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Post by remnantprep on Sept 28, 2018 23:01:03 GMT 10
Definition: The Hawthorne Effect.
The Hawthorne Effect (also referred to as the Observer Effect) is the alteration of behaviour by the subjects of a study due to their awareness of being observed.
Have you ever noticed that many Academics often try to make a subtle point at the beginning of their writing with a quote or a definition? I am not a professional Academic though, more of a ‘Pracademic’, so I’ll spare you any further babble and get to the point.
I did not write the recent news.com.au article, titled Aussie Preppers Show Us Their Kits. I was contacted months ago by the author of that article [her name is clearly identified on the article page] and asked to answer some questions in relation to my PhD thesis findings. I had no control over the format of the article at all and I do not endorse this kind of reporting on the Australian Survivalist Sub-Culture. In fact, in my thesis [p. 41], I make it a point to identify that every media article ever written about Australian Survivalists comes across as a stand-alone entertainment piece, appearing to be focused only on maintaining marketable Survivalist stereotypes. The only difference between this latest article and all the other sensationalised ‘reporting’ in the past is that this one has someone with a PhD [that has actually bothered to take a rational look at some of the Sub-Culture’s members] saying that Australian Survivalists are people legitimately reacting to, and preparing for, valid human-made or naturally occurring potential threats.
My thesis, titled Charting The Path Of Radicalisation In The Australian Survivalist Sub-Culture, explored Survivalist ‘radicalisation’ as a behavioural and ideological development process - not a definite movement towards violence [that’s the incorrectly used media ‘version’ of the term]. My dissertation also includes other terms that could be misconstrued by those not willing to read the full explanations / discussion within the work. The label ‘Militant Survivalist’ is a term in the literal sense that identifies Survivalists that openly ‘advocate’ [promote / support / are open to] the use of violence against perceived threats, but it does not necessarily mean someone that has or will engage in acts of real physical violence in our current social circumstances. Contrary to what has been presented in the media in the past, my thesis supports one great, overarching research finding: the Australian Survivalist behavioural and ideological experience does not include a development stage that involves the perpetration of violent [extremist] acts. That is, while Australian Survivalists are found to be engaging in the activities and thought processes of their current Survivalist life-style [reflected in the identified development pathway, pp 128-140], it is unlikely that they will become a violent extremist risk. In the end, the research supports that Australian Survivalists do not desire to actively contribute to the destruction of the social systems in which we live, but more so to live beyond such catastrophic events should they occur.
Having said that though, any half-decent Security Studies researcher would be stupid not to consider the possibility of some Australian Survivalists [at some point in the future] succumbing to influences that may see them become isolated from the development path of the Sub-Culture and potentially result in them engaging in violent acts. A point that could be better argued against if it wasn’t for the incident involving Nick Newman in January this year. Unfortunately, when you are part of a sub-culture, you live and die by the actions of all its members, not just your own. While I’m on that point, look up Christopher Hardy; some open threats against a politician, a number of prep books / survival documents and knives at home [do these things sound familiar?] and suddenly he’s in gaol for a year.
Anyway, I won’t keep going on. My PhD was written to contribute to an academic debate only [that’s the sole purpose of them] but as a by-product it can also be used to support / validate the Australian Survivalist life-style choice. I know that is probably of no value to you as Survivalist individuals but it may be of benefit to you as a Survivalist collective, if and when it comes time to defend your life-style choice.
If you wish to contact me about any of this please PM me.
SH.
PS. One of the greatest days for me recently was when frostbite called me a “latte sipping vegan metro intellectual.” I’m Ex-2nd/4th Battalion [infantry] mate and that just cost you a beer. 
Welcome SH, Thank you so much for commenting on our discussion here and welcome to the forum. There are a couple of points in your post that I would like to comment about (I am doing this late so it is just some quick thoughts). You stated "Having said that though, any half-decent Security Studies researcher would be stupid not to consider the possibility of some Australian Survivalists [at some point in the future] succumbing to influences that may see them become isolated from the development path of the Sub-Culture and potentially result in them engaging in violent acts." Yes this is true of any sub-culture that goes against the norm of society, there is always a few that may follow a more violent path. As the preparedness community in Australia is fairly small compared to say the US we are often very much aware of those who may be trouble makers. Here on this forum we are fairly quick to identify them and to deal with them in a manner that is appropriate for this forum. The other point is that while we can be somewhat standoffish with those outside our "sub-culture" especially those in "Security Studies" you may find that we do honour anyone serving this country, wether that be the military or emergency services such as the police etc. Many of us you will find will not be a burden on those emergency services in times of disaster because we are prepared. While I have not read through your whole thesis and I can't really comment fully, these are just a couple of points I picked up on in the comments you made above. I do thank you on behalf of the forum for reaching out like this. Maybe hang around a bit and get to know us well and then you can buy us all a beer, well Ill have red wine pls!  |
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Post by Peter on Sept 28, 2018 23:45:58 GMT 10
Red wine? Any chance of some decent cheese with that? Gorgonzola works for me...
