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Post by Ausprep on Jan 23, 2014 20:02:56 GMT 10
Source: momwithaprep.com/10-reasons-prepared/10. It takes up too much space. You have a small house or not enough storage. So..think up, think under, think over. Use some fun organizational things you find on Pinterest, put them to work, and make some room! Do you have 50 pairs of shoes? Really? Get rid of 20 and make some storage space for extra food, water, blankets and more! 9. Beans and Spam are yucky. Well, I totally agree with you there. But find other forms of protein like quinoa, canned meats, and hummus (yes, technically made of beans but it tastes much better after you’ve spiced it up). 8. It costs too much money. By adding just $5 or $10 a week to your grocery budget to stock up on, it won’t take long to get to a full pantry for 3 months. You can also barter, sell off some of those shoes from #10 and fund some camping gear. Drop a monthly expense you aren’t really using anyway. You CAN find a way to come up with a few extra dollars every week to make this work. 7. My friends and family will think I’m weird. (shh..they already do!) Didn’t you know it’s kinda hip to be prepared now? Having a 72 hour pack ready, and some water set aside is all the rage. Besides, I’m not asking you to go build a bunker in the American Redoubt and hole yourself up with 50 cases of MRE’s and enough ammo to take out an invading army. What I am asking is that you make sure that you and your family have enough prepared to be able to sustain yourselves for up to a week (more is much much better, but small steps are good) with food, water, shelter, clothing and personal documentation so that you don’t HAVE to be reliant on someone else if you can. Besides, who said that you have to tell your friends and family? 6. You only eat organics. So, stockpile organics. You can get all the organics you already use and put them away for a rainy day. Dehydrate vegetables that you’ve sourced locally or grown yourself, can them, and make them work for long-term. 5. You’re a vegetarian. Again, can, dehydrate, dry can, make it work for you. It’s really easy to dehydrate even things like raw-food crackers then dry can them to make them last. You CAN be prepared, even on a vegetarian diet. 4. Nothing bad happens to us in this area. Nothing bad at all, huh? Have you ever lost your job? Has someone gone onto long-term disability for an illness. Has a plant that makes harmful chemicals blown up and ruined half your town? Has a chemical plant allowed thousands of gallons of a harmful chemical to leak into the local water supply? Has there ever been a weather event in your area that kept you indoors for a few days? 3. You live close to a nuclear facility and will die in a first strike, anyway. Well, that is a defeatist attitude, and one I used to have if I’m honest. But being prepared is about more than just a global thermonuclear war. It’s about being prepared for the small ways our lives can change as well as the big ones. 2. Zombies aren’t real. 1. It’s okay – the government will step in and take care of everything. And I’m sure residents of New Jersey and New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf coast, West, Texas and other numerous areas of disaster can tell you the government swoops in and makes everything all better just after 24 hours, and everyone lives happily ever after (said no one ever). Not that the government doesn’t have the ability to come and help rescue, but they can’t possibly do it all, they can’t possibly do it quickly enough for your comfort, nor should you rely on someone else to take care of your family! You are responsible, to the best of your ability, to make sure they are as safe and sound as you can possibly get them.
