and Regulations www.legislation.qld.gov.au/legisltn/current/e/explosivesa99.pdfwww.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/E/ExplosivesR03.pdfIf you store your ammunition IAW the relevant acts and regs you won't have a problem. Here is a link to easy answers on storing ammo if you don'y won't to read the above. www.qld.gov.au/emergency/safety/explosives-fireworks/explosives/storing-ammunition.html |
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Post by Morgo on Feb 19, 2017 11:27:53 GMT 10
In NSW, there is I believe a 12 kg of propellant powder limit.
There is no limit on the max amount of loaded ammo that I have ever been able to find.
The 10K limit in QLD must get broken a lot, especially if they count primers, I buy them by that amount and .22LR by a min of 5k
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Post by mozzie101 on Feb 19, 2017 12:20:00 GMT 10
In NSW, there is I believe a 12 kg of propellant powder limit. There is no limit on the max amount of loaded ammo that I have ever been able to find. The 10K limit in QLD must get broken a lot, especially if they count primers, I buy them by that amount and .22LR by a min of 5k Its not a limit. Its a point when the amount you hold then needs to be placarded with a hazard diamond. You can have as much as you like providing it is placarded. Probably the same in other states too. But don't take my word for it look up the relevant explosive regulator in your state. |
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Post by tyburn on Feb 19, 2017 23:46:49 GMT 10
In NSW, there is I believe a 12 kg of propellant powder limit. There is no limit on the max amount of loaded ammo that I have ever been able to find. The 10K limit in QLD must get broken a lot, especially if they count primers, I buy them by that amount and .22LR by a min of 5k Its not a limit. Its a point when the amount you hold then needs to be placarded with a hazard diamond. You can have as much as you like providing it is placarded. Probably the same in other states too. But don't take my word for it look up the relevant explosive regulator in your state. Nice of plod to require you to signpost where your powder is kept for thieves. Was recently reading that a lot of farmers and people in isolated houses (in WA) don't actaully keep their firearms in the mandatory safes, rather hiding them around the house -- the safes are hard to hide and are easy to open with basic tools like an angle grinder. |
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Post by shinester on Feb 20, 2017 0:37:19 GMT 10
^ breaking the law.... though it makes much more sense, I'm certain most of the laws in this area don't follow reason.
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 20, 2017 20:02:27 GMT 10
7. Jurisdictions will restrict the importation, possession and use of handguns for sporting
purposes to individuals meeting recognised sporting shooter classifications in the Olympic
and Commonwealth Games and for other accredited events that meet the conditions in
paragraph 14(c)).
10. Personal protection is not a genuine reason for acquiring, possessing or using a firearm
14. Sports shooters – handguns
(a) Sports shooters must have a valid membership with an approved club.
(b) Firearms permitted for acquisition, possession or use under this genuine reason are:
i. Category H – the firearm must be designed or adapted for competition target
shooting, or must have a barrel length of at least 120mm for a semi-automatic
handgun or 100mm for a revolver or a single shot handgun. If the firearm is
fitted with a firearm magazine or cylinder, it must have a capacity of not more
than 10 rounds. The calibre of the firearm must not exceed .38” (with the
exception of cases listed under paragraph 14(c)).
(c) Handguns with a calibre greater than .38” but no greater than .45” are permitted
only where shooters are competing in the two accredited events known as Metallic
Silhouette and Single (Western) Action.
26. Licence Category B
(a) Muzzle-loading firearms
(b) Single shot, double barrel and repeating centrefire rifles
(c) Centrefire rifle/shotgun combinations
(d) Lever action shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds
28. Licence Category D
(a) Semi-automatic centrefire rifles designed or adapted for military purposes or a
firearm which substantially duplicates those rifles in design, function or appearance
43. Jurisdictions agree that the issuing of a permit must be subject to a waiting period of at
least 28 days to enable appropriate checks to be made on licensees in order to ascertain
whether circumstances have occurred since the issuing of the original licence which would
render the licensee unsuitable to possess the firearm or which would render the licensee
ineligible for that type of firearm.
54. Jurisdictions will legislate to allow the sale of ammunition only for those firearms for which
the purchaser is licenced, and impose limits on the quantity of ammunition that may be
purchased in a given period.
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 20, 2017 20:37:14 GMT 10
And 5. The Commonwealth will restrict the importation of:
(a) all semi-automatic long arms and pump action shotguns, and all partsincluding
magazinesfor such firearms, included in Licence Categories C and D
(b) magazines with a capacity greater than thirty for long arms and magazines with a
capacity greater than twenty for handguns
(c) all handguns for sporting shooting purposes other than those which meet the
prescribed characteristicsincluding barrel length, magazine capacity and
calibrein paragraph 14(b)(i)
(d) handgun parts for sport shooting purposes (for example slides, barrels, receivers
and frames) which could be used to assemble a prohibited handgun or convert a
permitted handgun into a prohibited handgun.