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Post by spatial on Sept 29, 2018 11:14:02 GMT 10
Definition: The Hawthorne Effect.
Anyway, I won’t keep going on. My PhD was written to contribute to an academic debate only [that’s the sole purpose of them] but as a by-product it can also be used to support / validate the Australian Survivalist life-style choice. I know that is probably of no value to you as Survivalist individuals but it may be of benefit to you as a Survivalist collective, if and when it comes time to defend your life-style choice.
To me it is not that much of a lifestyle choice it is just a choice to get insurance against disaster. Most people take out insurance on vehicles medical or unemployment etc. Does that mean they are wanting a medical disaster or unemployment - is it not because they fear it - one can say prepper fear catastrophic events but then take action to prepare so the fear is dealt with. So I have a few years storage and veg garden a hunting knife a few machetes, axes and other gear, a shooters licence, maybe up- to $20k in goods - that is basically my prepping done, and I live like any other citizen, except I spent some time each day reading news scanning prepper forums, watch a youtube vid every now and again on gear and survival strategy. I suppose there is a sub culture within the so called prepper community that have a constant fixation on prepping and going out practising survival skills. Yeah I do watch end of world movies, but that is a very popular genera as hollywood keeps bringing them out and they are not made for so called survivalist or preppers. |
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Post by spatial on Sept 29, 2018 11:37:15 GMT 10
I just read the news.com.au article,those guys are lightweight when it come to equipment and stored food. I will prob get arrest if I had to post pic of all my bladed tools.
I have no issue with articles like that - it might just inspire others to prep as well. May might just need a little nudge and some guidance to start getting more prepared, as the saying goes any publicity is good publicity.
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Post by Jackosaur on Sept 29, 2018 14:24:44 GMT 10
heisenberg you are trying to downplay that you chose the word radicalisation, a word normally only used in reference to terrorists. There are plenty of other words you could have chosen but you chose one that suits your biases. You also say from the outset that survivalists are anti-social and anti-government. Really? I've never seen any anti-government posts on here. All those anti-government rebel survivalists must use a forum only you know about. Unless of course you're referring to the preppers who tend to give media interviews (which 99% of the ones I've seen definitely have some form of autism) Only then you might see some suspicious and untrusting attitudes in relation to everything. Most sane of mind preppers I don't think would be interested in interviews. So you're basing your research on a tiny percentage of the prepper community who are autistic. Why are you using mentally challenged people as evidence for your 'research'  ? You give the impression that preppers are radicalised and preparing to launch a coup. P.S Whats the bet you're probably a 'stolen valour' claimer too, claiming to be ex-military. LOL |
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Post by paranoia on Sept 29, 2018 22:22:17 GMT 10
heisenberg you are trying to downplay that you chose the word radicalisation, a word normally only used in reference to terrorists. There are plenty of other words you could have chosen but you chose one that suits your biases. You also say from the outset that survivalists are anti-social and anti-government. Really? I've never seen any anti-government posts on here. All those anti-government rebel survivalists must use a forum only you know about. Unless of course you're referring to the preppers who tend to give media interviews (which 99% of the ones I've seen definitely have some form of autism) Only then you might see some suspicious and untrusting attitudes in relation to everything. Most sane of mind preppers I don't think would be interested in interviews. So you're basing your research on a tiny percentage of the prepper community who are autistic. Why are you using mentally challenged people as evidence for your 'research' ? You give the impression that preppers are radicalised and preparing to launch a coup. P.S Whats the bet you're probably a 'stolen valour' claimer too, claiming to be ex-military. LOL A few quick points. Please understand that words are used very differently in academic papers and latching onto the way the general populace, the media and politicians use a word and claiming this indicates bias is not a fair point to make. SH very clearly in his paper (now I'm only about 1/4 of the way through but I'm sure this point wont change) says he is referring to a small subset of the survivalist community that exhibit these behaviors. You'll also not see the anti-social, anti-government posts on this forum because we delete them. We can't brush it under the rug, there do exist a number of extreme people in the preparedness community and understanding, with an eye to effectively being able to weed these out, is the only way that the mainstream will begin to accept that it isn't just the crazies who prepare. I will also ask you to take back your comments on stolen valor. Is quite a serious accusation and not appropriate without evidence. |
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Post by heisenberg on Sept 29, 2018 22:32:10 GMT 10
Well, where do I begin here?