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Post by wolfstar on Jan 23, 2014 22:14:02 GMT 10
1. It’s okay – the government will step in and take care of everything. And I’m sure residents of New Jersey and New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf coast, West, Texas and other numerous areas of disaster can tell you the government swoops in and makes everything all better just after 24 hours, and everyone lives happily ever after (said no one ever). Not that the government doesn’t have the ability to come and help rescue, but they can’t possibly do it all, they can’t possibly do it quickly enough for your comfort, nor should you rely on someone else to take care of your family! You are responsible, to the best of your ability, to make sure they are as safe and sound as you can possibly get them. this is the most common one i hear. they are what i consider related to item 2, i call them zombies (well think, they need braaaiiiins )
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Post by shinester on Feb 4, 2014 8:02:23 GMT 10
Source: momwithaprep.com/10-reasons-prepared/10. It takes up too much space. You have a small house or not enough storage. So..think up, think under, think over. Use some fun organizational things you find on Pinterest, put them to work, and make some room! Do you have 50 pairs of shoes? Really? Get rid of 20 and make some storage space for extra food, water, blankets and more! Under house, buried in backyard, in roof, in storage container. I don't have things lying around the house as I don't want people visiting thinking I'm a prepper for reasons of OpSec and you can keep the shoes. If you've ever been truly hungry, food, ANY food suddenly tastes great. Storing cheap very long lasting foods are easy to enjoy, talk to your parents sometimes they went hungry. Besides I can make you mild chilly beans that will knock your socks off from those supposed yucky beans. Foods don't have to be boring, it's more about how they are prepared. Yeah it costs 1.80/day/person for food that lasts for around 20 years. Alternatively you can use normal foods that you eat and just buy more today and use them in your usual meals costing you no more over the long run. The rest of the preps are mostly a once buy and are handy to have or are enjoyable. Prepping helps you not waste money too and save. I buy things on special [getting about 2 months worth] and keep a good supply of them in the panty sometimes paying half the price. I've also kept my spending outside of prepping down not wasting it on crap ever since I started. I'm also working on having a fairly low maintenance and low cost vegetable garden so I have many of the vegetables I want fresh any time I want them. Based on my budget in this area, once I've set up, I'll save about $1500+/year. I sure don't tell my friends and family, though I do nudge them in the right direction and teach them skills [shooting] that would be helpful. Also learning to grow your own is part of being prepared and self sufficient. My stores are 95% vegetarian already with my meat stocks going to be thrown out in a few years and then it will be 100%. I eat meat, but vegetarian stores last longer. I'm also working on my knowledge to keep and butcher rabbits/chickens as a meat source Yep, nothing has happened to you. I've been through some tough times, have had a couple of weeks with little to eat and know what it's like and they weren't that bad at all. I'm betting on nothing ever happening to me and I'm also working towards not 'having' to rely on others if something happened, I call that independence. Are you independent or a slave to the supermarket and systems already in place? I moved away from the most realistic target though I think the chances of all out nuclear war these days to be very low, especially compared to growing up in the 80s. Neither are vampires or werewolves. The point is people who are scared, who are hungry, or perhaps see a way to change their power, metaphorically might act like Vlad the impaler, might act like zombies etc. Bahahahah.. Oh sorry I think that's incredibly funny. I remember being chased by 6 guys armed with bottles having taken no action against any of them, and whilst I would have liked the police to turn up in the few minutes of my escape, I was under no illusions that I was on my own. I was on a 'very' popular street at 9.30pm, people eating dinner in the street, called out to people to call the police and generally wished I was either a/. suitably armed or b/. suitably befriended as my life 'was' in danger. When we look at the emergency supplies and what actually happens in disasters locally we see that whilst the government has some resources, anything with scale or volume proves very quickly how little they can do. Besides YOU are responsible for your life, stop being a baby.
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 4, 2014 14:03:54 GMT 10
10 is a cop out... it don't take much space at all to store a few weeks worth of extra food....
9 ok... so you don't like beans and spam... well neither do I, what do you like?? soup?? veggies?? well this is a nice rice dish!!
8 it dose cost a lot of cash.... or dose it?? what pricing have you sourced??? what have you looked at??? firearms... yes expensive... but outside guns I can purchase equipment (high quality) for no more than $120... a item (I have a $200 knife on my wish list).. that's expensive stuff, but what do you own now?? oh you own a leatherman.... a first aid kit?? there is not that much extra gear a prepper really has compared to a average person... food wise, shop weekly, omg less fuel expense to shopping daily, well buy a pack of water when it looks cheap, or some extra canned food.... and how much did you spend on beer last week???
7. how do they find out?? opsec my friend opsec
6. your starving organics aren't going to make a difference, oh your one of those... and your worried about number 7.... (think freak)
5. refer to 6,
4. well remember the Brisbane floods, they said the same thing.... do you enjoy waiting in a line for a day to get a cup of rice and a bottle of water?? will you be pissed off??
3. good luck with that...