Last part, any handgun that has a magazine designed for it that fits more than 10 rounds could be used to assemble a prohibited handgun, so revolvers only
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Post by graynomad on Feb 20, 2017 22:12:10 GMT 10
Last part, any handgun that has a magazine designed for it that fits more than 10 rounds could be used to assemble a prohibited handgun, so revolvers only Might be a problem with BX25 mags for the Ruger Charger. |
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 20, 2017 22:18:40 GMT 10
Might be a problem for literally every semi auto handgun, as nearly every single one has magazines available which are above 10rounds
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Post by graynomad on Feb 20, 2017 22:29:30 GMT 10
26. Licence Category B (a) Muzzle-loading firearms (b) Single shot, double barrel and repeating centrefire rifles (c) Centrefire rifle/shotgun combinations (d) Lever action shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds .... 54. Jurisdictions will legislate to allow the sale of ammunition only for those firearms for which the purchaser is licenced, and impose limits on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period. 6+ capacity lever shotties to cat B, no surprise there, and not a big deal IMO although those with an early Adler may object. As for the ammo matching your guns, that can be a drag but for me personally not a big deal. Of course these things might be the thin end of a more draconian wedge and they should be fought. At this point it's looking better for LAFOs in QLD I think. |
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Post by graynomad on Feb 20, 2017 22:30:17 GMT 10
Might be a problem for literally every semi auto handgun, as nearly every single one has magazines available which are above 10rounds True. |
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Post by Joey on Feb 21, 2017 7:39:29 GMT 10
Well, better join up to the SFFP and so you can join the hard fight. Letters and emails just fall on deaf ears and get a reply from a junior staffer.
SFFP in Qld, now has a new committee that is already moving forward starting with discussions with SUQ on their 2nd day.
We still need members to make the magic number so we can be registered for the upcoming Qld election.
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 21, 2017 9:21:31 GMT 10
SFFFP have a dodgy track record and have thrown shooters under the bus before.
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Post by Joey on Feb 21, 2017 10:19:44 GMT 10
Not with the new committee in Qld elected just this weekend at the EGM in Brissy.
I'm on the committee, so myself and the chairman have vowed to not let what has happened in the past in Qld happen again.
It's all fresh blood running the show now, so no more of the old "boys club"
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 21, 2017 11:05:45 GMT 10
I'll take back what I said then abs reserve judgement fir the time being
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Post by Joey on Feb 21, 2017 11:51:32 GMT 10
Fair enough, I hope you will be pleased with what comes soon for Qld SFFP.  |
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Post by shinester on Feb 21, 2017 18:10:20 GMT 10
"ammunition only for those firearms for which the purchaser is licenced"
I read that as
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Cat A = 12 gauge/.22
Cat B = just about everything else, except some handgun calibers [.357/.44 no issues since rifle available
Cat H = handgun type rounds only.
So I could borrow a mates gun 7615 and grab some .556 ammo, despite not owning a 7615. I thought it was like that already in Vic and I have all of those Categories.
SSAA Are feckless, been blackmailed by wanting to keep their ranges open, they really don't go for what we want at all, they play it waaaaay too safe instead of playing politics and using the weight of numbers of members against political interests, aka blackmailing back.
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Post by thereth on Feb 21, 2017 20:26:17 GMT 10
in WA we can obly buy ammunition for calibres that we own.
Also i am 99% sure borrowing a firearm is a massive no-no here as, according to wapol, you are technically carrying a firearm you arent registered for without the owner within proximity.
however one caveat (which has come in handy) is that if you email a copy of your licence you can get someone else to pick up ammunition on your behalf, as long as they have a letter from you stating thats what they are doing and including your licence details etc.
All these laws the other states are worried about getting we have had for a long time, aside from the cat h being only for olympic sports obviously
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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 21, 2017 21:37:50 GMT 10
ssaavic.com.au/assets/uploads/2016/08/submission_Final.pdfSome interesting views from the final submission draft:The firearms industry and recreational shooting organisations believe that policies related to firearms ownership and usage must be based on data and facts rather than intuition, speculation, prejudice or ideology. The linking of the firearms of licensed shooters with terrorism and community safety must be proved, not asserted and the facts and data relied on to draw these links must be revealed. ‘to make sure that the illegal weapons that are on our streets and used for criminal purposes are taken out of circulation….We are tackling the criminal use of firearms instead of focusing on those who practise traditional activities and obey the law.’ One of the consequences of the lack of transparency in Australia is that the cost of maintaining firearms registries in Australia is not known. Estimates vary from $27 million to $100 million annually. Whatever the cost is, a significant sum of money and tens of thousands of policing man hours are spent in Australia unnecessarily registering long arms and collecting irrelevant data. This money should be re-directed to initiatives which are more likely to reduce the levels of gun-related crime and violence. Firearm licenses issued by a state or territory should be recognized by the other states and territories in the same way that drivers’ licenses are accepted by all state and territory governments.
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