jackosaur, I didn’t write a simple 500-word book report mate. There’s an entire global field of study devoted to Radicalisation Theory. I examined the reported behaviours, thought processes and development pathway of Australian Survivalists to contribute to a larger academic debate regarding non-violent radicalisation. I don’t know what other words you are referring to but it’s a bit hard to complete a 90,000-word PhD on Radicalisation Theory without using the term Radicalisation.
Regarding the term ‘Radicalisation’: Though there is no one stop, everybody agrees, silver bullet definition regarding that word, what academia and the national security industry can agree on is that Radicalisation is a ‘process’ - often a behavioural and ideological process – but that’s as good as it gets. Your statement about it being, “a word normally only used in reference to terrorists”, is an understanding which has largely been media-driven over the years, and though you are not wrong, it’s still a pretty limited understanding of the issue.
I really think you are missing the point. Whether a Survivalist is anti-social, anti-government, anti-latte sipping vegan metro intellectual, it’s irrelevant! My research supports the position that regardless of the unique behaviours and way of thinking of Australian Survivalists, as long as they are engaging in the activities and thought processes of their current Survivalist life-style [reflected in the identified development pathway], it is unlikely that they will become a violent extremist risk. That may be a nice little fun fact for you to pull out the next time someone says that you are all dangerous psychos. I said as much to the reporter that wrote the recent media article [because that’s what the research supports] and she quoted me. To be clear, that’s a good thing for you.
Lastly, in my experience, when someone questions the military service of another, it is usually because they are ashamed that they don’t have some of their own. The 2nd / 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (2/4 RAR) has an Association website. It has a Nominal Role of Ex-Serving members and some of the Company photos from days gone by - I am in both [named in the Nominal Role (Reg. # 237414) and pictured and named in one of the photos - Alpha Company].
I’m pretty sure your comment regarding my [four years of] service is not what remnantprep was talking about when she posted [above] “ . . . you may find that we do honour anyone serving this country, whether that be the military or emergency services . . .”
Next time you’re feeling saucy, PM me.
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Post by Jackosaur on Sept 29, 2018 23:44:56 GMT 10
I was half joking about the stolen valour, but if you are that's a pretty realistic backstory! good enough for my liking. Personally my experience is limited, I was in a unit called Fox Hound and I fought a giant robot and my codename is Solid Snake.  But enough about me, being serious now, what I legitimately would still like to know though is where you found the anti-government preppers to study because I've never seen any that are sane of mind and genuine anti-government Australian preppers. I'm sure there are some, but I'm curious how you found and studied them and that there is enough of them to worth mentioning. Because as I mentioned I've never seen evidence of them myself, so all I can think of is either A: you have a way of discovering them, which is what I'm asking, or B: you're counting autism spectrum people with strange beliefs such as in the attached video. Are these the types of people you are refering to in saying there is a group of anti-government in the Australian prepper community? I don't have a problem if these odd people are the people you used as your evidence, but I think it would be more fair in your paper if you mention the anti-government preppers likely have a disability. |
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Post by norseman on Sept 30, 2018 7:21:07 GMT 10
What is wrong with being "Anti-Government"? Time and time again many Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Authorities such as Police have proven to be self-serving, often corrupt, tax-payer funded criminals! Has anyone had a hard look at our Federal Parliament and what is happening there lately? Has anyone taken any notice of the former politicians that are now in Prison for corruption? Hasn't anyone noticed how Politicians and Public Servants give their mates and bed partners cushy jobs one after the other? Doesn't anyone remember the NSW Royal Commission into Police Corruption and it's findings of entrenched criminal behaviour? Has no person here experienced incompetence and injustice when dealing with Local, State and Federal Government Departments and their Public Servant representatives? Isn't anyone sick of the complacent, negligent and often non-existent representation from their Local Members? It's almost like the citizens these people are supposed to be representing are treated more like the enemy! How come a lot of journalists and powerful media personalities are drinking mates, friends with or married to Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Police, aren't there conflict of interest issues with that? Isn't it any wonder that the average bloke on the street is starting to feel a little "Anti-Government" why in God's name would you trust any of them with your life and your future?