2. really?? look at the disasters in 3rd world countries, no sleep, no food, no meds, no water, gather in mass, yep they don't look like zombies
1. even the government requests you have 3 days worth of supplies, (pick a disaster agency any western one...) you think it's a number pulled out of their arse?? it's what they believe is a acceptable time to get relief sorted...
extra argument, cyclone threat at Townsville, no supplies on the shelves, mad rush from locals to get what's left, the corner store has a 200% mark up on already high prices for suckers like you
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Post by shinester on Feb 5, 2014 7:02:47 GMT 10
1. even the government requests you have 3 days worth of supplies, (pick a disaster agency any western one...) you think it's a number pulled out of their arse?? it's what they believe is a acceptable time to get relief sorted... Surprisingly they do say 2 weeks, though I've NEVER heard any politician actually encourage anyone. Its probably there to say, oh look, we did say put away 2 weeks
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 5, 2014 13:52:59 GMT 10
ses screamed 3 days last I read one of their pamphlets
fema have started screaming 3 days also
if they have shifted to 2 weeks, it needs to be advertised more, a lot more every storm/fire season
but for disaster relief, 3 days is quite acceptable for sheeple, (and for the fight for the sheeple friends we don't wanna see get screwed over) 3 days isn't enough but a easy start point (and with our disaster history) aid is normally established in that time frame... so without looking like a hard core prepper, you can get heaps of materials from the ses on the matter with a phone call (I have worked beside the ses and they still have those guides)
just think of it as another tool to help out the unprepared friend/love ones to get a good start in the ongoing war in not looking insane
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Post by shinester on Feb 5, 2014 17:15:43 GMT 10
Well it's from www.em.gov.au though I can't find a linky on their site, so perhaps it's just someone with a clue putting it up there [no official or government type look, so who knows]
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 5, 2014 17:39:22 GMT 10
2 weeks is a lot better than 3 days...
but to convince the sheeple that use every excuse under the sun to not prepare... the ses are dead on the money to attempt to buy some setup time...
let's say for argument sake (I know gone off topic) all high risk areas have a 3 day kit, and the government gives the advice 2 weeks is better, (publicly) it's the best campaign that all au ems will stand by, but the ses struggles to get people prepared for 3 days :/ (it's just not that popular to ask the Australian people to give 3 days worth of setup time so ems can.concentrate on important issues before deciding what to do about food and water) and ems can do a lot in 72 hours... a lot...
but there needs to be a bigger advertising campaign (the rfs be prepared for bushfires is a success, a lot of fire plans have been made, but they never follow through...)
its just a short coming in our society and a massive weakness... people care more about who's kitchen rules than a major environmental disaster
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 5, 2014 17:43:41 GMT 10
if any shop owners are watching this, it maybe a good idea to create a 3 day disaster kit with the local ses, and push sales of it at ses recruiting/fundraising drives (even donate a % of profit to them) a quality ses group will accept it with open arms and a huge smile just keep costs low, and no knives etc (think ecac centres or a cheap multi tool...)
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Post by shinester on Feb 5, 2014 21:22:50 GMT 10
We have a huge number of natural disasters in this country, so whilst it's not surprising it's pretty irresponsible.
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 5, 2014 21:30:04 GMT 10
got that right, a good tv advertising campaign (a good one) designed to inform sheeple, would be awesome...
we had heaps on speeding and DUI and both have had massive results, even the quit smoking campaigns have shown success, even the look up and live campaign is working, but the stigma of been prepared for a disaster.... depends on the ses and rural fire service that really do everything they can to inform the people with their limited budgets....
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Post by remnantprep on Feb 6, 2014 7:54:54 GMT 10
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Post by shinester on Feb 6, 2014 9:07:53 GMT 10
It's good info. Almost all of the domestic disasters have seen people needing supplies, having a little extra in the cupboard costs you a few bucks today but then over time, if you keep it stocked with things on special, you end up saving. A little bit of education and encouragement would help a great deal. Even 3 days, even having a weeks worth of water. I can't for the life of me figure out how people in cyclone prone regions don't have 'something' stored.
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Post by krisb on Apr 10, 2014 15:08:03 GMT 10
3. We moved out of Queensland for this very reason we were living in Narangba right where they decided to place a nuclear radiation food treatment plant.
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Post by sentinel on Apr 10, 2014 20:34:54 GMT 10
It's good info. Almost all of the domestic disasters have seen people needing supplies, having a little extra in the cupboard costs you a few bucks today but then over time, if you keep it stocked with things on special, you end up saving. A little bit of education and encouragement would help a great deal. Even 3 days, even having a weeks worth of water. I can't for the life of me figure out how people in cyclone prone regions don't have 'something' stored. Will jump in on this one now - I will possibly be quiet now as I will be getting readier for T/C Ita (she's uped the ante for getting ready up this way just read {unconfirmed post elsewhere that it will be a Cat-3 by the time it gets to Mackay - according to the JTWC and secondhand report on weatherzone forum}.
