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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 26, 2017 14:05:28 GMT 10
I think someone dropping a nuk could be very possible and i dont think that should be classed as 'paranoia' , after all, take a look at what is happening right now for instance. Trump isnt backing down and NK is flexing muscle, are either of them bluffing? i dont think so. My concern here is that someone else like China or Russia might intervene against the US, and this means the US have to ensure they have all their ally's seriously on board and China and Russia knowing it to hold them back from a possible attack, otherwise its WW3. I do not have any doubt either that if NK do indeed have Nuk capability they will use it. The other thing that comes to mind is if Russia and China etc do not weight in openly, i wonder whether the might secretly funnel a nuk to NK to attack the US? Dunno. China owns over a trillion dollars of US debt and there is a massive trade deficit with the US (the US imports $463 Billion from China and only exports $116 Billion). www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355www.thebalance.com/u-s-china-trade-deficit-causes-effects-and-solutions-3306277 From an economical standpoint, China's interests and the US's interests are similarly aligned. I think it is much more likely that China will be an ally if something were to start with North Korea or Russia. That said, where the US and China relationship gets shaky is where Japan is involved - you've seen this already in the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea. |
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Post by shinester on Apr 26, 2017 14:16:40 GMT 10
Things are heating up on NK, worth keeping an eye on though I'm not particularly concerned about a global catastrophe from it. NK is fairly universally despised now, even the Chinese seem to be done with them.
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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 26, 2017 21:49:45 GMT 10
Maybe if they bombed SA's power network, we could get a decent one re built!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 10:58:16 GMT 10
Hi all
Just an observation in the interests of situational awareness, Mr Trump has done an about face on his trade agreements his morning, straight after meeting with his military advisors and congress yesterday. One could read into that he may have had a fairly serious reality check, in which case I think a De-escalation may be the next move.
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Post by graynomad on Apr 28, 2017 12:18:12 GMT 10
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Post by ygidorp on Apr 28, 2017 12:28:41 GMT 10
That is just so much gold!
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Post by ml8300 on Apr 29, 2017 1:22:23 GMT 10
The thing I'm more concerned about is there lack of nipples
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Post by spatial on Apr 29, 2017 16:42:43 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Apr 29, 2017 19:45:15 GMT 10
The thing I'm more concerned about is there lack of nipples I'm concerned about you looking that closely...  |
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Post by fei on May 5, 2017 15:47:11 GMT 10
NK is now having a go at China for supporting the UN sanctions. I'm sure nothing much will come of it, unless China stops the flow of fuel to NK, which could end up rather nasty.
Looks like NK will do another nuclear test sometime in May, so may well see more sanctions or even US bombing of nuke facilities (which would be very bad for South Korea, even if NK retaliates with conventional arms). SK also has an election in teh next few weeks, with the probable winner opposed to greater US intervention, so chances are there will be fallout (hopefully not nuclear) between the Yanks and South Koreans, let alone whatever NK decides to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 10:07:34 GMT 10
In the interests of situational awareness,
I understand Nth Korea has tested a new missile that has flown over 700 miles, and the USA has deployed a nuclear submarine to join the fleet it has on exercises in the South China sea.
Keeping in mind the USA has vowed to stop the development of a missile by Nth Korea that could strike the USA, and the newest one launched by Nth Korea could have hit Hawaii. We are now in a position of wondering if the USA was only bluffing!
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Post by blueshoes on May 15, 2017 14:15:54 GMT 10
Has anyone prepped for a nuclear attack? Not at ground zero but at a distance where you have survived the blast, but now affected fall out. No, because I don't have any reasonable explanations for why I would have iodine, nuclear radiation detection or mitigation gear other than being paranoid. Food, Water, camping gear, first aid, privacy, normal urban self defence... sure. I have no trouble explaining those in normal terms. But anti-radiation tablets, a nuclear bunker or full PPE isn't going to happen unless it becomes an obvious-to-blind-freddy prospect in the very near future. I would like to publicly apologise to ml8300 for my asinine response to his (very good) question. I have been doing my homework out of curiosity and discovered that A) In a pinch, topical Betadine can be used in place of Potassium Iodide tablets to inhibit radioactive iodine absorbtion. B) It doesn't cost anything to learn and teach others to Duck and Cover but it can absolutely save your life C) Bookshelves full of books provide some horizontal shelter from fallout radiation. Not ideal, but I have no trouble talking my way into more books. A concrete bunker would be better but it isn't going to happen D) If you have to move / evacuate two days after the blast when the worst of the radiation has worn off, disposable ponchos and n95 masks will help keep black rain / fallout dust off you and prevent surface burns from contact. I have those for other reasons too So technically... guess I have to eat my words |
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Post by Peter on May 15, 2017 23:08:22 GMT 10
I respect your humility. Thank you.