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Post by bce1 on Sept 30, 2018 7:42:32 GMT 10
SH.
Thanks for popping in.
As a medical academic I appreciate your comments about language and the difference between academic and common usage. But as the host of the austere medical course - which I have now delivered about a dozen times to a true mix of characters - I would like to take issue with where you have placed it on your steps.
It certainly isn’t ‘war based’ training and that certainly isn’t its focus - it’s a variation of a course I each to remote medics, yachtsmen and people working in the third world - not remotely war like. It would fit in at 6 or even 3 but not 7 and placing it at 7 does not reflect what is taught or the participants motivations for being there. You only needed to ask and I would have told you !!!
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Post by norseman on Sept 30, 2018 9:05:26 GMT 10
SH. Thanks for popping in. As a medical academic I appreciate your comments about language and the difference between academic and common usage. But as the host of the austere medical course - which I have now delivered about a dozen times to a true mix of characters - I would like to take issue with where you have placed it on your steps. It certainly isn’t ‘war based’ training and that certainly isn’t its focus - it’s a variation of a course I each to remote medics, yachtsmen and people working in the third world - not remotely war like. It would fit in at 6 or even 3 but not 7 and placing it at 7 does not reflect what is taught or the participants motivations for being there. You only needed to ask and I would have told you !!! BCE It's a fundamental and serious error in this man's work, he very much draws conclusions based on his assumptions and perception not on hard facts! I'm told he didn't undertake a single face to face interview with any of the three individuals he has incorrectly labelled as "Militant Survivalists". He then allegedly used their individual forum posts mostly out of context to present as case studies / examples! How does this work and how does it feel that a Thesis which is potentially the pinnacle of your academic careers' written work could be based on self-created fiction? |
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Post by Joey on Sept 30, 2018 9:32:00 GMT 10
What is wrong with being "Anti-Government"? Time and time again many Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Authorities such as Police have proven to be self-serving, often corrupt, tax-payer funded criminals! Has anyone had a hard look at our Federal Parliament and what is happening there lately? Has anyone taken any notice of the former politicians that are now in Prison for corruption? Hasn't anyone noticed how Politicians and Public Servants give their mates and bed partners cushy jobs one after the other? Doesn't anyone remember the NSW Royal Commission into Police Corruption and it's findings of entrenched criminal behaviour? Has no person here experienced incompetence and injustice when dealing with Local, State and Federal Government Departments and their Public Servant representatives? Isn't anyone sick of the complacent, negligent and often non-existent representation from their Local Members? It's almost like the citizens these people are supposed to be representing are treated more like the enemy! How come a lot of journalists and powerful media personalities are drinking mates, friends with or married to Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Police, aren't there conflict of interest issues with that? Isn't it any wonder that the average bloke on the street is starting to feel a little "Anti-Government" why in God's name would you trust any of them with your life and your future? There's a difference between being anti government(general grumblings of how useless self serving and corrupt the government is), anti social (anarchist style) and to the point of forming militia groups to "fight the government dogs". Everybody should be sceptical of the government, otherwise how will the people keep the politicians accountable? Unfortuantly the only way we can "overthrow" our government is at the poll booth because as a LAFO I've written many emails to MPs in regards to bullshit overzealous firearm laws and they will ALWAYS follow the party line when the time comes to vote in the chambers no matter what they promise you in person. |
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Post by norseman on Sept 30, 2018 10:23:27 GMT 10
What is wrong with being "Anti-Government"? Time and time again many Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Authorities such as Police have proven to be self-serving, often corrupt, tax-payer funded criminals! Has anyone had a hard look at our Federal Parliament and what is happening there lately? Has anyone taken any notice of the former politicians that are now in Prison for corruption? Hasn't anyone noticed how Politicians and Public Servants give their mates and bed partners cushy jobs one after the other? Doesn't anyone remember the NSW Royal Commission into Police Corruption and it's findings of entrenched criminal behaviour? Has no person here experienced incompetence and injustice when dealing with Local, State and Federal Government Departments and their Public Servant representatives? Isn't anyone sick of the complacent, negligent and often non-existent representation from their Local Members? It's almost like the citizens these people are supposed to be representing are treated more like the enemy! How come a lot of journalists and powerful media personalities are drinking mates, friends with or married to Politicians, Senior Public Servants and Police, aren't there conflict of interest issues with that? Isn't it