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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 23, 2017 7:01:29 GMT 10
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Post by Morgo on Apr 23, 2017 11:26:33 GMT 10
So is the world just going to sit by and let this nutter continue or are we finally going to do something about it? It should have been handled years ago before they became a threat with nukes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 13:22:36 GMT 10
Morgo You seem to forget that we did not win the Korean war!
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Post by Morgo on Apr 23, 2017 13:33:25 GMT 10
We did not lose either, the war is not over.
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Post by tails on Apr 23, 2017 16:36:13 GMT 10
It will be interesting to see what Super Don does...
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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 23, 2017 19:27:35 GMT 10
NK can't even afford new uniforms, let alone reach Australia with any bombs!!! Hell, their Army uniforms are Soviet era!!
Lot's of sabre rattling - but will Trump put up or back down???
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Post by Peter on Apr 23, 2017 19:40:43 GMT 10
NK can't even afford new uniforms, let alone reach Australia with any bombs!!! Hell, their Army uniforms are Soviet era!! Lot's of sabre rattling - but will Trump put up or back down??? I doubt he'll back down, or the media will have a field day against him. I'm personally surprised that Kim Jong-il hasn't been assassinated yet, either from foes within or externally. |
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Post by shinester on Apr 24, 2017 2:41:50 GMT 10
So basically another country has carte blanche, aka can ethically respond in any way they chose. They can't hit Australia with missiles and they would be lucky to have more than a few low yield nuclear weapons. Time for the world to do something together about this nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 12:24:15 GMT 10
China borders North Korea and the sentiments that the USA have expressed over the past six months about China have not been lost on the Chinese I can assure you. It is one thing to suspend certain trade deals, it is a whole other matter to standby and do nothing while your neighbor is bombed with nuclear weapons.
If the USA violates Nth Korean territorial waters and the set off an exchange, you can hardly blame a country attempting to stand up to bullying.
The smart thing to do is to let nature take its course as Peter alluded too.
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Post by fei on Apr 24, 2017 15:15:09 GMT 10
NK can't even afford new uniforms, let alone reach Australia with any bombs!!! Hell, their Army uniforms are Soviet era!! Lot's of sabre rattling - but will Trump put up or back down??? I doubt he'll back down, or the media will have a field day against him. I'm personally surprised that Kim Jong-il hasn't been assassinated yet, either from foes within or externally. Kim's knocked off most of his internal opponents (usually in very nasty ways). Supposedly Kim's nephew (son of the brother he had killed a couple of months ago) is under strict Chinese protection in Beijing. Theory was that his father was being "looked after" by the Chinese, ready to replace Kim if he ever needed removal and a friendly family member put in place, however they had let down their guard after years of no assassination attempts. He also had his uncle, who was close to the Chinese and had been implementing Chinese-style capitalism, knocked off a couple of years ago in order to show who is boss. Then again, there is plenty of speculation that he is only going down the provocation road now due to having to continually show that he is firmly in charge and stop the military from getting any ideas about a coup. Interesting times indeed. |
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Post by Peter on Apr 24, 2017 21:34:58 GMT 10
Yep, he's got a very dark side in the way he deals with those who pose a threat.
I was thinking more along the lines of a hit by foreign special forces, someone on the inside being offered payment and immunity by a foreign power, something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 22:37:39 GMT 10
All this has got me wondering just where in Oz would you target if you were intent on making a statement. Assuming a limited nuclear strike just what would be the best target(s)
Living in WA I have always been of the opinion that why would anyone bother about nuking Perth but when I think about it a bit more seriously I start to think that maybe the remoteness and irrelevance of Perth to the rest of Oz makes it a perfect target.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 22:50:57 GMT 10
Jaffa North Korea so far has only managed to get a missiles to travel 350km, so I think we are reasonably safe. Our northern areas are at slightly more risk than down south. But that said we do make a safe target in that Kim does not have to worry about Australia retaliating with an atomic bomb, unless we borrow one from somewhere.
There are getting to be quite a few false news reports being posted else where. Certainly we need to keep our eyes on the developments.
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Post by ml8300 on Apr 25, 2017 23:12:36 GMT 10
Has anyone prepped for a nuclear attack? Not at ground zero but at a distance where you have survived the blast, but now affected fall out.
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Post by blueshoes on Apr 25, 2017 23:23:13 GMT 10
All this has got me wondering just where in Oz would you target if you were intent on making a statement. Assuming a limited nuclear strike just what would be the best target(s) Living in WA I have always been of the opinion that why would anyone bother about nuking Perth but when I think about it a bit more seriously I start to think that maybe the remoteness and irrelevance of Perth to the rest of Oz makes it a perfect target. Going by history I would guess Darwin? |
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Post by blueshoes on Apr 25, 2017 23:33:27 GMT 10
Has anyone prepped for a nuclear attack? Not at ground zero but at a distance where you have survived the blast, but now affected fall out. No, because I don't have any reasonable explanations for why I would have iodine, nuclear radiation detection or mitigation gear other than being paranoid. Food, Water, camping gear, first aid, privacy, normal urban self defence... sure. I have no trouble explaining those in normal terms. But anti-radiation tablets, a nuclear bunker or full PPE isn't going to happen unless it becomes an obvious-to-blind-freddy prospect in the very near future. |
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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 26, 2017 0:23:09 GMT 10
Jaffa North Korea so far has only managed to get a missiles to travel 350km, so I think we are reasonably safe. Our northern areas are at slightly more risk than down south. But that said we do make a safe target in that Kim does not have to worry about Australia retaliating with an atomic bomb, unless we borrow one from somewhere. There are getting to be quite a few false news reports being posted else where. Certainly we need to keep our eyes on the developments. Australia might not have a nuclear arsenal, but the US keeps a nuclear arsenal in Australia. Many of the bases are co-located, so I'm betting that the US would view an attack on Australia very similar to an attack to the US directly. Most reports suggest that North Korea have at least 4 missiles capable of 1,000-3,500 km range. |
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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 26, 2017 0:27:23 GMT 10
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17399847Good overview of North Korea's missiles as well as the two ICBs under development. Whether they have the technology to adapt their nuclear weapons to an ICB warhead is another matter all together.
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Post by token on Apr 26, 2017 8:03:10 GMT 10
I think someone dropping a nuk could be very possible and i dont think that should be classed as 'paranoia' , after all, take a look at what is happening right now for instance. Trump isnt backing down and NK is flexing muscle, are either of them bluffing? i dont think so.
My concern here is that someone else like China or Russia might intervene against the US, and this means the US have to ensure they have all their ally's seriously on board and China and Russia knowing it to hold them back from a possible attack, otherwise its WW3.
I do not have any doubt either that if NK do indeed have Nuk capability they will use it. The other thing that comes to mind is if Russia and China etc do not weight in openly, i wonder whether the might secretly funnel a nuk to NK to attack the US? Dunno.
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Post by blueshoes on Apr 26, 2017 11:44:33 GMT 10
I think someone dropping a nuk could be very possible and i dont think that should be classed as 'paranoia' , after all, take a look at what is happening right now for instance. I agree with you, and if a few things were different (no work, relationships, space) I would be doing more about it. My point was that I am in a position of needing to justify buying and storing things in non-preparedness terms, which is harder to do for nuc risks. I don't think you have the same restrictions. If you can think of double-duty 'normal' explanations for nuc mitigation measures it would help me and probably others...  |
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