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Post by token on May 16, 2017 7:29:25 GMT 10
I think someone dropping a nuk could be very possible and i dont think that should be classed as 'paranoia' , after all, take a look at what is happening right now for instance. I agree with you, and if a few things were different (no work, relationships, space) I would be doing more about it. My point was that I am in a position of needing to justify buying and storing things in non-preparedness terms, which is harder to do for nuc risks. I don't think you have the same restrictions. If you can think of double-duty 'normal' explanations for nuc mitigation measures it would help me and probably others...  Blue, tbh i really havent looked this stuff up...although i probably should. Judging by your last post since, you have been though, and have some of your answers, well done, and thanks for the info, hopefully we never need to apply it ( shudder) |
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Post by remnantprep on May 16, 2017 8:02:21 GMT 10
If you are going to be in a shelter for a few days, I have heard the recommended time is about 2 weeks unless as you say you are evacuated, you may want to think of an entertainment kit and a battery operated clock. I watched a show about how boredom in a low stimulus situation can cause brain function to be reduced. Especially iif you are in a shelter where there is no day light your circadian rhythm will be out of wack and depression can set it rather quickly as well as confusion so a clock will help with your sense of time and when you need to eat. Of course have your food and water and medical items etc just add some entertainment stuff like books cards note paper and pens etc If you are going to find yourself alone in a shelter then a battery and crank operated radio with a USB slot is a good idea. Load audio books and lectures onto USB and you will have the sound of another Human Voice.
You can just tell others your kit is in case of blackout. While we may already have an entertainment kit set up it is good to know how very important it is to our survival both physically and mentally.
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Post by Joey on May 16, 2017 22:02:34 GMT 10
Speaking of NK, they are saying that it looks like this current wave of cyber attacks across the world originated in NK
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Post by Peter on May 16, 2017 22:07:37 GMT 10
Speaking of NK, they are saying that it looks like this current wave of cyber attacks across the world originated in NK Yet again, we'll never know the truth. If Israel was conducting nuclear tests, it'd be their fault. If the penguins in Antarctica had pissed off the media, they'd suddenly be the most feared hackers in the world. |
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Post by ml8300 on May 17, 2017 22:27:56 GMT 10
Speaking of NK, they are saying that it looks like this current wave of cyber attacks across the world originated in NK Yet again, we'll never know the truth. If Israel was conducting nuclear tests, it'd be their fault. If the penguins in Antarctica had pissed off the media, they'd suddenly be the most feared hackers in the world. DON'T MENTION THE PENGUINS, THEY SEE AND HEAR EVERYTHING. |
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Post by remnantprep on May 18, 2017 9:25:27 GMT 10
Yeah our penguin overlords would not be happy.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 10:08:22 GMT 10
After the latest problems Mr Trump has run into, he will be desperate for a distraction big enough to move attention away from things.
If we experience fall out it will happen around half an hour or longer after the initial blast. Most of the radio active fall out has a half life of only a couple of weeks, and that fall out is in the form of dust, and it is what you must protect yourself from....the recommendation is a minimum of a meter of soil between you and the fall out, but any protection is better than none. Once in your shelter if fall out has occurred, the main focus should be keeping that dust out so it is not carried in on foot wear or clothing etc. If you do not have radiation detection instruments, use two weeks as the minimum time to be sheltered before you go out unless you hear other wise. If you do have a geiger counter the maximum continuous exposure that is safe is 5.7uS/hr. Radiation is cumulative so you can be exposed to higher amounts of radiation for longer times but you would need then to spend the majority of you time at lower levels, so the average is not above 5.7uS/hr. If exposure to radiation was 3000mS or higher death will be inevitable within 1 to 28 days.
If you don't have a shelter and want to make one, consider sand bags and attempt to put as much mass between you and the fall out as possible. As with any SHTF even expect the phone service to be useless, and the utility services to be off for months.
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