any wonder that the average bloke on the street is starting to feel a little "Anti-Government" why in God's name would you trust any of them with your life and your future? There's a difference between being anti government(general grumblings of how useless self serving and corrupt the government is), anti social (anarchist style) and to the point of forming militia groups to "fight the government dogs". Everybody should be sceptical of the government, otherwise how will the people keep the politicians accountable? Unfortuantly the only way we can "overthrow" our government is at the poll booth because as a LAFO I've written many emails to MPs in regards to bullshit overzealous firearm laws and they will ALWAYS follow the party line when the time comes to vote in the chambers no matter what they promise you in person. Joey I think we are both saying the same thing here I don't need convincing, it's our resident "academic" who is drawing a very long bow with all this! I'd never heard of a "Militant Survivalist" until this bloke invented the term for the sake of his study. Nobody I know would waste their time creating a militia to fight the Government, just in case you haven't noticed they do an awesome job of totally defeating themselves without needing help from any Survivalists or imaginary militia! The unfortunate side to all of this is that the only real casualty is the average battler trying to live out his life despite the eternal interference from Government and their Public Servants. |
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Post by feralemma on Sept 30, 2018 17:56:14 GMT 10
Right so I just wasted several hours of my Sunday reading through that thesis. Which could have been summarised into less than 20 pages without all the repetitive fluff used to fill it out.
The main point that I took from it was that boy scouts could almost be considered militant survivalists according to the little progression chart that all survivalists in Australia apparently follow. If this is used as a basis for police action then I think the author should be held accountable for any excessive reaction taken against a survivalist or prepper. Lol although according to his thesis a prepper is someone who has all the gear and no idea, without even the ability to light a fire or the knowledge to kick someone in the nuts in self-defence. And for the love of god don't you dare enjoy hunting, fishing or camping with your mates.....that'll put you in the militant category with the scouts!
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Post by heisenberg on Sept 30, 2018 19:18:11 GMT 10
SH. Thanks for popping in. As a medical academic I appreciate your comments about language and the difference between academic and common usage. But as the host of the austere medical course - which I have now delivered about a dozen times to a true mix of characters - I would like to take issue with where you have placed it on your steps. It certainly isn’t ‘war based’ training and that certainly isn’t its focus - it’s a variation of a course I each to remote medics, yachtsmen and people working in the third world - not remotely war like. It would fit in at 6 or even 3 but not 7 and placing it at 7 does not reflect what is taught or the participants motivations for being there. You only needed to ask and I would have told you !!! BCE It's a fundamental and serious error in this man's work, he very much draws conclusions based on his assumptions and perception not on hard facts! I'm told he didn't undertake a single face to face interview with any of the three individuals he has incorrectly labelled as "Militant Survivalists". He then allegedly used their individual forum posts mostly out of context to present as case studies / examples! How does this work and how does it feel that a Thesis which is potentially the pinnacle of your academic careers' written work could be based on self-created fiction?
norseman, the first time I spoke to an Australian Survivalist, one on one, and discussed his beliefs and practices was in 1989. Since that time [nearly 30 years], I have had hundreds of direct conversations with numerous Survivalists from all walks of life. This ain’t my first rodeo!
While I was able to draw upon those 30 years of direct experiences with Survivalists and having access to people who could have directly provided more background than I actually needed, conducting interviews with Survivalist sample subjects was deemed too risky, in terms of obtaining academically accepted ‘unbiased’ data. The methodology I did employ to obtain the data I needed to write my thesis is clearly spelled out in Chapter 3 of the work [pp. 85-113], as are all of the reasons for what I did and did not do. bce1 is your real resident academic, and if you are not keen to read my work in full, I’m sure he would be able to explain to you the academic preference for ‘Unobtrusive’ research methods. In the end, I had to do it the way I did to, [1] have the research undertaking initially accepted by the university, [2] have the thesis approved for the award of the degree, by three international assessors, and [3] to be able to put the Australian Survivalist Sub-Culture subject on the mainstream table and talk about it from a position of socially accepted authority. The thesis [including the methodology] was assessed by three senior academics [who work in the field of security studies] from three different continents [North America, Europe (UK) and Australia] and the degree was awarded, after what amounted to a nine-month process of review; that doesn’t really happen for a work based on ‘self-created fiction’. Also, a PhD dissertation begins an Academic’s career, it’s not the pinnacle of it. It’s the work that comes after the PhD dissertation that is far more important.