Yasi caught a lot of people out in Kirwan (sub of Townsville) for example, it was without power for 9 or 11 days post Yasi - forget which now. Another bloke up this way was off the mains grid for 20 days so he told me. Mind you after all this you would be surprised how many people who live in my street are in total darkness in a blackout situation at 7 or 8 pm at night - went out for a look last couple and I know who is home and who isn't as well - most importantly houses on solar were like beacons in the night - very attractive should we end up WROL situ.
Possible reason for these people not having stored supplies - that I think is simply the cost is a major factor and they may start with good intentions but when bills roll in they are forced to use stored supplies to live. It is costly living in the north. I see people with family convoys of trolleys in supermarkets when they get a hint of a T/C threat approaching. I reckon we will start seeing some people short term stocking up over this weekend now.
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Post by shinester on Apr 11, 2014 3:12:58 GMT 10
Yeah, living in that area what's the usual deal with people preparing for cyclones all of the time? Do people typically keep water and some food, or is it simply turn on the tap for the bath and run to the supermarket with all of the sheeple?
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Post by sentinel on Apr 11, 2014 4:48:20 GMT 10
From my ob's since we lived up here and went through our first T/C I would say most fall into the secondary category.
As I was raised in a high-bushfire region in NSW it made sense to me to be as ready and independent as possible as usually we had to help ourselves or our neighbours or they us. I think many became complacent up here as the big ones were few and far between - Yasi and the rise of social media has changed ther dynamics big time - one of the forums I follow on weather has a couple of real spot-on-forcasters (think they eat, breath weather)and during yasi they were 99.9% accurate with their predictions - but due to the 'panic' generated on sites such as F/B by the time you read a relevant post these 'experts' thousands of kms away had filled any where from 5 to 10 pages. It really "pi_ _ ed" me off that this potential useful tool was used for creating so much panic.
There was a fair crowd at woollies last night - I will go in today just to see what's moving off the shelves - I expect tomorrow to be a big day if things continue on track - the 04:05hr Track Map has it re-crossing almost midway between Cardwell and Townsville at approx. 04:00hrs April 13th.
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Post by sentinel on Apr 11, 2014 4:59:03 GMT 10
Yeah, living in that area what's the usual deal with people preparing for cyclones all of the time? Do people typically keep water and some food, or is it simply turn on the tap for the bath and run to the supermarket with all of the sheeple? For ourselves we pretty much do a walk-through and yard check (potential missiles from wind) and do a straighten up that pretty well lasts all season - overhanging branches, gutters, roof tech-screws, refill the primary water containers - have back-ups ready to fill at short notice, get empty jerrys down ready to fill, check batteries - change battery in radios - the basic stuff. And yes - we fill the tub, laundry tubs, buckets and anything else I can get my hands on as I can always filter any water needed for drinking later. (what blew me away is where we are we rely on 4 town reservoirs for more than 10k pop. My last loc we had 4 or 6 town reservoir's (forget exact number) to sup about 1,200 town pop and that town was on the Murrumbidgee River. (think I covered you question pretty well in last post).
Here it's pumped into town storage tanks from a distant supply!!!!! That just does not compute!!!!
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Post by krisb on Apr 11, 2014 7:26:36 GMT 10
My daughter has a friend whose mother, brothers and sisters have moved to the Cairns region( she has stayed here to finish her education), they have never been through a cyclone before and I immediately thought of them when I heard of Ita's approach. So I asked her what supplies her mother usually keeps the answer was no where near enough to get them through the week so she rang her mum and went through a little check list with her so she now has water, knows to fill any containers, has some spare batteries, torches a small radio, medication, some basic first aids and food that does not require power to heat etc. I have also got them to store some valuables and clothing in watertight containers. A lot of my Aunties, Uncles and cousins are up there but they now all know how to survive they grew up with cyclones so they are smart .......... I can guarantee one of my cousin's boat is already out of the water and travelling inland hundreds of miles to his "safe location" just like it did with yasi and he will probably be the only one with a boat again from his little town........
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Post by sentinel on Apr 11, 2014 8:01:54 GMT 10
I suggest they contact Cairns local council and get the tidal surge maps that show areas prone to flooding. That's a simple thing - but often the simple things are overlooked. The SES usually has an excellent Cyclone readiness booklet - they can often contain info for storm surge at risk areas.
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