I appreciate your position but I really don’t have time to repeat the points I have made in previous posts. Please read my earlier content regarding the use of terms such as ‘Militant Survivalists’. My dissertation is an academic work mate and nothing in it comes with a simple explanation. Read it all or don’t read it all; it’s certainly not worth getting worked up by cherry-picking some of its concepts and terms. In its entirety, my research supports the position that as long as Australian Survivalists are engaging in the activities and thought processes of their current Survivalist life-style [reflected in the identified development pathway], it is unlikely that they will become a violent extremist risk. Good news for all Australian Survivalists, in terms of changing public perception, unless of course you enjoy being thought of as a rebel?
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Post by norseman on Oct 1, 2018 5:59:27 GMT 10
It's a fundamental and serious error in this man's work, he very much draws conclusions based on his assumptions and perception not on hard facts! I'm told he didn't undertake a single face to face interview with any of the three individuals he has incorrectly labelled as "Militant Survivalists". He then allegedly used their individual forum posts mostly out of context to present as case studies / examples! How does this work and how does it feel that a Thesis which is potentially the pinnacle of your academic careers' written work could be based on self-created fiction?
Also, a PhD dissertation begins an Academic’s career, it’s not the pinnacle of it. It’s the work that comes after the PhD dissertation that is far more important.
SH.
No it is another rung on the ladder you can use to climb further toward various highly paid Government Positions or research funding (taxpayer provided), when that is achieved you won't be required to undertake much work written or otherwise of any practical value to the common man.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 1, 2018 9:34:24 GMT 10
Firstly: Well done SH on achieving your PhD. No matter the topic they are a big challenge.
I guess we should see PhD's in their correct perspective.
I know many people with PhD's. I am familiar with a couple of those PhD Thesises (Thesi?)
One involved the researcher killing thousands of Painted Dragon lizards, cutting them open and weighing their gonads. He was investigating some relationship between lizard gonad size and the size of their home ranges.
Apart from the Lizard population in his study area heaving a collective sigh of relief when his 'research' was over ... nothing changed for the lizards or anyone else for that matter. His particular thesis was never used to make any management decisions for the species and perhaps it never even supported any other researchers line of enquiry into reptilian biology/ecology.
Other Thesi I know of involve the relationship between soil organic carbon accumulation and soil texture in non-wetting sands ... and ... The Reproductive Biology of Black Cockatoos as it relates to their reliance on invasive plant species.
Many (Most?) PhD's are on obscure topics and amount to very little of subsequent consequence.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 1, 2018 19:12:26 GMT 10
Welcome Dr Henry. Thankyou for touching base here, saving me the time and effort trying to locate you on facebook, linkedin, the uni website etc.
Sorry for the delay in responding, I've spent the long weekend doing Radical Militant Survival stuff at one of my rural retreats.
Thankyou for the honour of being Case Study 1 in your Phd thesis. It gave me a good laugh. You draw a very, very long bow. The posts of mine that you used to justify your conclusions simply didn't justify them. That made your thesis seem trivial.
You didn't even use any of the pure gold posts of mine, look those where I tore the wannabe Nazi a new butthole. And I strongly suggest that you elevate my good mate, Case Study 2, to Case Study 1. He is far more radicalised and militant than I am.
I don't apologise for calling you a latte sipping vegan metro, although I don't recall calling you that. I must have been in a good mood.
2/4 RAR huh? That battalion is a bit light on in battle honours, so how about you take me on in the rat pack challenge? Loser buys the beers, although I prefer fine whisky and a cuban myself.
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Post by Peter on Oct 1, 2018 19:35:13 GMT 10
That's the sound of a gauntlet being thrown, people  |
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Post by heisenberg on Oct 2, 2018 0:38:38 GMT 10
frostbite, thank god you are here. I have been waiting for ages.
I like challenges. I have one for you too. PM sent.
Now, what’s this rat pack challenge I hear tell about?
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